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[yannisk]

I think the point is that its more likely Dame finds that Portland form if hes given more opportunities to get into a groove. Ive seen it happen this year. The dude just starts moving differently and everything goes in. And its not just him getting more shots, its him having the ball in his hands, feeling comfortable, and finding his rhythm. Its hard to do that just hoisting up catch and shoot 3s sporadically throughout the game.

this link has some relative stats
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches?dir=D&sort=TOUCHES

touches per game
Giannis 78.9
Lillard 77.1

so basically the same (and if we consider Giannis gets more rebounds, he is passed the ball less)

seconds per touch
Giannis 3.5
Lillard 5.4

so he keeps the ball more. So it is not like he just hoists catch and shoot. (this could be skewed by who brings the ball up though)

then if you look the stats for pnr handlers
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?dir=D&sort=PPP

Giannis 4 possessions for 1.17 points per possession (one of the highest points per possession)
Lillard 10.3 possessions for 1.01 points per possession

by the way Lillard's 10.3 pnr per game is 7th in the league running more pnr than Haliburton and Curry for example

based on the above I disagree that Lillard does not get the ball enough. Surprisingly It seems we should increase further the pnr with Giannis as the ball handler

[jakecronus8]

I just don’t understand the tinkering trades being bandied about.

To me, there’s a few outcomes possible here:
-The Bucks eventually build the chemistry to match the talent they have and look like we all believe they should.
-The Bucks never get the chemistry quite right and miss their goals.
-The Bucks make a huge trade or coaching move to change the makeup of the team.

I’m probably hoping for number three because this team is dangerously old. But a trade of our lesser role players for other flawed role players isn’t changing the fortunes of the team and there’s inherit risk to ruining some of the progress you’re potentially making in building that chemistry.

Guys like Portis and Pat are loved by our two best and most important players. Save for some team randomly valuing them far higher than they should, I think it’s far too risky to move them for non needle movers.

If you think a big changeup is necessary it has to be one of or a combination or trading Khris/Brook or moving on from Griffin. Pinning our hopes on Jae Crowder’s health or a Matisse freaking Thybulle trade is not going to be a smart strategy.

[Baddy Chuck]

so he keeps the ball more. So it is not like he just hoists catch and shoot. (this could be skewed by who brings the ball up though)

These are majorly skewed for point guards.

[RiotPunch]

MKE: Hunter, Mitchell
SAC: Portis, Connaughton
ATL: Barnes, Beauchamp

I’m really interested in this trade. I love Mitchell from a value perspective. I think sac may view him as just salary filler in a trade at this point, and I think he could provide more to us than Jevon ultimately did. That would be a great get.

Hunter, I’m really interested in your thoughts on. He’s had stints of defending some of the elite wings as well as anyone, but it doesn’t seem like his defensive impact has ever fully been all that great. Then on the flip side, he’s been a mostly meh-efficiency offensive player. Is it just motor problems?

I think both dudes would probably benefit from playing alongside Giannis greatly, and there’s considerable upside for us in this deal.

I buy Hunter's defense. 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan allows him to be pretty disruptive. He's not some elite stopper, but he is very solid both on/off ball, and would bother big wings enough to be worth it.

Offensively, the fit is not ideal, but should be fine. He is similar to Khris in that he does his best work in the midrange and can't dribble. Under Snyder he has been getting up more threes, though, and has been shooting 40% on 5 attempts per game. He's streaky, but that's okay for a 5th option on that end.

The biggest concern with him is the injuries. Totally understand that being a turn-off and dealbreaker for people. We don't have amazing options, just risky ones that could pay off.

[ShootingtheJ]

However, Smart is a fraud. He provides nothing.

Defensive Player of the year 2022
3x 1st team all defense

I know there is a bad taste in Bucks fan's mouth with him but he's exactly what we need. His 3p% is a little low but he's shot it well enough in the playoffs the last 4 years that I trust it + he'd be hopefully taking open corner 3s and not pull up defended 3s. I would trade anyone but our big 3 for Smart in a heartbeat.

