2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3

[TorontoBarneys]

Should probably start looking at prospects in the 8-15 range instead of the top guys.

Just prepare yourselves.

[Psubs]

Unless I’m getting Cooper or VJ I’d rather trade down and hope some team is infatuated with a guy enough to send me a high end return. That way I get maybe another all star level player, and a pick later in the first to select a rock solid upperclassman.

I just don’t know who that team, or player is, or even if it’s possible. The only team I can think of is Phoenix but I’m not sure you get Booker or are ready for Durant yet. The 2019 team worked because we had a roster full of playoff tested guys that just needed a push, but adding KD to a roster of young guys might not make sense yet.

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Ingram - Jakobe - Lawson
SF KD - Mogbo - Battle
PF Barnes - Fleming - Chomche
C NickRichards - Condon - Robinson

[Dalek]

Maybe going to focus on Derick Queen film if things keep trending this way. Getting him at 10-11 might be the best bet at a star later in the draft. Not my favorite but hard to argue touch and production - kind of like Sengun being drafted late.

Queen has the framework for being a hub and in contention for #2 but he also isn't super convincing RN because we need to figure out what kind of athlete he really is and if it's comparable enough to other recent star bigs. A ton of his buckets are unassisted and as the true 5 in Maryland's lineups he's able to hold down the interior with a DRB of 28.7% and his USG goes to 31.7% which is a star player workload. The one wart is that his TOV goes to 20.7% as the true 5 with not enough assists to justify it.

Basically here are the real concerns for Queen:

-athletic testing and eye test needs to check out
-offensive rebounding
-need to verify nature of turnovers

Things that aren't a concern to me:

-being able to play the role of hub 5
-shooting... projects well here although there is still the concern of if he can comfortably extend range. sunk back to back 3s earlier in year. midrange shots aren't falling but is very advanced at generating volume w/ faceup looks.
-blk rate/defense... if you're a legit offensive hub at center blocking shots and even interior defense isn't a big deal if it's just not in your kit

As for assisted buckets compare him to CMB

queen at rim 44.2% assisted
cmb at rim 53.6% assisted
queen non-rim 2s 22.9% assisted
cmb non-rim 2s 35.7% assisted

his assisted numbers are in line with Duke Paolo

paolo at rim 42.5% assisted (-1.8 FG% compared to Queen)
paolo non-rim 2s 21.6% assisted (+3.2 FG% compared to Queen)

everything with queen hinges on whether or not he's really athletic enough for NBA

That's cool that you mentioned Paulo. He was another player I thought of similar to Queen. He has some real creation skill and I see him playmaking being a huge draw for Toronto.

I do look at the defensive advance data and he looks good. Maybe he is too small or heavy to be a shot locker, but he is wide and can strip the ball off guys. He has good hands.

I worry most about the weight. Once he hits the NBA he has to be disciplined and I am not sure if a guy like him holds up well. Thinking of him getting an ankle injury and sitting out a month. Is he going to balloon up?

[Pointgod]

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Well we can probably forget about Tre as well.

This kid is a stud. Am I crazy to think his floor is a shorter Cam Johnson at the worst. Like if nothing else he’s already a really good shooter.

[Syd-TK3]

Well time to start looking more into the Noa Essengue's of the world

[Psubs]

Maybe going to focus on Derick Queen film if things keep trending this way. Getting him at 10-11 might be the best bet at a star later in the draft. Not my favorite but hard to argue touch and production - kind of like Sengun being drafted late.

Queen has the framework for being a hub and in contention for #2 but he also isn't super convincing RN because we need to figure out what kind of athlete he really is and if it's comparable enough to other recent star bigs. A ton of his buckets are unassisted and as the true 5 in Maryland's lineups he's able to hold down the interior with a DRB of 28.7% and his USG goes to 31.7% which is a star player workload. The one wart is that his TOV goes to 20.7% as the true 5 with not enough assists to justify it.

Basically here are the real concerns for Queen:

-athletic testing and eye test needs to check out
-offensive rebounding
-need to verify nature of turnovers

Things that aren't a concern to me:

-being able to play the role of hub 5
-shooting... projects well here although there is still the concern of if he can comfortably extend range. sunk back to back 3s earlier in year. midrange shots aren't falling but is very advanced at generating volume w/ faceup looks.
-blk rate/defense... if you're a legit offensive hub at center blocking shots and even interior defense isn't a big deal if it's just not in your kit

As for assisted buckets compare him to CMB

queen at rim 44.2% assisted
cmb at rim 53.6% assisted
queen non-rim 2s 22.9% assisted
cmb non-rim 2s 35.7% assisted

his assisted numbers are in line with Duke Paolo

paolo at rim 42.5% assisted (-1.8 FG% compared to Queen)
paolo non-rim 2s 21.6% assisted (+3.2 FG% compared to Queen)

everything with queen hinges on whether or not he's really athletic enough for NBA

That's cool that you mentioned Paulo. He was another player I thought of similar to Queen. He has some real creation skill and I see him playmaking being a huge draw for Toronto.

