76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2

M2J · Post #1541 » by **M2J** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:31 am

This team fits with Joel back in. Again I trust Morey will ONLY bring back guys at market or below market value.

Then you have a quality and deep team. Maxey is so much better than what many of you are giving him credit for, But he does need players around him better capable of taking advantage of the benefits he brings to any team with his shooting and movement, range and speed, and efficiency.

Tobias needs to be better, but he's easily squashed by quality teams. 20 ish million for him or a short deal. makes him a tradable asset at next year's deadline where they can do better than Paul freaking George

Post #1542 » by **Foshan** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:57 am

I haven't taken the time yet to think through offseason possibilities in much detail... but looking at the free agent class (or lack there of) i don't imagine that Harris get's a reasonable contract. I think DET offers him too much money. So if that happens, i would hope we could work a S&T to end up with a TPE, that we could flip at the next trade deadline. ideally we have signed Buddy to around that 20m number... I'd take Batum back on a market value deal (little more than vet min money?). yeah... it's gonna be a weird off-season, there is not much out there worth going after, unless someone shakes free for financial/drama reasons.

sixerswillrule · Post #1543 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:16 pm

I agree that it's time to move on from Harris.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1544 » by **Jailblazers7** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:10 pm

The most important part of this offseason is that we finally have a clean cap sheet. No bad contracts & we’ve recovered our assets after years of depletion.

I don’t expect everything to get solved in the summer but we can finally have a solid foundation to build a team that is cohesive & all on reasonable contracts.

I fully expect Morey show Tobias the door. His biggest value is team chemistry, which Morey famously discounts, and his statistical profile is as anti-Morey as it gets. The reason we kept him so long is because his contract & value were so mismatched that it made it hard to find a deal. He was still good enough that a salary dump move didn’t make sense but he wasn’t good enough to warrant another team wanting him for $35M.

brannigan73 · Post #1545 » by **brannigan73** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:23 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:The most important part of this offseason is that we finally have a clean cap sheet. No bad contracts & we’ve recovered our assets after years of depletion.

I don’t expect everything to get solved in the summer but we can finally have a solid foundation to build a team that is cohesive & all on reasonable contracts.

I fully expect Morey show Tobias the door. His biggest value is team chemistry, which Morey famously discounts, and his statistical profile is as anti-Morey as it gets. The reason we kept him so long is because his contract & value were so mismatched that it made it hard to find a deal. He was still good enough that a salary dump move didn’t make sense but he wasn’t good enough to warrant another team wanting him for $35M.

You don't expect it to be done this summer? Then when exactly Embiid is injury prone and turning 30. The Sixers are going to use that cap space this off-season and it's not going to be one year deals. It's 100 percent about this off-season. Morey is looking to add another star how many times is he going to have to say it before you believe it. The time is now for an Embiid led team or trade him.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1546 » by **Jailblazers7** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:18 pm

brannigan73 wrote:You don't expect it to be done this summer? Then when exactly Embiid is injury prone and turning 30. The Sixers are going to use that cap space this off-season and it's not going to be one year deals. It's 100 percent about this off-season. Morey is looking to add another star how many times is he going to have to say it before you believe it. The time is now for an Embiid led team or trade him.

What star is available? Unless Paul George decides he wants to leave LA (not gonna happen) then what are our options? Pay the corpse of Klay Thompson too much to come here? Sign Demar Derozan?

There are no shortcuts to building a championship team & this organization has learned that the hard way. I expect us to get good players on fair contracts but I definitely don’t expect us to magically get a 3rd star.

mithrandir17 · Post #1547 » by **mithrandir17** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:51 am

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TheBallsDeeper · Post #1548 » by **TheBallsDeeper** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:12 am

(Posted in gameday thread - probably more appropriate here)

Take out Embiid Philly just has a terrible Roster - it's right down there with the Wizards. I can't think of many teams in a worse position.

They were lucky early this year to have one of the all-time great players cover up their faults.

Philly missed a chance to blow it up at the deadline. Maxey's value was as high as it will ever be and Sixers could have found a sucker to throw a heap of players and picks at them. But they missed out.

Embiid will never be able to carry the team to a championship - his body isn't made for it. With his knee injury he will not be able to get fit and the decline will be fast.

So many on here think Maxey - a tiny one-dimensional shooting guard - is going to lead the team to a ring. With him being targeted on defense and lack of playmaking, without Embiid he is pretty much a negative on the court over a season/playoff run.

Outside of that - what are the positives of this roster or future??
Overpay a B-grade free agent next year? What assets do they have to build with?
They will probably have a lottery pick this year with the way they are sliding out of the playoffs, but after going through the process I imagine the ownership just wants to stay a treadmill team to keep revenue up - that's what private equity groups care about.

I'll get roasted for this - because it seems there is such a lack of awareness by Philly fans - but Philly is further away from a ring than they have been in 20 years.

elchengue20 · Post #1549 » by **elchengue20** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:36 am

"Embiid will never be able to carry the team to a championship - his body isn't made for it. With his knee injury he will not be able to get fit and the decline will be fast."

I called this a year ago at least, and people killed me here.

He's not going to be an MVP calibeer player in 2/3 years at most. At least not one who can play 60 games and be healthy in the Playoffs. It's even a longshot right now, and it won't get better.

The window to build a championship around Embiid is short. People act like you have a 5-6 year window when it really is a 2-3 year at best.

