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Desertfox wrote:

Silly me, you are exactly right. Nash was 30, Dragic? 32. Nash didn't pi$$ on our team on the way out after his previous stint with the Suns, Dragic did. Nash turned out to be a 2x NBA MVP, and had already been an All-star twice. Dragic was an injury replacement substitute into the All-Star game, and will never SNIFF an MVP of a team in his future, let alone, the entire NBA...

But yeah, you're right...exactly the same scenario...they were/are both technically 30+ and play PG. I hope Koko builds are team that way...by past history success of players that are close in age and play the same position. CHAMPIONSHIP!!

Let's go look for a 29 YO PF...doesn't matter who...he'll be the next Charles Barkley, right? Jon Leuer, anyone?? Patrick Patterson?? the Morri??--Round 2?? I'm so excited. we can finally solve our PF problems by signing a 29 YO PF, it worked for us back in 1992, why wouldn't it now!?!?

Dragic should have been an All-Star in 2014, he ended up as second-team All NBA that year. He also lead Slovenia to a championship just last year, under Kokoskov. And the position where you want a veteran leader is at PG, especially one who already knows the system being played. I'm not expecting 62 wins, 7 seconds or less Suns, but more like mid 40's wins, help the young players transition, and give the young PGs time to develop.

Cool...so we are playing woulda, coulda, shoulda...Nash 'shoulda' been an All Star in 2001 and 2004, and then again in 2009, when he hit...again..the 50-40-90 club.

And then, you are going to bring up what Dragic did...in a different league...with different players...against weaker competition...so that means he should come play for the Suns?? Because he fits so well with our rebuild, right? What do you want to pay him? Should we drown ourselves in yet another crap contract for an older player, that we may get 2-3 servicable years out of...so long as we do everything Dragic wants us to do...let him play whatever position he wants to play...only bring in FA/trades that he wants to bring in?

Sorry, I, for one, am tired of the 'Dra-gic-ma' that comes along with his non-All-Star-level play.

He would come in, and be the 4th most productive player on the team, and I'd argue, the 4th best player, talent-wise, as well. That's not what we need to bring in at age 32; if we bring in a 32YO, he better be a LeBron-level talent. Dragic, quite plainly, is already regressing, and he's 32; we tried that experiment with Chandler; didn't work, so long as we are making pointless comparisons.

41.6% FG% ?? 32.3% 3pt% ?? 4.7 APG ?? And a crybaby when he doesn't get his way, to boot?? Yeah, no thanks. But hey, let's continue to bring up bringing in Dragic every other page on these threads, because he played for us once...oh, and be cause he played for Koko in Euro-league...yay...how about we just go out and sign the entire Slovenian team, yeah?? They all played for Koko, too! At least they are likely to better fit our rebuild, age-wise, and won't cry to mommy when they don't get to play the position that they want to play.

Sorry, this is Booker's team now, and I'd argue, Warren's and Ayton's, as well--Dragic comes in, he's not the 'man', and he won't be able to handle that; he's already proven that, since we are taking past experiences as gospel.

So, I'll beat that dead horse, one more time--can we please, PLEASE, stop entertaining any possibility that Dragic is coming back to the Suns to play PG for us; can we please talk about more realistic options, like Stephen Curry coming over in a trade for Bender and Anderson...

No real use in talking about Dragic. I thought we would have pursued him this summer with the Koko connection, but having seen him play this year, I'm glad we didn't. He's pretty banged up likely from playing overseas in the summers. He's shooting the worst he's ever had since his rookie year. He would just be another washed up veteran coming to our team.

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gaspar wrote:

lilfishi22 wrote:Couldn't think of a worse player for this looker room than Dwight

John Wall.

The Morris brothers are gonna beat your ass for not including them on this list.

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Indi might be willing to move Joseph with Holliday starting to get run. I'd offer Bender or Daniels although I'm not sure they would bite. Or offer ariza for Joseph, oquinns contract and ask for TJ leaf as a sweetener. I realize Indi has bogdonovic and mcbuckets at the 3 but I still think ariza would help them.

