Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks

[DrWood]

I have zero problem with the Adams trade in a vacuum.
With the context of signing Rodgers with an attempt to go "all-in," it makes much less sense.
While going "all-in" requires compromises (releasing players to provide cap room to resign or acquire players), these are two very big, conflicting decisions.
So, we're left hoping our draft pick produces from day one (although Rodgers takes forever to build confidence in his receivers) or we acquire a receiver with previously untapped potential (though Rodgers will probably lack confidence in any veteran addition as well--for example Jared Cook was better before and after his season with the Pack).
Seems a strategy to perpetuate being merely good.

[DrWood]

Over/under on catches by Aaron Jones (assuming he plays the whole season): 65
I'll pick the over. He's the only guy on the roster who has maintained Rodgers trust.

[DrWood]

After the Adams trade, I think my wet dream 1st round pick scenario is one of the Ohio St WR's with 22 and then Jameson Williams with 28.

Pair that with a veteran WR or MVS and I think WR is no issue going into next year with a wild card in Williams entering the back end of the season. After this year, those two picks are probably your 1 and 2 WR's for the future - let's get it done

If they keep both FRP, I think there is zero chance that they'd pick two WRs.

[CWoodfan]

While it is generally rare to be better off losing an all-time great, HOF talent, I think this is one situation where that could be the case.

For one, the recent evidence on WR production once guys hit 30 is pretty damning. Now, in general, some of HOF greats have bucked that trend, but it's still a possibility that Adams isn't producing anywhere close to his contract for the back half.

Now, that doesn't help us at all for 2022. But that said, if this allows us to retain Douglas, add Juju and/or keep MVS, and draft one or two WR in the first four picks, we could be a better team in 2022.

My biggest complaint with this deal is that if they knew DA wanted out (and from all reports this has been brewing for a while), you need to trade him prior to the WR FA market drying up. Because while draft picks are nice, counting almost exclusively on rookies (and meh talent like Lazard, Cobb, Amari) is a very risky proposition for an "all in" team.

Right now my hope is Juju, MVS, and Olave.

Except that trades weren't allowed prior to 4PM on March 16 (assuming I'm reading this correctly).

2022 NFL Important Dates

But trades can be agreed to long before the league year officially begins.

The Matthew Stafford trade to the Rams was announced on January 30, 2021 for example.

[Touchpass]

So, we're left hoping our draft pick produces from day one (although Rodgers takes forever to build confidence in his receivers) or we acquire a receiver with previously untapped potential (though Rodgers will probably lack confidence in any veteran addition as well--for example Jared Cook was better before and after his season with the Pack).
Seems a strategy to perpetuate being merely good.

Good point. He’s gonna have to trust someone other than jones though. I’d bet on veterans. They paid the MVP and got the D. Now the front office needs to work some magic to make it Super Bowl caliber. Cap wise, can we afford to trade for a good WR and sign Landry or JuJu?

[skones]

So, we're left hoping our draft pick produces from day one (although Rodgers takes forever to build confidence in his receivers) or we acquire a receiver with previously untapped potential (though Rodgers will probably lack confidence in any veteran addition as well--for example Jared Cook was better before and after his season with the Pack).
Seems a strategy to perpetuate being merely good.

Good point. He’s gonna have to trust someone other than jones though. I’d bet on veterans. They paid the MVP and got the D. Now the front office needs to work some magic to make it Super Bowl caliber. Cap wise, can we afford to trade for a good WR and sign Landry or JuJu?

JuJu is off the table. Sign Landry, make a trade, draft is really the only way to make this thing workable at this point. The pickings are slim. Getting a few guys who are number 2 caliber keeps this offense potent.

[th87]

I don't think there's any drama between Adams and Rodgers, Adams was just telling a story a few months back about how a text Rodgers sent him made him cry (in a good way). Seems more of an issue between Adams and the Packers because they were negotiating earlier last off-season and this one. I'm guessing he felt disrespected and knows that Rodgers won't be playing much longer so he bolted.

Thats where I'm at. If so, Gutey stays bricking the layups. GM's spend their entire careers trying to find talent like Rodgers and Adams. But its equally important retain the talent. If that means massaging an ego you massage an ego. If that means working on a new contract, you work on a new contract. Not rocket science to prioritize your all-world players.

While it kind of worked out in this instance from a trade standpoint, it is concerning that Gute is pissing his stars off.

[th87]

I think that when you have a HoF QB you shouldn't be rushing to trade him and should use him until the last drop, and then, after he is done, you will have plenty of time to maybe find another one.

I think lots of people agree with you and trust me, I get the appeal of it, you never know how long until you are a contender again. And like I said, I hope we win a title.