Or we go all in hard soon, or its better to trade him now while he has huge value and rebuild.

eyeatoma · Post #1550 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:01 pm

Bruh just stop with this trade Embiid and Maxey bs. We lose them and we're in pergatory for 20 years.

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Post #1551 » by **Stanford** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pm

Hey the losers are out doubting Maxey again

Mik317 · Post #1552 » by **Mik317** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:23 pm

the answer people come up with being "trade the only good players" is emblematic of this fanbase lol.

Right now one of our top 5 players is an undrafted rookie more than likely.

This idea that if you don't trade Maxey right now its the end of the world is crazy,..not to mention his current contract means he isn't even able to bring back much anyway lol.

People are so desperate to get ahead of the curve and look smart for calling things when they were the same people who probably would have traded Maxey for Lowry years back or like me traded Biid for Scoot...because of current day sadness lol. Maxey is an all star level player who has improved each season of his career. I don't know if he can be THE GUY or not, doubt it actually, but a guy who can in the right setting win you a playoff game (he's done this) AND also play off ball and has shooting gravity and again has improved each year is a nice piece to have. Not trading that just because he can't single handedly beat the best team in the league at 23. Biid is an injury prone big man....yes he has a shorter prime than most....and yes he has his playoff demons and may not be able to physically or mentally carry the team... he is still a MVP level talent who has carried what is a lottery team to 50 wins a season. Again not exactly easy to get, no matter how many picks you get for him (which I doubt teams would give up because they would wonder if he is damaged goods or not). You get good players. You keep good players and try to add good players to them to cover up for any flaws they may have or at the very least make it so they don't NEED to put up Wilt numbers to just stay afloat...so the times they do...its an easy win. I don't get how this is difficult thing for some to grasp. If Maxey stagnates and hits a wall...he is still easily tradable due to his off ball ability.... especially next to big ballhanders like Luka for example...if Dallas is desperate to keep Luka, getting a hometown Kid would be a great thing. I don't fear Biid's fall off, if he Brandon Roy's his way out...so be it. I'm not worried about "getting value" for him while we can or whatever...its not my money and I don't think anyone would give up as much as people think anyway so why not keep trying with him. You don't trade talent like Biid, injuries or not, unless they ask to be...has not happened ever.

I am a chronic worrywart but some of yall make me seem zen as **** rn.

elchengue20 · Post #1553 » by **elchengue20** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:28 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Bruh just stop with this trade Embiid and Maxey bs. We lose them and we're in pergatory for 20 years.

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I never sayed to trade Maxey. But Embiid isn't out of question IMO.

And if we keep him we need to trade our all our assets this offseason or at most at next deadline. Makes no sense to play the long game with Embiid. I rather just trade him and rebuild around Maxey.

eyeatoma · Post #1554 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:57 pm

elchengue20 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Bruh just stop with this trade Embiid and Maxey bs. We lose them and we're in pergatory for 20 years.

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I never sayed to trade Maxey. But Embiid isn't out of question IMO.

And if we keep him we need to trade our all our assets this offseason or at most at next deadline. Makes no sense to play the long game with Embiid. I rather just trade him and rebuild around Maxey.

Or just do that later...

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elchengue20 · Post #1555 » by **elchengue20** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:27 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Bruh just stop with this trade Embiid and Maxey bs. We lose them and we're in pergatory for 20 years.

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I never sayed to trade Maxey. But Embiid isn't out of question IMO.

And if we keep him we need to trade our all our assets this offseason or at most at next deadline. Makes no sense to play the long game with Embiid. I rather just trade him and rebuild around Maxey.
Or just do that later...

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Yeah sure, when he's 33 playing on one knee, has a toxic contract and nearly no value. And we only have 2nd rounds exits to show for it.

If we want to win with Biid we have to go all in now, we can't wait much more. Makes no sense.

I'm not saying just go desesperate mode this off-season, but also it makes no sense to wait much longer. We need to make a major move next season before the deadline if we keep him. Or 2 or 3 minor but significant moves.

seventy6ers · Post #1556 » by **seventy6ers** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:27 pm

Instead of the trade Embiid nonsense, how about find some suitable players, none of which are named Tobias Harris. This summer will really be telling for Morey because he has banked everything on it.

the_process · Post #1557 » by **the_process** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:09 pm

seventy6ers wrote:Instead of the trade Embiid nonsense, how about find some suitable players, none of which are named Tobias Harris. This summer will really be telling for Morey because he has banked everything on it.

After Maxey gets paid the Sixers do not have another path to significant cap room until Embbid’s contract expires. So it’s now or never.

I also see the team is putting a little pressure on Jo, saying they “hope” to have him back late March. Rushing him back to a play-in team is foolish, but it’s not my job and reputation on the line I suppose.

GoSixersBro · Here Lies The Process May 13, 2013 - April 6, 2016

Turning on Maxey after his amazing progression into Year 4 is wild.

Hard to remember, but I hope Ben got this treatment when he was literally regressing by Year 4.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1559 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:07 pm

Morey's biggest mistake is never shipping out Tobias. This was the year to send out his expiring for something, even if it was longer-term money.

And guess what?

Spoiler:

sixerguy · Post #1560 » by **sixerguy** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:53 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Morey's biggest mistake is never shipping out Tobias. This was the year to send out his expiring for something, even if it was longer-term money.

And guess what?
Spoiler:
No big name is coming here in free agency.

No chance of doing a sign and trade of some combination of Tobias, Melton, Hield, and a 1st for a big name?