Joseph isn't a long term answer and that's why I wouldn't offer anything of significance but he would be an actual NBA level guard something they sorely lack.

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Indi might be willing to move Joseph with Holliday starting to get run. I'd offer Bender or Daniels although I'm not sure they would bite. Or offer ariza for Joseph, oquinns contract and ask for TJ leaf as a sweetener. I realize Indi has bogdonovic and mcbuckets at the 3 but I still think ariza would help them.

Joseph isn't a long term answer and that's why I wouldn't offer anything of significance but he would be an actual NBA level guard something they sorely lack.

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With the East the way it is - there are many teams that could use Trevor Ariza.

Philly - might be a slight upgrade over Wilson Chandler
Bucks - I doubt they do the deal somebody mentioned earlier of Henson/Brogdon for Ariza/Bucks pick
Indy - Collison or Joseph seem expendable but getting dollars to match might be tricky but a good idea above
Raptors - they really do not have a true match in terms of dollars and they probably do not need but he would help

Clippers - I would think that a deal of Teodosic and Boban for Ariza with the way they are playing would benefit their team. Clippers would need to include a draft pick as that is a steal for the CLippers.

Houston - already discussed, tough match salary wise

Utah - they are 8-11, not that far out of the playoffs but in the west if a lot of teams to jump - would they want a deal for Rubio to get the Bucks pick to get something if he is not in their long term plans


The Lakers are 11-7 - -maybe a three way deal with KCP going to Utah, the Bucks pick as well, Ariza to LA and Rubio to the Suns.

There should be a good, to very good market for Trevor Ariza. And teams will get him two months ahead of the trading deadline when a game or two might matter.

How does Booker feel about the "Harden role?" He is getting better. Maybe adding another Bridges type player wouldn't be a bad option if Point Book, continues to play well. The last two games we've played it were good outcomes. I'd like to some more

Booker
Bridges
Jackson
TJ
Ayton

lineups.

Very surprised they have us as a 'wild card' team for Fultz instead of a main contender considering our need for one

Buy or sell: A team should buy low on a Markelle Fultz trade
Fultz was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2017 draft, when the Philadelphia 76ers gave up the No. 3 pick (which became Jayson Tatum) as well as a future pick to select the consensus top prospect.

Now, 17 months later, Fultz's continued shooting issues and scheduled visit with a shoulder specialist have many wondering if he has played his last game for the 76ers, even though his agent has said there's been no trade request.

If the Sixers do eventually decide to trade Fultz, is he a good buy-low prospect? And which teams should take a chance on him?

The best potential destinations for Fultz would have certain characteristics:

A need for an on-ball offensive creator

A need for an overall increase in talent

In a position to be patient

A strong leadership structure that can both protect and mentor Fultz

The main teams that come to mind: the San Antonio Spurs, Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat and perhaps the Houston Rockets. In the first three cases, the teams have solid overall talent but lack franchise-caliber lead guards. All three have playoff aspirations, though they are unlikely to take the next step until they fill that lead guard need. And all three have strong coaches and veterans who can help Fultz grow.

The Rockets don't fit that exact mold due to their current championship aspirations, but they are also an older team that will need young legs. They could afford to let Fultz develop on the bench behind Chris Paul and James Harden, then give him more responsibility over time as Paul slows down with age.

Two other wildcard destinations that leap out are the Phoenix Suns and Orlando Magic. The Suns have a couple of really exciting young building blocks in Devin Booker and Deandre Ayton, while the Magic feature a talented frontcourt of Nikola Vucevic, Mo Bamba, Jonathan Isaac and Aaron Gordon. Neither team receives the same amount of attention as Philly, and both could use a player with Fultz's shot creation abilities. The Suns also have a renowned medical staff known for rehabbing injuries and extending the careers of older players (including Grant Hill and Steve Nash).