My view, this was the perfect season to start the rebuild and sending Rodgers and Adams out to bring back 7 top 100 picks in the next two drafts would have been a home run. But again, I get why some would prefer to hang on to the bitter end, I just think it could have been a mistake.

All those picks are irrelevant without a franchise QB. You now have built a solid team with no such QB, and no real way to get one (assuming Love isn't one).

Tops out at a few division titles every other year. Pointless.

[Finn]

While it is generally rare to be better off losing an all-time great, HOF talent, I think this is one situation where that could be the case.

For one, the recent evidence on WR production once guys hit 30 is pretty damning. Now, in general, some of HOF greats have bucked that trend, but it's still a possibility that Adams isn't producing anywhere close to his contract for the back half.

Now, that doesn't help us at all for 2022. But that said, if this allows us to retain Douglas, add Juju and/or keep MVS, and draft one or two WR in the first four picks, we could be a better team in 2022.

My biggest complaint with this deal is that if they knew DA wanted out (and from all reports this has been brewing for a while), you need to trade him prior to the WR FA market drying up. Because while draft picks are nice, counting almost exclusively on rookies (and meh talent like Lazard, Cobb, Amari) is a very risky proposition for an "all in" team.

Right now my hope is Juju, MVS, and Olave.

Except that trades weren't allowed prior to 4PM on March 16 (assuming I'm reading this correctly).

2022 NFL Important Dates

But trades can be agreed to long before the league year officially begins.

The Matthew Stafford trade to the Rams was announced on January 30, 2021 for example.

Was the league calendar different last year due to COVID? No idea. Assuming you're correct, I have no idea how to read that page from the NFL as it relates to trades.....

[M-C-G]

I think that when you have a HoF QB you shouldn't be rushing to trade him and should use him until the last drop, and then, after he is done, you will have plenty of time to maybe find another one.

I think lots of people agree with you and trust me, I get the appeal of it, you never know how long until you are a contender again. And like I said, I hope we win a title.

My view, this was the perfect season to start the rebuild and sending Rodgers and Adams out to bring back 7 top 100 picks in the next two drafts would have been a home run. But again, I get why some would prefer to hang on to the bitter end, I just think it could have been a mistake.

All those picks are irrelevant without a franchise QB. You now have built a solid team with no such QB, and no real way to get one (assuming Love isn't one).

Tops out at a few division titles every other year. Pointless.

Very weird timing given we have just watched Watson and Wilson get traded, just a year after Stafford was traded and Brady was a FA the year before that both won super bowls.

[Daver]

How bout a jones n landry duo that wouldnt be to bad

[ggatski1]

I don't think there's any drama between Adams and Rodgers, Adams was just telling a story a few months back about how a text Rodgers sent him made him cry (in a good way). Seems more of an issue between Adams and the Packers because they were negotiating earlier last off-season and this one. I'm guessing he felt disrespected and knows that Rodgers won't be playing much longer so he bolted.

Thats where I'm at. If so, Gutey stays bricking the layups. GM's spend their entire careers trying to find talent like Rodgers and Adams. But its equally important retain the talent. If that means massaging an ego you massage an ego. If that means working on a new contract, you work on a new contract. Not rocket science to prioritize your all-world players.

While it kind of worked out in this instance from a trade standpoint, it is concerning that Gute is pissing his stars off.

Everyone I don't get this narrative that Gute is pissing all his stars off. We all know Rodgers has been kind of out/dramatic with his stuff this past year and he did admit that Gute has been great since then. They repaired the relationship with Aaron and Tae say that. So I think he has made the best effort to change anything that was causing concern with star players. IF this wasn't true Rodgers doesn't stay. I truly believe the Rodgers being unsure he was coming back, 1 yr, etc. caused Tae to not get signed and leave. IF I am the GM I am not going to commit long term to Tae. It makes no sense like I said before if you don't know what Rodgers was going to do. The team had to wait and see, now this caused Tae leaving maybe but do we truly know that his plan was to leave for Raiders the whole time? I mean Rodgers is staying, Green Bay was going to match or go bigger then the Raiders offer what can you do at this point? I think Tae is making a mistake. Go ahead and play in the AFC West. Look at the odds, they are still picked 4th in that division, lol. It sucks he is leaving and I loved watching him and Rodgers together but it didn't translate to winning playoff games and going to the SB. So lets see what we can do, so far all that we have lost besides Tae is Z and Turner. This team is pretty much in tacked and a lot of draft capital this year.

[th87]

I think lots of people agree with you and trust me, I get the appeal of it, you never know how long until you are a contender again. And like I said, I hope we win a title.