I do look at the defensive advance data and he looks good. Maybe he is too small or heavy to be a shot locker, but he is wide and can strip the ball off guys. He has good hands.

I worry most about the weight. Once he hits the NBA he has to be disciplined and I am not sure if a guy like him holds up well. Thinking of him getting an ankle injury and sitting out a month. Is he going to balloon up?

Only fit I see for Queen is Chicago at #8.

Other than that I don't think any team needs a big that doesn't shoot the 3. He could fall far.

Imma be mad if San Antonio doubles down on #9 Fleming and #10 Condon for 3pt shooting bigs so Wemby never has to play C and get more 3pt shooting to make up for Castle and Fox (shooting 31% on the year and 26% with SA).

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Well we can probably forget about Tre as well.

This kid is a stud. Am I crazy to think his floor is a shorter Cam Johnson at the worst. Like if nothing else he’s already a really good shooter.

I can see him being the best offensive player in this draft. Cooper Flagg 2nd but is better on defense so slightly better player.

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Ingram - Tre - Jakobe
SF KD - Jakobe - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo - KD
C Condon - Mogbo - Chomche

Tre learns humility behind Ingram and KD and works on his overall game, but still gets over 20 mpg off the bench. He lights up G-League games putting up 25 ppg.

[grant101]

Well time to start looking more into the Noa Essengue's of the world

Yep. Unfortunately. Unless Maluach falls, Tre Johnson is likely the only high-lottery level talent on the board at 8-10 and I don't love the fit (I know you should draft BPA, but fit determines whether that player is given the time/context to succeed and we're really crowded at the SG position - particularly for defensively-challenged players).

I like Queen, Saraf, Traore, and Essengue, but their value at that range isn't great, and they all come with big questions. Not the greatest outcome for a lost season.

[LoveMyRaps]

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BRING HIM HOME MASAI!

[BoyzNTheHood]

Well time to start looking more into the Noa Essengue's of the world

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Maybe going to focus on Derick Queen film if things keep trending this way. Getting him at 10-11 might be the best bet at a star later in the draft. Not my favorite but hard to argue touch and production - kind of like Sengun being drafted late.

Queen has the framework for being a hub and in contention for #2 but he also isn't super convincing RN because we need to figure out what kind of athlete he really is and if it's comparable enough to other recent star bigs. A ton of his buckets are unassisted and as the true 5 in Maryland's lineups he's able to hold down the interior with a DRB of 28.7% and his USG goes to 31.7% which is a star player workload. The one wart is that his TOV goes to 20.7% as the true 5 with not enough assists to justify it.

Basically here are the real concerns for Queen:

-athletic testing and eye test needs to check out
-offensive rebounding
-need to verify nature of turnovers

Things that aren't a concern to me:

-being able to play the role of hub 5
-shooting... projects well here although there is still the concern of if he can comfortably extend range. sunk back to back 3s earlier in year. midrange shots aren't falling but is very advanced at generating volume w/ faceup looks.
-blk rate/defense... if you're a legit offensive hub at center blocking shots and even interior defense isn't a big deal if it's just not in your kit

As for assisted buckets compare him to CMB

queen at rim 44.2% assisted
cmb at rim 53.6% assisted
queen non-rim 2s 22.9% assisted
cmb non-rim 2s 35.7% assisted

his assisted numbers are in line with Duke Paolo

paolo at rim 42.5% assisted (-1.8 FG% compared to Queen)
paolo non-rim 2s 21.6% assisted (+3.2 FG% compared to Queen)

everything with queen hinges on whether or not he's really athletic enough for NBA

That's cool that you mentioned Paulo. He was another player I thought of similar to Queen. He has some real creation skill and I see him playmaking being a huge draw for Toronto.

I do look at the defensive advance data and he looks good. Maybe he is too small or heavy to be a shot locker, but he is wide and can strip the ball off guys. He has good hands.

I worry most about the weight. Once he hits the NBA he has to be disciplined and I am not sure if a guy like him holds up well. Thinking of him getting an ankle injury and sitting out a month. Is he going to balloon up?

the problem is that he's not as athletic, he's older and he's not shooting a ton of 3s all of which are a big deal if you're making an outright comparison. but there are some similarities in their profiles still when it comes to 2pt self-creation volume, stock rates and facilitating potential.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

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BRING HIM HOME MASAI!

masai just wanted an excuse to pick up some perfume for his wife

[Pointgod]

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Well we can probably forget about Tre as well.

