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GONYK wrote:DisgustingContext wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:This f**king ENRAGES ME!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/18/hundreds-armed-counter-protesters-confront-black-lives-matter-event-bethel-ohio
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Phish Tank wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:When are we going to fight back already????
Enough!!!
Peaceful means are not going to help good overcome evil. We have to start fighting back. Every time I drive by or come across some right wing trump supporter I let them have it with my words.. this isn't the time for words anymore. This is the time to fight back against what is wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME we encounter it.. all of us. There will always be strength un numbers. The kids started it and now it's time for all generations to fight back.
I've been saying for some time that protestors should march armed in states where possible. I loved it when the Black Panthers marched in Atlanta... I wanna see something like that in Ohio & other red states to scare those tiny hand hicks.
2010 wrote:GONYK wrote:DisgustingContext wrote:?s=20
That was done in front of, not one, but TWO cops. There is a cop in front of the victim and one lurking behind the victim who walks up into the frame at the end.
2010 wrote:GONYK wrote:DisgustingContext wrote:?s=20
That was done in front of, not one, but TWO cops. There is a cop in front of the victim and one lurking behind the victim who walks up into the frame at the end.
ibraheim718 wrote:When are we going to fight back already????
Enough!!!
Peaceful means are not going to help good overcome evil. We have to start fighting back. Every time I drive by or come across some right wing trump supporter I let them have it with my words.. this isn't the time for words anymore. This is the time to fight back against what is wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME we encounter it.. all of us. There will always be strength un numbers. The kids started it and now it's time for all generations to fight back.
E-Balla wrote:Pointgod wrote:Come you should know that when you’re speaking with me I don’t post anything that I haven’t done research on or don’t have facts to back it up. You’re right Black voter turnout was high when Obama was on the ballot or if there are black candidates, but that type of turnout needs to be consistent and high for all elections and all Democratic candidates. For example turnout went down between 2012 and 2016.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2019/09/12/setting-the-record-straight-on-black-voter-turnout/
I mean... We're not going to pretend there's not obvious reasons for that (voter suppression) not to mention the fact that Democrats don't ever really try to get our votes. It's impressive turnout is that high based on nothing but moral obligation.In fact, Black voter turnout was within 1 percentage point of whites in 2008 (65.2% compared to 66.1%) and was actually higher than whites in 2012 (66.6% compared to 64.1%). In 2016, voter turnout for Blacks dipped to 59.6%. While that number was lower than whites (65.3%), it was still higher than Asians (49.3%) and Hispanics (47.6%).
The article brings up a lot of the same valid points you bring up about voter suppression and I’ll always **** on the racist Republican tactics like voter suppression and gerrymandering, unfortunately that means black people need to show up in higher numbers to put people in office that will get rid of those laws (and you guys are so close)
You don't win rigged games by playing them. And again none of this changes the fact that black voters have been king makers in the Democratic Party and the politicians still don't care about us.
Best case scenario black people vote more and we have Hillary as president. George Floyd is still dead. Police violence still high. White supremacy still reigns.What can’t happen is what happened in 2010.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/us/in-black-vote-democrats-see-lifeline-for-midterms.html
Now I’m not going to blame losing any election on black voter turnout. Keep in mind, this was before Shelby vs Holder so this can’t be attributed to dismantling the voting rights act. Organizations like the DNC are also to blame in these cases but like I said, look at Evangelicals, they vote with intensity and wield their political power like a weapon. You can’t wield power if you sit out of voting.
The Democrats didn’t shut down the government for DACA. Remember Schumer offered Trump 20 billion for the wall for DACA provisions. Trump is just such a **** moron that he chose to shutdown the government instead of taking the deal. I’m sure activists would have hated the Democrats for that deal but that’s the reality when you don’t have political power. The DACA deal didn’t just help Hispanic people, there are also black DACA recipients, fighting for those protections was the right thing to do. Democrats have power now in Congress and they’ve moved quickly on police reforms. Again it doesn’t go far enough, but as long as Mitch McConnell runs the Senate options are limited. That’s why the voting needs to happen to take back the Senate and Presidency. And if that happens the pressure on the Democrats needs to remain to ensure they push as far as they can. But to do that black voters need to demonstrate voting power.
Bro Trump held out asking for more. Democrats said no. That's shutting down for DACA. Black voters need to vote just to maintain what we have. Never have we gained from voting.
BallSacBounce wrote:E-Balla wrote:Pointgod wrote:Come you should know that when you’re speaking with me I don’t post anything that I haven’t done research on or don’t have facts to back it up. You’re right Black voter turnout was high when Obama was on the ballot or if there are black candidates, but that type of turnout needs to be consistent and high for all elections and all Democratic candidates. For example turnout went down between 2012 and 2016.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2019/09/12/setting-the-record-straight-on-black-voter-turnout/
I mean... We're not going to pretend there's not obvious reasons for that (voter suppression) not to mention the fact that Democrats don't ever really try to get our votes. It's impressive turnout is that high based on nothing but moral obligation.