My view, this was the perfect season to start the rebuild and sending Rodgers and Adams out to bring back 7 top 100 picks in the next two drafts would have been a home run. But again, I get why some would prefer to hang on to the bitter end, I just think it could have been a mistake.

All those picks are irrelevant without a franchise QB. You now have built a solid team with no such QB, and no real way to get one (assuming Love isn't one).

Tops out at a few division titles every other year. Pointless.

Very weird timing given we have just watched Watson and Wilson get traded, just a year after Stafford was traded and Brady was a FA the year before that both won super bowls.

So trade back for Rodgers (or similar) in two years? What would be the point?

[ggatski1]

Thats where I'm at. If so, Gutey stays bricking the layups. GM's spend their entire careers trying to find talent like Rodgers and Adams. But its equally important retain the talent. If that means massaging an ego you massage an ego. If that means working on a new contract, you work on a new contract. Not rocket science to prioritize your all-world players.

While it kind of worked out in this instance from a trade standpoint, it is concerning that Gute is pissing his stars off.

Everyone I don't get this narrative that Gute is pissing all his stars off. We all know Rodgers has been kind of out/dramatic with his stuff this past year and he did admit that Gute has been great since then. They repaired the relationship with Aaron and Tae say that. So I think he has made the best effort to change anything that was causing concern with star players. IF this wasn't true Rodgers doesn't stay. I truly believe the Rodgers being unsure he was coming back, 1 yr, etc. caused Tae to not get signed and leave. IF I am the GM I am not going to commit long term to Tae. It makes no sense like I said before if you don't know what Rodgers was going to do. The team had to wait and see, now this caused Tae leaving maybe but do we truly know that his plan was to leave for Raiders the whole time? I mean Rodgers is staying, Green Bay was going to match or go bigger then the Raiders offer what can you do at this point? I think Tae is making a mistake. Go ahead and play in the AFC West. Look at the odds, they are still picked 4th in that division, lol. It sucks he is leaving and I loved watching him and Rodgers together but it didn't translate to winning playoff games and going to the SB. So lets see what we can do, so far all that we have lost besides Tae is Z and Turner. This team is pretty much in tacked and a lot of draft capital this year.

I meant Tae saw the change with Gute and Rodgers this past year. You know they talk so he had to know that Gute was making an effort.

[th87]

Thats where I'm at. If so, Gutey stays bricking the layups. GM's spend their entire careers trying to find talent like Rodgers and Adams. But its equally important retain the talent. If that means massaging an ego you massage an ego. If that means working on a new contract, you work on a new contract. Not rocket science to prioritize your all-world players.

While it kind of worked out in this instance from a trade standpoint, it is concerning that Gute is pissing his stars off.

Everyone I don't get this narrative that Gute is pissing all his stars off. We all know Rodgers has been kind of out/dramatic with his stuff this past year and he did admit that Gute has been great since then. They repaired the relationship with Aaron and Tae say that. So I think he has made the best effort to change anything that was causing concern with star players. IF this wasn't true Rodgers doesn't stay. I truly believe the Rodgers being unsure he was coming back, 1 yr, etc. caused Tae to not get signed and leave. IF I am the GM I am not going to commit long term to Tae. It makes no sense like I said before if you don't know what Rodgers was going to do. The team had to wait and see, now this caused Tae leaving maybe but do we truly know that his plan was to leave for Raiders the whole time? I mean Rodgers is staying, Green Bay was going to match or go bigger then the Raiders offer what can you do at this point? I think Tae is making a mistake. Go ahead and play in the AFC West. Look at the odds, they are still picked 4th in that division, lol. It sucks he is leaving and I loved watching him and Rodgers together but it didn't translate to winning playoff games and going to the SB. So lets see what we can do, so far all that we have lost besides Tae is Z and Turner. This team is pretty much in tacked and a lot of draft capital this year.

It's good he salvaged his relationship with Rodgers, but it didn't need to come to that in the first place. The reporting said Adams was pissed, so clearly he's not doing as well as he can be in communicating.

[th87]

While it kind of worked out in this instance from a trade standpoint, it is concerning that Gute is pissing his stars off.

