Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

Tomjas · Post #1561 » by **Tomjas** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:08 pm

Hate to break it to you but Westbrook is a much better player than Fox

When you take into account salary, ego, potential etc, I prefer Maxey to Fox

mjkvol · Post #1562 » by **mjkvol** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:29 pm

76ciology wrote:Im not a fan of Fox. But I know he can be better than who he is right now. And if I dont want him, I probably can ship him to Ingram or someone later down the road

We’re not winning the championship this year anyway.

This is the key that everyone needs to come to terms with. As it stands, this is a 2nd round playoff team if everything goes well and health is good. I believe that Morey is thinking about next year and beyond with any moves he makes now, and that's why any return for Simmons might simply be a starting point in a much larger and more ambitious plan. At least that's my hope.

kuclas · Post #1563 » by **kuclas** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:56 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I can't believe it's an actual possibility. Sacramento would be absolutely idiotic to trade Fox for a non-creating super role player.

Tell me again how Fox has lead the kings to even a .500 record during his time there?? He hasn’t.

If Ben were on the kings as primary option. He would average 25/8/8 and people would be wow’d. Just due to the kings pace and transition and lack of defense.

Kobblehead · Post #1564 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:57 pm

Fox is a fantastic dribble penetrator and a fantastic defender. And he's a solid passer. He has 3 of the 4 core four traits. He just won't provide much spacing, of course. So he'd be great here, he just wouldn't be an optimal fit. I think it's a must that we bring Jamius Ramsey back in any trade with Sacramento. He has major three and d upside.

Kobblehead · Post #1565 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:58 pm

kuclas wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I can't believe it's an actual possibility. Sacramento would be absolutely idiotic to trade Fox for a non-creating super role player.

Tell me again how Fox has lead the kings to even a .500 record during his time there?? He hasn’t.

If Ben were on the kings as primary option. He would average 25/8/8 and people would be wow’d. Just due to the kings pace and transition and lack of defense.

What was Devin Booker's record with the Suns?

kuclas · Post #1566 » by **kuclas** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:14 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
kuclas wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I can't believe it's an actual possibility. Sacramento would be absolutely idiotic to trade Fox for a non-creating super role player.

Tell me again how Fox has lead the kings to even a .500 record during his time there?? He hasn’t.

If Ben were on the kings as primary option. He would average 25/8/8 and people would be wow’d. Just due to the kings pace and transition and lack of defense.

What was Devin Booker's record with the Suns?

It’s Chris Paul leading suns. Not devin booker. We all know that.

So fox continuing on the kings means more losses.

Some players are better as the 2nd option.

If ben were on the kings. Kings would win more games than fox.

Kobblehead · Post #1567 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:19 pm

You can sell that to Kings fans lol. I ain't buying it. Fox is clearly better than Simmons.

Tomjas · Post #1568 » by **Tomjas** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:22 pm

Kobblehead wrote:You can sell that to Kings fans lol. I ain't buying it. Fox is clearly better than Simmons.

lol

Fox is not particularly good

Tobias for Hield/Barnes & Bagley is the Kings trade to make

Use Simmons for quality

Kobblehead · Post #1569 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:34 pm

Yeah, and people said Devin Booker wasn't good either. And then he was the leading scorer on a Finals team lol. Use some projection, plz.

Tomjas · Post #1570 » by **Tomjas** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:36 pm

Booker could always shoot

Fox can’t shoot, is an average passer and one of the worst defenders in the league

spikeslovechild · Post #1571 » by **spikeslovechild** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:40 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Fox is a fantastic dribble penetrator and a fantastic defender. And he's a solid passer. He has 3 of the 4 core four traits. He just won't provide much spacing, of course. So he'd be great here, he just wouldn't be an optimal fit. I think it's a must that we bring Jamius Ramsey back in any trade with Sacramento. He has major three and d upside.