This kid is a stud. Am I crazy to think his floor is a shorter Cam Johnson at the worst. Like if nothing else he’s already a really good shooter.

I can see him being the best offensive player in this draft. Cooper Flagg 2nd but is better on defense so slightly better player.

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Ingram - Tre - Jakobe
SF KD - Jakobe - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo - KD
C Condon - Mogbo - Chomche

Tre learns humility behind Ingram and KD and works on his overall game, but still gets over 20 mpg off the bench. He lights up G-League games putting up 25 ppg.

I was with you until I saw KD. Hell no! Horrible match for this team plus he’d never come here. If we drafted Tre I would just start him and trade RJ. Tre would be one of our best shooters as soon as he was drafted.

[LoveMyRaps]

This kid is a stud. Am I crazy to think his floor is a shorter Cam Johnson at the worst. Like if nothing else he’s already a really good shooter.

I can see him being the best offensive player in this draft. Cooper Flagg 2nd but is better on defense so slightly better player.

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Ingram - Tre - Jakobe
SF KD - Jakobe - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo - KD
C Condon - Mogbo - Chomche

Tre learns humility behind Ingram and KD and works on his overall game, but still gets over 20 mpg off the bench. He lights up G-League games putting up 25 ppg.

I was with you until I saw KD. Hell no! Horrible match for this team plus he’d never come here. If we drafted Tre I would just start him and trade RJ. Tre would be one of our best shooters as soon as he was drafted.

How is KD a horrible match for this team?

[BoyzNTheHood]

I can see him being the best offensive player in this draft. Cooper Flagg 2nd but is better on defense so slightly better player.

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Ingram - Tre - Jakobe
SF KD - Jakobe - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo - KD
C Condon - Mogbo - Chomche

Tre learns humility behind Ingram and KD and works on his overall game, but still gets over 20 mpg off the bench. He lights up G-League games putting up 25 ppg.

I was with you until I saw KD. Hell no! Horrible match for this team plus he’d never come here. If we drafted Tre I would just start him and trade RJ. Tre would be one of our best shooters as soon as he was drafted.

How is KD a horrible match for this team?

The only thing I can think of is because he’s in the later stages of his career, and I’m not sure we’re at the level to acquire a guy like him yet.

Otherwise KD fits into any roster.

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BRING HIM HOME MASAI!

masai just wanted an excuse to pick up some perfume for his wife

I would go to France every year too, to "scout". What's the guy that some really liked that ended up lower , early 2nd round and didn't make it because he couldn't shoot.

[LoveMyRaps]

I was with you until I saw KD. Hell no! Horrible match for this team plus he’d never come here. If we drafted Tre I would just start him and trade RJ. Tre would be one of our best shooters as soon as he was drafted.

How is KD a horrible match for this team?

The only thing I can think of is because he’s in the later stages of his career, and I’m not sure we’re at the level to acquire a guy like him yet.

Otherwise KD fits into any roster.

I could care less about his age, he's still one of the best players in the league (top 15 at the very least).
Adding him to this lineup (or any team for that matter) would help tremendously and he'd automatically be our best player by far.

He'll be an efficient 25ppg scorer until he's 40. I'd be elated if we added KD.

He also loves Toronto and is bestfriends with Drake.

We'd be legit contenders with core four of IQ/Durant/Ingram/Barnes

[Psubs]

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Here's an old video of Condon playing with Zikarski. He's so quick and great lateral quickness to guard the PnR like a SF, then ends up at the rim for the block like a C. Runs the court like Bosh. Has nimble footwork with the Pascal spin move in the key.


On another note, is Moustapha Thiam a 7'2 version of Thomas Sorber that can shoot 3's at least average? Sorber just had foot surgery as is now a DND because of it.

Even 9 months ago, he has a back to the basket game, a turn around middy and 3pt shot.

Watch on YouTube

[bluerap23]

How is KD a horrible match for this team?

The only thing I can think of is because he’s in the later stages of his career, and I’m not sure we’re at the level to acquire a guy like him yet.

Otherwise KD fits into any roster.

I could care less about his age, he's still one of the best players in the league (top 15 at the very least).
Adding him to this lineup (or any team for that matter) would help tremendously and he'd automatically be our best player by far.

He'll be an efficient 25ppg scorer until he's 40. I'd be elated if we added KD.

He also loves Toronto and is bestfriends with Drake.

We'd be legit contenders with core four of IQ/Durant/Ingram/Barnes

I'm Giannis or bust

[dohboy_24]

Should probably start looking at prospects in the 8-15 range instead of the top guys.