We don't know what the Sixers' asking price would be in a trade, but it's difficult to still value Fultz as a typical No. 1 pick. I would buy any of these teams taking a chance on him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/25357416/nba-buy-sell-lakers-trade-lonzo-ball-brandon-ingram-bradley-beal

JMac1 wrote:How does Booker feel about the "Harden role?" He is getting better. Maybe adding another Bridges type player wouldn't be a bad option if Point Book, continues to play well. The last two games we've played it were good outcomes. I'd like to some more

Booker
Bridges
Jackson
TJ
Ayton

lineups.

Point Book is not particularly good right now, but he is still averaging 7+ assists. Once he builds a chemistry with Deandre(only the case in 76ers game so far) an average of 9-10 apg for the season is not out of the question in the future.

sunsbg wrote:

JMac1 wrote:How does Booker feel about the "Harden role?" He is getting better. Maybe adding another Bridges type player wouldn't be a bad option if Point Book, continues to play well. The last two games we've played it were good outcomes. I'd like to some more

Booker
Bridges
Jackson
TJ
Ayton

lineups.

Point Book is not particularly good right now, but he is still averaging 7+ assists. Once he builds a chemistry with Deandre(only the case in 76ers game so far) an average of 9-10 apg for the season is not out of the question in the future.

You must have missed Zach Lowe's tweet. Booker on with Canaan off ORTG and DRTG is #3 and #8 in the league.

JMac1 wrote:How does Booker feel about the "Harden role?" He is getting better. Maybe adding another Bridges type player wouldn't be a bad option if Point Book, continues to play well. The last two games we've played it were good outcomes. I'd like to some more

Booker
Bridges
Jackson
TJ
Ayton

lineups.

I think they still need another ball handler even if booker stays in this role. Harden is better when he has Paul and Gordon to take some of that off his plate. Maybe it Jackson develops he could be it but right now he's too wild and his poor shooting negates some advantage you have with Booker at pg.

Now this recent play might mean they are more focused on finding a second ball handler who is also comfortable off the ball which would mean you wouldnt want a guy like Rubio. Guys like brogdon or Dinwiddie are more in line and added bonus is those two are big enough to guard SGs and PGs so you can always have them guard the other teams best guard.

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JMac1 wrote:

sunsbg wrote:

JMac1 wrote:How does Booker feel about the "Harden role?" He is getting better. Maybe adding another Bridges type player wouldn't be a bad option if Point Book, continues to play well. The last two games we've played it were good outcomes. I'd like to some more

Booker
Bridges
Jackson
TJ
Ayton

lineups.

Point Book is not particularly good right now, but he is still averaging 7+ assists. Once he builds a chemistry with Deandre(only the case in 76ers game so far) an average of 9-10 apg for the season is not out of the question in the future.

You must have missed Zach Lowe's tweet. Booker on with Canaan off ORTG and DRTG is #3 and #8 in the league.

Sample size is probably too small and I prefer the eye test. Too many turnovers and lack of chemistry with Ayton to consider DB as a great option at PG.

sunsbg wrote:

JMac1 wrote:

sunsbg wrote:
Point Book is not particularly good right now, but he is still averaging 7+ assists. Once he builds a chemistry with Deandre(only the case in 76ers game so far) an average of 9-10 apg for the season is not out of the question in the future.

You must have missed Zach Lowe's tweet. Booker on with Canaan off ORTG and DRTG is #3 and #8 in the league.

Sample size is probably too small and I prefer the eye test. Too many turnovers and lack of chemistry with Ayton to consider DB as a great option at PG.

The sample size with Canaan on the floor is huge. Canaan sucks and isn't really even qualified to be a bench PG.

WeekapaugGroove wrote:

JMac1 wrote:How does Booker feel about the "Harden role?" He is getting better. Maybe adding another Bridges type player wouldn't be a bad option if Point Book, continues to play well. The last two games we've played it were good outcomes. I'd like to some more

Booker
Bridges
Jackson
TJ
Ayton

lineups.

I think they still need another ball handler even if booker stays in this role. Harden is better when he has Paul and Gordon to take some of that off his plate. Maybe it Jackson develops he could be it but right now he's too wild and his poor shooting negates some advantage you have with Booker at pg.