He was the 4th best defender on his own team the year he won DPOY. The award is a joke. He's barely above average defensively

[ShootingtheJ]

The "Dame needs the ball more" argument is so weird. Portland always played him next to another PG, and Dame always deferred part of the ball handling to CJ and Anfernee.

Dame has other stuff going on right now. His struggles are not for basketball reasons.

[pifhluk23]

Defensive Player of the year 2022
3x 1st team all defense

I know there is a bad taste in Bucks fan's mouth with him but he's exactly what we need. His 3p% is a little low but he's shot it well enough in the playoffs the last 4 years that I trust it + he'd be hopefully taking open corner 3s and not pull up defended 3s. I would trade anyone but our big 3 for Smart in a heartbeat.

He was the 4th best defender on his own team the year he won DPOY. The award is a joke. He's barely above average defensively

In The Athletics Anonymous NBA coaches poll before this season started Smart was voted 2nd team same as Giannis. It's literally consensus by people much smarter about basketball then anyone on this forum that he's a top 1-3 defensive guard in the NBA. It's just a fact. Anyone who doesn't want him on the Bucks is just blind or stupid.

[Ayt]

Defensive Player of the year 2022
3x 1st team all defense

I know there is a bad taste in Bucks fan's mouth with him but he's exactly what we need. His 3p% is a little low but he's shot it well enough in the playoffs the last 4 years that I trust it + he'd be hopefully taking open corner 3s and not pull up defended 3s. I would trade anyone but our big 3 for Smart in a heartbeat.

He was the 4th best defender on his own team the year he won DPOY. The award is a joke. He's barely above average defensively

In The Athletics Anonymous NBA coaches poll before this season started Smart was voted 2nd team same as Giannis. It's literally consensus by people much smarter about basketball then anyone on this forum that he's a top 1-3 defensive guard in the NBA. It's just a fact. Anyone who doesn't want him on the Bucks is just blind or stupid.

Why are you arguing with this person?

[brewbucks]

I just don’t understand the tinkering trades being bandied about.

To me, there’s a few outcomes possible here:
-The Bucks eventually build the chemistry to match the talent they have and look like we all believe they should.
-The Bucks never get the chemistry quite right and miss their goals.
-The Bucks make a huge trade or coaching move to change the makeup of the team.

I’m probably hoping for number three because this team is dangerously old. But a trade of our lesser role players for other flawed role players isn’t changing the fortunes of the team and there’s inherit risk to ruining some of the progress you’re potentially making in building that chemistry.

Guys like Portis and Pat are loved by our two best and most important players. Save for some team randomly valuing them far higher than they should, I think it’s far too risky to move them for non needle movers.

If you think a big changeup is necessary it has to be one of or a combination or trading Khris/Brook or moving on from Griffin. Pinning our hopes on Jae Crowder’s health or a Matisse freaking Thybulle trade is not going to be a smart strategy.

Giannis has to pull a 2018 trade deadline LeBron and cut bait.

[randy84]

so he keeps the ball more. So it is not like he just hoists catch and shoot. (this could be skewed by who brings the ball up though)

These are majorly skewed for point guards.

Point guards should have more touches. Really they should have the most touches on the team. Take a look at the Sixers who have a similar duo to the Bucks.

T. Maxey 86.8 touches
J. Embiid 75.7

[ShootingtheJ]

Defensive Player of the year 2022
3x 1st team all defense

I know there is a bad taste in Bucks fan's mouth with him but he's exactly what we need. His 3p% is a little low but he's shot it well enough in the playoffs the last 4 years that I trust it + he'd be hopefully taking open corner 3s and not pull up defended 3s. I would trade anyone but our big 3 for Smart in a heartbeat.

He was the 4th best defender on his own team the year he won DPOY. The award is a joke. He's barely above average defensively

In The Athletics Anonymous NBA coaches poll before this season started Smart was voted 2nd team same as Giannis. It's literally consensus by people much smarter about basketball then anyone on this forum that he's a top 1-3 defensive guard in the NBA. It's just a fact. Anyone who doesn't want him on the Bucks is just blind or stupid.