Just prepare yourselves.

Umm... the math ain't mathing...

First of all, the draft lottery is the first 14 picks. Pick #15 is awarded to the worst team that still makes the playoffs.

Depending on where we end up in the draft lottery standings, the ping-pong balls could put us in the 7-8-9 range of the draft after the lottery, but it's going to be nearly impossible for us to end up with a pick in the #10 to #14 range.

To end the season at #15 in the draft lottery standings, the Raptors would have to finish with a better record than Chicago (+4 wins ahead of us), Atlanta (+8 wins ahead of us), and Orlando (+9 wins ahead of us) to secure the #8 spot in the Eastern conference and avoid the draft lottery altogether.

Considering the above, there is a 0% chance we end the season at #15 in the draft lottery standings and end up with the #15 pick as a result.

To end the season at #14 in the draft lottery standings, the Raptors would have to defy the lottery system entirely since the LA Clippers are currently in the 14th spot with a 32-29 record and winning more games than them would likely put us ahead of both Orlando and Miami in the standings, securing the #7 spot in the Eastern conference in the process and avoiding the draft lottery altogether.

Considering the above, there is a 0% chance we end the season at #14 in the draft lottery standings and end up with the #14 pick as a result.

To end the season at #13 in the draft lottery standings, the Raptors would have to defy the lottery system entirely since Dallas is currently in the 13th spot with a 32-30 record and winning more games than them would likely put us ahead of Orlando and/or Miami in the standings, securing either the #7 or #8 spot in the Eastern conference in the process and avoiding the draft lottery altogether.

Considering the above, there is a 0% chance we end the season at #13 in the draft lottery standings and end up with the #13 or #14 pick as a result.

To end the season at #12 in the draft lottery standings, the Raptors would have to defy the lottery system entirely since Phoenix is currently in the 12th spot with a 29-33 record and winning more games than them would likely put us ahead of Orlando and/or Miami in the standings, securing either the #7 or #8 spot in the Eastern conference in the process and avoiding the draft lottery altogether.

Considering the above, there is a 0% chance we end the season at #12 in the draft lottery standings and end up with the #12, #13, or #14 pick as a result.

To end the season at #11 in the draft lottery standings, the Raptors would have to defy the lottery system entirely since Atlanta/Portland are currently tied for the 11th spot with a 28-34 record and winning more games than them would likely put us ahead of Orlando in the standings, securing the #8 spot in the Eastern conference in the process and avoiding the draft lottery altogether.

Considering the above, there is a 0% chance we end the season at #11 in the draft lottery standings and end up with the #11, #12, #13, or #14 pick as a result.

To end the season at #10 in the draft lottery standings, the Raptors would have to defy the lottery system entirely since Atlanta/Portland are currently tied for the 10th spot with a 28-34 record and winning more games than them would likely put us ahead of Orlando in the standings, securing the #8 spot in the Eastern conference in the process and avoiding the draft lottery altogether.

Considering the above, there is a 0% chance we end the season at #10 in the draft lottery standings and end up with the #10, #11, #12, #13, or #14 pick as a result.

To end the season at #9 in the draft lottery standings, the Raptors would have to finish with a better record than San Antonio (+6 wins ahead of us) but doing so would also put us ahead of Chicago (+4 wins ahead of us) in the standings, securing the #10 spot in the Eastern conference in the process and an invite to the play-in tournament.

Should we end the season at #9 in the draft lottery standings, there is a 29% chance we could end up with the #10, #11, #12, or #13 pick and a 0% chance we could end up with the #14 pick.

To end the season at #8 in the draft lottery standings, the Raptors would have to finish with a better record than Chicago (+4 wins ahead of us) but doing so would secure the #10 spot in the Eastern conference in the process and an invite to the play-in tournament.

Should we end the season at #8 in the draft lottery standings, there is a 7% chance we could end up with the #10, #11, or #12 pick and a 0% chance we could end up with the #13 or #14 pick.

To end the season at #7 in the draft lottery standings, the Raptors would have to end the season with a better record than Brooklyn/Philadelphia (+1 wins ahead of us) but not Chicago (+4 wins ahead of us).

Should we end the season at #7 in the draft lottery standings, there is a 1.3% chance we could end up with the #10 or #11 pick and a 0% chance we could end up with the #12, #13, or #14 pick.

To end the season at #6 in the draft lottery standings, the Raptors would have to end the season with a better record than Brooklyn/Philadelphia (+1 wins ahead of us) but not Chicago (+4 wins ahead of us).

Should we end the season at #6 in the draft lottery standings, there is a 0.2% chance we could end up with the #10 pick and a 0% chance we could end up with the #11, #12, #13, or #14 pick.