2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #1561 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Sat May 2, 2020 12:33 am

Worst_to_First wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
First of all, don't let my numbers fool you, I've been around longer than you think.

Secondly, what you're saying is pure folly and disingenuous. The "whole " board wasn't down on Tatum and very few cept the Euro crowd knew much about Frank. So Frank wasn't a unanimous pick as you are insinuating.

You def weren't here if you believe that.

About 95% of this board hated Tatum. Go ask Worst_To_First. Me and him were the biggest Tatum fans that year. I would say Greenie too but shes not here and you don't know her. Unless you're a previously banned poster. There was a few other Tatum fans but not much. People thought he reminded them of Melo too much and wanted no parts of him. Go look in the draft threads since you weren't here.

Yes I remember those times.

To be honest I was also high on Josh Jackson as the other wing during that time although I was worried on his short wingspan. I commend you for being that steadfast on Tatum. Tatum’s skillset and physical measurable were sort of one that would give a franchise another shot at a Carmelo Anthony type of player but is one that you could mold better.

The 2017 draft is memorable as it is one that fans should study closely given the mistakes that were made by certain teams.

I was a big Josh Jackson guy too. I’ve got a soft spot for playmaking wings. I think a lot of us weren’t high on Tatum cuz we just dealt with a declining Melo and we’re super against drafting another ISO scorer. I know that’s why I didn’t like him. I wanted someone who “played the right way” and unselfish. At least I was a Fox guy cuz Jackson and Smith Jr both busted :lol:

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #1562 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Sat May 2, 2020 12:53 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Depending on how the lottery works out I wouldn’t be shocked if Wiseman falls like Drummond did in his draft. At least he’s luckier than Drummond cuz the warriors can only fall to 5 and he won’t get passed them. The Cavs, Hawks, Bulls, Wolves, Sun, and Knicks have young bigs on the roster already and probably wouldn’t use another top 5 pick on him. The only other teams that could use him Detroit and Charlotte. So he’s gotta hope one of them jump up to be a top 3 pick. That being said, I’d probably still take him 3rd based on talent.

We just gotta take the best player available that has the most star potential. That's what's the most important to me. I dont really care for positions. I can even live with Cole if we fall in the draft and he's the best option left.

There’s definitely a talent gap from Wiseman to whomever the next guy on the big board. Maybe you can reach on someone like Hayes instead of wiseman but that’s what is so wild about this draft cuz most of these players are equally as flawed. I’m not gonna say that someone like Avdija is that much more talented than Tyrese Maxey and they’ll probably go 10 picks apart from one another. Once the lottery is set the mocks are going to change like crazy since everyone probably has drastically different big boards. At 7 or 8 I don’t really think Cole will be a reach by any means no matter what the draft experts say.

HEZI · Post #1563 » by **HEZI** » Sat May 2, 2020 1:39 am

If Wiseman is most talented then what happened here?

Zenzibar · Post #1564 » by **Zenzibar** » Sat May 2, 2020 2:31 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Yeah that post was bad

Your love for Wiseman is a bad look for Mitch, so where are you? You're saying Wiseman is a power forward?

Just because we think Wiseman has a lot more potential than Mitch, it doesn't mean we're disrespecting him. It's as simple as that

A move of ever buying the next shiny piece and never building upon the core pieces already sweated for, is what keeps us stuck. It's a redundant move, you don't see that?

Mitch is a stud, fk what you guys say. Not only that, if by crazy luck the Knicks land 1,2 or 3, WISEMAN is traded up to no more than 5 and I'm getting Tryrese Haliburton and stashing another 2021 pick. Bookmark

3toheadmelo · Post #1565 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sat May 2, 2020 3:24 am

HEZI wrote:If Wiseman is most talented then what happened here?

Who was Gatorade player of the year tho

HEZI · Post #1566 » by **HEZI** » Sat May 2, 2020 3:26 am

Wiseman would be a great fit in Charlotte. Knicks need to address their long PG drought. Doesn't make sense to take Wiseman in a PG deep draft even if I do believe he's going to be a good NBA player I don't see franchise changing talent. Wiseman is going to depend on good PG play and Knicks simply don't have that. Porzingis was more offensively talented than Wiseman and Porzingis didn't really move the needle without good guard play. We can address the bigman situation if need be down the road, Wiseman isn't essential for us right now especially with how raw he still is offensively. Charlotte would be a great fit for him because they run a lot of pick and rolls and have strong guard play already, he's a missing piece there. Knicks, not so much

HEZI · Post #1567 » by **HEZI** » Sat May 2, 2020 3:44 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
HEZI wrote:If Wiseman is most talented then what happened here?

Who was Gatorade player of the year tho

But when the lights come on he can't keep Cole out the spotlight

Watch on YouTube

knickstape21 · Post #1568 » by **knickstape21** » Sat May 2, 2020 3:58 am

robillionaire wrote:The only way I think it would make sense to get rid of Mitch and try to get wiseman is if the Knicks don't like mitch because of some sort of maturity or coaching or off the court issue. I honestly don't know how the knicks feel about mitch. You never hear anything about it one way or the other, and they benched him for taj gibson

if the knicks still think he's a good kid and coachable it would be insane to trade him

Thank you for providing real substance to this board and I agree.

It’s my ONLY concern with Robinson. His maturity level. He needs to grow up some more and I hope we find a coach that unlocks it and takes his game to levels he doesn’t even know about it. Breaking out of his shell to the media after year one was a good start.