The article brings up a lot of the same valid points you bring up about voter suppression and I’ll always **** on the racist Republican tactics like voter suppression and gerrymandering, unfortunately that means black people need to show up in higher numbers to put people in office that will get rid of those laws (and you guys are so close)
You don't win rigged games by playing them. And again none of this changes the fact that black voters have been king makers in the Democratic Party and the politicians still don't care about us.
Best case scenario black people vote more and we have Hillary as president. George Floyd is still dead. Police violence still high. White supremacy still reigns.
Bro Trump held out asking for more. Democrats said no. That's shutting down for DACA. Black voters need to vote just to maintain what we have. Never have we gained from voting.
Man you guys live in bizarro world. WTF do you use for news sources? Trump asked for 5.7 billion for the Wall in exchange for Daca protections. The Democrats rejected it outright without trying to negotiate the number down and the DACA rights up.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c434eebe4b0a8dbe171dc57
BallSacBounce wrote:E-Balla wrote:Pointgod wrote:Come you should know that when you’re speaking with me I don’t post anything that I haven’t done research on or don’t have facts to back it up. You’re right Black voter turnout was high when Obama was on the ballot or if there are black candidates, but that type of turnout needs to be consistent and high for all elections and all Democratic candidates. For example turnout went down between 2012 and 2016.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2019/09/12/setting-the-record-straight-on-black-voter-turnout/
I mean... We're not going to pretend there's not obvious reasons for that (voter suppression) not to mention the fact that Democrats don't ever really try to get our votes. It's impressive turnout is that high based on nothing but moral obligation.
The article brings up a lot of the same valid points you bring up about voter suppression and I’ll always **** on the racist Republican tactics like voter suppression and gerrymandering, unfortunately that means black people need to show up in higher numbers to put people in office that will get rid of those laws (and you guys are so close)
You don't win rigged games by playing them. And again none of this changes the fact that black voters have been king makers in the Democratic Party and the politicians still don't care about us.
Best case scenario black people vote more and we have Hillary as president. George Floyd is still dead. Police violence still high. White supremacy still reigns.
Bro Trump held out asking for more. Democrats said no. That's shutting down for DACA. Black voters need to vote just to maintain what we have. Never have we gained from voting.
Man you guys live in bizarro world. WTF do you use for news sources? Trump asked for 5.7 billion for the Wall in exchange for Daca protections. The Democrats rejected it outright without trying to negotiate the number down and the DACA rights up.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c434eebe4b0a8dbe171dc57
Trump-Schumer negotiations: In January 2018, Mr. Trump met with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) for 90 minutes, with then-chief of staff John Kelly the only White House aide present. Mr. Schumer offered the president $25 billion over an unspecified period to be used for a border wall, paired with a path to citizenship for the young immigrants.
HarthorneWingo wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:When are we going to fight back already????
Enough!!!
Peaceful means are not going to help good overcome evil. We have to start fighting back. Every time I drive by or come across some right wing trump supporter I let them have it with my words.. this isn't the time for words anymore. This is the time to fight back against what is wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME we encounter it.. all of us. There will always be strength un numbers. The kids started it and now it's time for all generations to fight back.
Start exercising your 2nd Amendment right because they are beyond armed. We aren't. This is why I think that the black king pins have to organize and recruit. They're the ones with the black market (no pun) connections and heavy artillery. Bring in ANTIFA and other groups who are willing to join the revolution because I guarantee you that these crazy alt-right white supremacists douche bags are not going to stop showing up at protests and killing/intimdating folks. They are too dumb and ignorant. Like the republicans, they must be broken. Ronald Reagan started this racist movement by beginning his 1980 presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi with his "states' rights" speech. It's been downhill ever since.
robillionaire wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:When are we going to fight back already????
Enough!!!
Peaceful means are not going to help good overcome evil. We have to start fighting back. Every time I drive by or come across some right wing trump supporter I let them have it with my words.. this isn't the time for words anymore. This is the time to fight back against what is wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME we encounter it.. all of us. There will always be strength un numbers. The kids started it and now it's time for all generations to fight back.
Start exercising your 2nd Amendment right because they are beyond armed. We aren't. This is why I think that the black king pins have to organize and recruit. They're the ones with the black market (no pun) connections and heavy artillery. Bring in ANTIFA and other groups who are willing to join the revolution because I guarantee you that these crazy alt-right white supremacists douche bags are not going to stop showing up at protests and killing/intimdating folks. They are too dumb and ignorant. Like the republicans, they must be broken. Ronald Reagan started this racist movement by beginning his 1980 presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi with his "states' rights" speech. It's been downhill ever since.