Everyone I don't get this narrative that Gute is pissing all his stars off. We all know Rodgers has been kind of out/dramatic with his stuff this past year and he did admit that Gute has been great since then. They repaired the relationship with Aaron and Tae say that. So I think he has made the best effort to change anything that was causing concern with star players. IF this wasn't true Rodgers doesn't stay. I truly believe the Rodgers being unsure he was coming back, 1 yr, etc. caused Tae to not get signed and leave. IF I am the GM I am not going to commit long term to Tae. It makes no sense like I said before if you don't know what Rodgers was going to do. The team had to wait and see, now this caused Tae leaving maybe but do we truly know that his plan was to leave for Raiders the whole time? I mean Rodgers is staying, Green Bay was going to match or go bigger then the Raiders offer what can you do at this point? I think Tae is making a mistake. Go ahead and play in the AFC West. Look at the odds, they are still picked 4th in that division, lol. It sucks he is leaving and I loved watching him and Rodgers together but it didn't translate to winning playoff games and going to the SB. So lets see what we can do, so far all that we have lost besides Tae is Z and Turner. This team is pretty much in tacked and a lot of draft capital this year.

I meant Tae saw the change with Gute and Rodgers this past year. You know they talk so he had to know that Gute was making an effort.

Making an effort on Rodgers. But not him, it seems.

[MikeIsGood]

Would've taken him for sure, but not too upset to not get JuJu - as long as we do get someone. Which pretty much means we need Landry now.

Landry, a top draft pick (1/2), another maybe round 3 depending upon who is on the board, Lazard.

Anyone have thoughts on Trey McBride - Colorado State TE? Seems like he's the consensus top TE, with receiving as his strong suit.

[M-C-G]

All those picks are irrelevant without a franchise QB. You now have built a solid team with no such QB, and no real way to get one (assuming Love isn't one).

Tops out at a few division titles every other year. Pointless.

Very weird timing given we have just watched Watson and Wilson get traded, just a year after Stafford was traded and Brady was a FA the year before that both won super bowls.

So trade back for Rodgers (or similar) in two years? What would be the point?

Your argument was franchise qb or no point. I’m demonstrating franchise qbs being acquired. You connect the dots or more likely not.


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[DrWood]

I think that when you have a HoF QB you shouldn't be rushing to trade him and should use him until the last drop, and then, after he is done, you will have plenty of time to maybe find another one.

I think lots of people agree with you and trust me, I get the appeal of it, you never know how long until you are a contender again. And like I said, I hope we win a title.

My view, this was the perfect season to start the rebuild and sending Rodgers and Adams out to bring back 7 top 100 picks in the next two drafts would have been a home run. But again, I get why some would prefer to hang on to the bitter end, I just think it could have been a mistake.

All those picks are irrelevant without a franchise QB. You now have built a solid team with no such QB, and no real way to get one (assuming Love isn't one).

Tops out at a few division titles every other year. Pointless.

That's what we've been doing. The importance of a "franchise QB" (aren't they all?) doesn't seem to ensure repeated SB trips. Rodgers, Brees, etc., one and done. Peyton Manning got his return to the SB after being traded. In fact, it's only worked well for one guy in recent history, Tom Brady.

[ggatski1]

While it kind of worked out in this instance from a trade standpoint, it is concerning that Gute is pissing his stars off.

Everyone I don't get this narrative that Gute is pissing all his stars off. We all know Rodgers has been kind of out/dramatic with his stuff this past year and he did admit that Gute has been great since then. They repaired the relationship with Aaron and Tae say that. So I think he has made the best effort to change anything that was causing concern with star players. IF this wasn't true Rodgers doesn't stay. I truly believe the Rodgers being unsure he was coming back, 1 yr, etc. caused Tae to not get signed and leave. IF I am the GM I am not going to commit long term to Tae. It makes no sense like I said before if you don't know what Rodgers was going to do. The team had to wait and see, now this caused Tae leaving maybe but do we truly know that his plan was to leave for Raiders the whole time? I mean Rodgers is staying, Green Bay was going to match or go bigger then the Raiders offer what can you do at this point? I think Tae is making a mistake. Go ahead and play in the AFC West. Look at the odds, they are still picked 4th in that division, lol. It sucks he is leaving and I loved watching him and Rodgers together but it didn't translate to winning playoff games and going to the SB. So lets see what we can do, so far all that we have lost besides Tae is Z and Turner. This team is pretty much in tacked and a lot of draft capital this year.

It's good he salvaged his relationship with Rodgers, but it didn't need to come to that in the first place. The reporting said Adams was pissed, so clearly he's not doing as well as he can be in communicating.

I hear that. My point is Adams was pissed about his contract not being extended or market value last year. So that is what I heard he was upset about nothing else has come out that I know of. So again, I don't think Gute could have done anything or should have done anything due to Rodgers situation. Also saw he worked on Rodgers relationship but not Adams well Rodgers sucked up everyone's energy and time right, lol. Hard to please all the players. Most GMs really don't talk with players much, I think to expect that is asking a lot. You hardly see in Basketball and there is only 15 to a team compared to 53, lol