Oh wait... back on topic I suppose...

WIzeLmaN iz GoAt!

sMiTh
Rj
MelO
RAndlEs
WIZeLmaN

3toheadmelo · Post #1569 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sat May 2, 2020 4:10 am

HEZI wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
HEZI wrote:If Wiseman is most talented then what happened here?

Who was Gatorade player of the year tho

But when the lights come on he can't keep Cole out the spotlight

Watch on YouTube

Wiseman was co mvp with Cole too lol

3toheadmelo · Post #1570 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sat May 2, 2020 4:11 am

knickstape21 wrote:
robillionaire wrote:The only way I think it would make sense to get rid of Mitch and try to get wiseman is if the Knicks don't like mitch because of some sort of maturity or coaching or off the court issue. I honestly don't know how the knicks feel about mitch. You never hear anything about it one way or the other, and they benched him for taj gibson

if the knicks still think he's a good kid and coachable it would be insane to trade him

Thank you for providing real substance to this board and I agree.

It’s my ONLY concern with Robinson. His maturity level. He needs to grow up some more and I hope we find a coach that unlocks it and takes his game to levels he doesn’t even know about it. Breaking out of his shell to the media after year one was a good start.

Oh wait... back on topic I suppose...

WIzeLmaN iz GoAt!

sMiTh
Rj
MelO
RAndlEs
WIZeLmaN

Oh u mad mad :lol:

RHODEY · Post #1571 » by **RHODEY** » Sat May 2, 2020 4:16 am

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HEZI · Post #1572 » by **HEZI** » Sat May 2, 2020 4:30 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
HEZI wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Who was Gatorade player of the year tho

But when the lights come on he can't keep Cole out the spotlight

Watch on YouTube

Wiseman was co mvp with Cole too lol

Like I said, can't keep him out the spotlight

HEZI · Post #1573 » by **HEZI** » Sat May 2, 2020 4:34 am

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25 / 7 / 4

Cooked up Nico Mannion like some lobster dinner

HEZI · Post #1574 » by **HEZI** » Sat May 2, 2020 4:40 am

Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

RHODEY · Post #1575 » by **RHODEY** » Sat May 2, 2020 4:57 am

HEZI wrote:Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

No we need to definitely overthink our pick....Im not looking to get stuck with DSJ 2.0

HEZI · Post #1576 » by **HEZI** » Sat May 2, 2020 5:07 am

RHODEY wrote:
HEZI wrote:Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

No we need to definitely overthink our pick....Im not looking to get stuck with DSJ 2.0

When you realize he's a completely different player than DSJ then there's no point in even thinking about being stuck with DSJ 2.0

KnicksGadfly · Post #1577 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Sat May 2, 2020 11:28 am

HEZI wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
HEZI wrote:Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

No we need to definitely overthink our pick....Im not looking to get stuck with DSJ 2.0

When you realize he's a completely different player than DSJ then there's no point in even thinking about being stuck with DSJ 2.0

I will say this: Cole seems to play on defense, and I like that. I think the big question for him is how much he was held back by his team. I have to admit that I have a bias against the Cole pick because it seems like the FO has already anointed him as our successor at PG, and I don't trust them at all. However, he's not a Knox pick, in which we all realized that he didn't really play d and were trusting in our coaching staff to develop him.

Zenzibar · Post #1578 » by **Zenzibar** » Sat May 2, 2020 12:19 pm

HEZI wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
HEZI wrote:Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

No we need to definitely overthink our pick....Im not looking to get stuck with DSJ 2.0

When you realize he's a completely different player than DSJ then there's no point in even thinking about being stuck with DSJ 2.0

Not only. But to think that we can walk away with 3 point guard prospects is crotch-grabbing worthy. There are about 4-5 that we can theoretically select from and work through. From that stand-point our future point guard should be in this year's draft.

Whomever is slobbering over Wiseman needs to get some priorities in order...

knickstape21 · Post #1579 » by **knickstape21** » Sat May 2, 2020 1:46 pm

HEZI wrote:Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

I do believe Cole will be a better NBA player than college player. I think he has his head on straight and love the idea of a guard that can knock down shots with confidence.

However, I’m concerned with his ability to consistently break defenders down off the dribble and making the right plays. Think about Trae Young. It looks like he slips past his guy almost every time with ease and is fantastic (although really annoying) at drawing fouls. Think we need a guy that can sell calls like that, which pains me to say.

Just seems to me Cole is a little clunky going to the rim. Too much barreling into people rather than slipping through for scoop layups or floaters.

Think his ceiling is Kyle Lowry.

Juco24 · Post #1580 » by **Juco24** » Sat May 2, 2020 2:28 pm

HEZI wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
HEZI wrote:Cole in an NBA type of setting with pace and space is a different cat. Best thing to happen to the Knicks was him going to UNC and playing in that outdated style of offense they ran this year with terrible floor spacing and no perimeter help whatsoever and having his stock as low as it is now. We got a shot to actually pick up a legit NBA guard with franchise PG potential in the 6-10 range. Don't overthink it, it's not that complicated

No we need to definitely overthink our pick....Im not looking to get stuck with DSJ 2.0

When you realize he's a completely different player than DSJ then there's no point in even thinking about being stuck with DSJ 2.0

Anyone comparing Smith with Anthony is either blind or hating.