Now this recent play might mean they are more focused on finding a second ball handler who is also comfortable off the ball which would mean you wouldnt want a guy like Rubio. Guys like brogdon or Dinwiddie are more in line and added bonus is those two are big enough to guard SGs and PGs so you can always have them guard the other teams best guard.

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That's why I would like to see it. You can't get better or see how effective it will be unless you run it, and now is the time to do it. Its called action research.

bigfoot wrote:

sunsbg wrote:

JMac1 wrote:
You must have missed Zach Lowe's tweet. Booker on with Canaan off ORTG and DRTG is #3 and #8 in the league.

Sample size is probably too small and I prefer the eye test. Too many turnovers and lack of chemistry with Ayton to consider DB as a great option at PG.

The sample size with Canaan on the floor is huge. Canaan sucks and isn't really even qualified to be a bench PG.

My response was in regards to DBook becoming a Harden type of player, so not sure why Canaan was brought into the discussion. Right now he is far from a great PG, still better than a 3rd stringer, I agree.

sunsbg wrote:

JMac1 wrote:

sunsbg wrote:
Point Book is not particularly good right now, but he is still averaging 7+ assists. Once he builds a chemistry with Deandre(only the case in 76ers game so far) an average of 9-10 apg for the season is not out of the question in the future.

You must have missed Zach Lowe's tweet. Booker on with Canaan off ORTG and DRTG is #3 and #8 in the league.

Sample size is probably too small and I prefer the eye test. Too many turnovers and lack of chemistry with Ayton to consider DB as a great option at PG.

Not the last two games. It may have started slow, but it is improving...so do you stop because it sucked when you started? The latter results are better than the former no?

Waiting for the Suns to go on an extended winning streak ... 4-5 games in a row should be reasonable. Would love a stretch where we went 10-2 or so.

JMac1 wrote:

sunsbg wrote:

JMac1 wrote:
You must have missed Zach Lowe's tweet. Booker on with Canaan off ORTG and DRTG is #3 and #8 in the league.

Sample size is probably too small and I prefer the eye test. Too many turnovers and lack of chemistry with Ayton to consider DB as a great option at PG.

Not the last two games. It may have started slow, but it is improving...so do you stop because it sucked when you started? The latter results are better than the former no?

I agreed with you that once Booker and Ayton build a chemistry, Devin could play the Harden role and average 9-10 apg, but I'm not seeing it right now. I remember DB throwing a lob to Deandre, which resulted in a turnover in last game, only game with good connection between them was the 76ers one. In case a good PG is obtainable it's still probably better to play Devin at his natural position.

JMac1 wrote:How does Booker feel about the "Harden role?" He is getting better. Maybe adding another Bridges type player wouldn't be a bad option if Point Book, continues to play well. The last two games we've played it were good outcomes. I'd like to some more

Booker
Bridges
Jackson
TJ
Ayton

lineups.

at this point I would rather trade Ariza for some size up front and let point Book continue but try and move Ariza for some solid bench players which we currently lack. also would give Canaans minutes to okobo and melton who ever is playing better on that particular night

sunsbg wrote:

JMac1 wrote:

sunsbg wrote:
Sample size is probably too small and I prefer the eye test. Too many turnovers and lack of chemistry with Ayton to consider DB as a great option at PG.

Not the last two games. It may have started slow, but it is improving...so do you stop because it sucked when you started? The latter results are better than the former no?

I agreed with you that once Booker and Ayton build a chemistry, Devin could play the Harden role and average 9-10 apg, but I'm not seeing it right now. I remember DB throwing a lob to Deandre, which resulted in a turnover in last game, only game with good connection between them was the 76ers one. In case a good PG is obtainable it's still probably better to play Devin at his natural position.

I could have sworn we had a low turnover game last night. Also, he will have turnovers, but you have to keep running it to get better at it. You have to work to get the chemistry. Maybe we ought to see how well it can advanced before we decide what type of PG we really need. Devin didn't come into the league as a distributor so he is learning on the job and lately he appears to be getting a lot better. Like it has been stated, everything started off of the Book and Ayton pick and roll. Also, having Booker at the PG add another defender, that's why I would like to see JJ in there as first sub for Ariza.