Two of those things aren't true. How is he a fantastic defender? Last year the kings had the worst DRTG when he was on the floor this year he has a DRTG right in line with the team average well below the league average. The nicest thing you can say about his defense is at times he's played to the defensive talent of those around him which is still bad.

This isn't a one off thing either he's been in the league for five years and has never had a DRTG below 111.

As far as his playmaking goes it's average at best now if he shows he can expand his range that is another discussion but I don't particularly want him. One thing that would be nice though is Simmons playing on the kings for four years. He deserves that dumpster fire of an organization

Kobblehead · Post #1572 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:42 pm

How can one possibly think Ben Simmons would have been able to carry the dysfunctional Kings to a better record? LSU was 19-14 and couldn't even make a field of 64 tournament when Ben was there.

spikeslovechild · Post #1573 » by **spikeslovechild** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:45 pm

Kobblehead wrote:How can one possibly think Ben Simmons would have been able to carry the dysfunctional Kings to a better record? LSU was 19-14 and couldn't even make a field of 64 tournament when Ben was there.

That is the only reason to trade Ben there.

If he thinks he has mental problems playing for the Sixers lol

rzzzzz · Post #1574 » by **rzzzzz** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:08 am

spikeslovechild wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:How can one possibly think Ben Simmons would have been able to carry the dysfunctional Kings to a better record? LSU was 19-14 and couldn't even make a field of 64 tournament when Ben was there.

That is the only reason to trade Ben there.

If he thinks he has mental problems playing for the Sixers lol

Ben’s representation singled them out as worthy. Perfect place to send him, given that dumpster fire franchise has enough pieces to cobble together a decent trade.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1575 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:28 am

Now I’m attached to the Simmons/Harris/Milton for Fox/Hield/Barnes idea.

Tomjas · Post #1576 » by **Tomjas** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:40 am

Kings get Simmons & Thad Young

Spurs get Bagley

Pelicans get Fox

Sixers get Ingram

eyeatoma · Post #1577 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:42 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:Now I’m attached to the Simmons/Harris/Milton for Fox/Hield/Barnes idea.

This would be a good trade, yes!

Kobblehead · Post #1578 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:47 am

spikeslovechild wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Fox is a fantastic dribble penetrator and a fantastic defender. And he's a solid passer. He has 3 of the 4 core four traits. He just won't provide much spacing, of course. So he'd be great here, he just wouldn't be an optimal fit. I think it's a must that we bring Jamius Ramsey back in any trade with Sacramento. He has major three and d upside.

Two of those things aren't true. How is he a fantastic defender? Last year the kings had the worst DRTG when he was on the floor this year he has a DRTG right in line with the team average well below the league average. The nicest thing you can say about his defense is at times he's played to the defensive talent of those around him which is still bad.

This isn't a one off thing either he's been in the league for five years and has never had a DRTG below 111.

I don't care for plus minus stats that depend on 5 man units and more. Fox generates steals and blocks at a 2.1% and 1.3% rate for his career. Those are fantastic defensive numbers.

Iverson Armband · Post #1579 » by **Iverson Armband** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:17 am

kuclas wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
kuclas wrote:Tell me again how Fox has lead the kings to even a .500 record during his time there?? He hasn’t.

If Ben were on the kings as primary option. He would average 25/8/8 and people would be wow’d. Just due to the kings pace and transition and lack of defense.

What was Devin Booker's record with the Suns?

It’s Chris Paul leading suns. Not devin booker. We all know that.

So fox continuing on the kings means more losses.

Some players are better as the 2nd option.

If ben were on the kings. Kings would win more games than fox.

Ben hasn’t proven to be anything but a loser.

Tomjas · Post #1580 » by **Tomjas** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:18 am

Iverson Armband wrote:
kuclas wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:What was Devin Booker's record with the Suns?

It’s Chris Paul leading suns. Not devin booker. We all know that.

So fox continuing on the kings means more losses.

Some players are better as the 2nd option.

If ben were on the kings. Kings would win more games than fox.

Ben hasn’t proven to be anything but a loser.

Now do Joel