Bring some statically supported opinion.

[ShootingtheJ]

so he keeps the ball more. So it is not like he just hoists catch and shoot. (this could be skewed by who brings the ball up though)

These are majorly skewed for point guards.

Point guards should have more touches. Really they should have the most touches on the team. Take a look at the Sixers who have a similar duo to the Bucks.

T. Maxey 86.8 touches
J. Embiid 75.7

What were Dames numbers in Portland?

[Baddy Chuck]

so he keeps the ball more. So it is not like he just hoists catch and shoot. (this could be skewed by who brings the ball up though)

These are majorly skewed for point guards.

Point guards should have more touches. Really they should have the most touches on the team. Take a look at the Sixers who have a similar duo to the Bucks.

T. Maxey 86.8 touches
J. Embiid 75.7

Well yeah, that's my point. If oyu look at that you think Tyrese Maxey dominates the ball for a team like Philly and then you look at something like frontcourt touches where Embiid is at 55 to Maxey's 35 and suddenly you realize a guy bringing the ball up the courts time of possession or touches doesn't matter a whole lot.

[randy84]

These are majorly skewed for point guards.

Point guards should have more touches. Really they should have the most touches on the team. Take a look at the Sixers who have a similar duo to the Bucks.

T. Maxey 86.8 touches
J. Embiid 75.7

What were Dames numbers in Portland?

88.1 touches

[ShootingtheJ]

He was the 4th best defender on his own team the year he won DPOY. The award is a joke. He's barely above average defensively

In The Athletics Anonymous NBA coaches poll before this season started Smart was voted 2nd team same as Giannis. It's literally consensus by people much smarter about basketball then anyone on this forum that he's a top 1-3 defensive guard in the NBA. It's just a fact. Anyone who doesn't want him on the Bucks is just blind or stupid.

Why are you arguing with this person?

In the year Smart won DPOY, the Celtics defense was better when he was on the bench. He must be an elite towel waiver.

[MiltownHawkeye]

He was the 4th best defender on his own team the year he won DPOY. The award is a joke. He's barely above average defensively

In The Athletics Anonymous NBA coaches poll before this season started Smart was voted 2nd team same as Giannis. It's literally consensus by people much smarter about basketball then anyone on this forum that he's a top 1-3 defensive guard in the NBA. It's just a fact. Anyone who doesn't want him on the Bucks is just blind or stupid.

Bring some statically supported opinion.

Hey I just wanted to let you know that the +1 I gave you was a misclick and I'm not sure how to undo it, the idea that Marcus Smart is a below-average defender is extremely stupid

[ShootingtheJ]

In The Athletics Anonymous NBA coaches poll before this season started Smart was voted 2nd team same as Giannis. It's literally consensus by people much smarter about basketball then anyone on this forum that he's a top 1-3 defensive guard in the NBA. It's just a fact. Anyone who doesn't want him on the Bucks is just blind or stupid.

Bring some statically supported opinion.

Hey I just wanted to let you know that the +1 I gave you was a misclick and I'm not sure how to undo it, the idea that Marcus Smart is a below-average defender is extremely stupid

Lol, good thing I never said below average then, I guess you read like you click

[Prez]

Said it in the game thread, but yeah, the idea that Bobby/Pat shouldn't be trade due to chemistry concerns is laughable. I don't give a **** if the teammates like them, they suck, and we're wasting a generational season from a top 15 guy. Get them outta here.

[brewbucks]

Said it in the game thread, but yeah, the idea that Bobby/Pat shouldn't be trade due to chemistry concerns is laughable. I don't give a **** if the teammates like them, they suck, and we're wasting a generational season from a top 15 guy. Get them outta here.

Yep. Bron had no problem trading his boy Wade and the old guard in 2018, so Giannis needs to get with the program and make the demands. It’s a business.

[crowhead76]

Bucks in: DFS, Dennis Smith Jr
Nets in: Bobby, Payne, 2024 2nd