I agree, (I mentioned that reagan philadelphia mississippi thing on the first page of this thread, ironic now trump is doing his thing today in Tulsa of all places on juneteenth of all days). hopefully what we are seeing now will evolve into an organized mass movement maybe something like a vanguard party to come from it. If we let the energy get co-opted, it's over. The riots have been effective and accomplished a lot, I've never disapproved of them. But I believe there are also certain limitations to how far you can get with sporadic rioting and protesting alone without a unified message and true group solidarity
Re: guns, we also have to recognize that becoming armed involves privilege because the 2nd amendment was never meant to apply to black people and it makes them more vulnerable, when black people start to get armed and organized and start to try to open carry that's when the NRA suddenly demands targeted gun control they start up targeted assassinations like they did Fred Hampton for example and they enact gun control bills like the Reagan signed Mulford act. There are many cases where police kill black people who are legally armed, you don't hear a peep from gun rights proponents who will never criticize the police. So we need to cultivate and support our own advocacy organizations.
Any gun bans would just take away the ability of self-defense against the white supremacist militias. Any gun control suggestion coming from liberals should start with disarming cops and any discussion of gun violence should start with the gun violence perpetrated by the police or I'm not interested. When put into practice these laws would disproportionately target black people just like the war on drugs did. And the architect of the crime bill might wind up being the president, so I wouldn't trust it. On the other hand with Trump, decent chance he will just put his political opponents on terrorist watch lists and they will no longer be able to buy a gun. He just ran a re-election campaign ad yesterday displaying a symbol of an upside down red triangle in relation to cracking down on anti-fascists (this is the symbol nazis used for political dissidents in concentration camps) and facebook had to remove it for hate speech. They know what they are signaling and when someone tells you who they are we probably should believe them.
Viva le revelution HarthorneWingo wrote:robillionaire wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
Start exercising your 2nd Amendment right because they are beyond armed. We aren't. This is why I think that the black king pins have to organize and recruit. They're the ones with the black market (no pun) connections and heavy artillery. Bring in ANTIFA and other groups who are willing to join the revolution because I guarantee you that these crazy alt-right white supremacists douche bags are not going to stop showing up at protests and killing/intimdating folks. They are too dumb and ignorant. Like the republicans, they must be broken. Ronald Reagan started this racist movement by beginning his 1980 presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi with his "states' rights" speech. It's been downhill ever since.
I agree, (I mentioned that reagan philadelphia mississippi thing on the first page of this thread, ironic now trump is doing his thing today in Tulsa of all places on juneteenth of all days). hopefully what we are seeing now will evolve into an organized mass movement maybe something like a vanguard party to come from it. If we let the energy get co-opted, it's over. The riots have been effective and accomplished a lot, I've never disapproved of them. But I believe there are also certain limitations to how far you can get with sporadic rioting and protesting alone without a unified message and true group solidarity
Re: guns, we also have to recognize that becoming armed involves privilege because the 2nd amendment was never meant to apply to black people and it makes them more vulnerable, when black people start to get armed and organized and start to try to open carry that's when the NRA suddenly demands targeted gun control they start up targeted assassinations like they did Fred Hampton for example and they enact gun control bills like the Reagan signed Mulford act. There are many cases where police kill black people who are legally armed, you don't hear a peep from gun rights proponents who will never criticize the police. So we need to cultivate and support our own advocacy organizations.
Any gun bans would just take away the ability of self-defense against the white supremacist militias. Any gun control suggestion coming from liberals should start with disarming cops and any discussion of gun violence should start with the gun violence perpetrated by the police or I'm not interested. When put into practice these laws would disproportionately target black people just like the war on drugs did. And the architect of the crime bill might wind up being the president, so I wouldn't trust it. On the other hand with Trump, decent chance he will just put his political opponents on terrorist watch lists and they will no longer be able to buy a gun. He just ran a re-election campaign ad yesterday displaying a symbol of an upside down red triangle in relation to cracking down on anti-fascists (this is the symbol nazis used for political dissidents in concentration camps) and facebook had to remove it for hate speech. They know what they are signaling and when someone tells you who they are we probably should believe them.
You're clearly well-studied and correct about the gun issue. Thanks.
Ibrahim got me all jacked up!
Fat Kat wrote:2010 wrote:GONYK wrote:Disgusting
That was done in front of, not one, but TWO cops. There is a cop in front of the victim and one lurking behind the victim who walks up into the frame at the end.
The more things change......
