[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[KnickScoop]

And incase you guys didnt know. LALA is in town for a couple of days and she was on Power 105.1 With the Breakfast Club this morning. They Talked Carmelo.
http://www.power1051fm.com/pages/onair/breakfast-club/?uri=channels/449330/1181870

can someone recap... im at work and cant listen

[BowlRips]

I would like to point out that while most people on the board are obsessed with talking about how putrid our defense/overall rebounding is (which their is no denying), why is it that people do not get on our inconsistent offense more when in reality that is a clear problem as well. I mentioned earlier that outside of Amare and Gallo (at times), are the only 2 players who will frequently be able to get to the line. It almost feels like our offense is pass Amare the ball at the elbow, space the shooters out and either he is going to drive to the hoop in double coverage, or we are going to attempt a 3 (second in the league in that area). Every night going into a game I obviously worry about our defense, yet Its seems to be up in the air in terms of what offensive contributions we are going to get from Felton, Gallo, and Chandler, even Fields (although he is a rookie.)

The bottom line is because the Knicks rely heavily on 3's (again this goes back to not having enough players who can create their own shot/get to the line) we have established ourselves simply as a team of streaks. We are going to get hot for a stretch of games, and then cold as well. Dating back we lose 6 in a row in early November, come back and win 8 in a row in early December, then lose 3, win 2, lose 2, and win 3. It is really scary that we are in this type of pattern. Couple this in with losses at home to the clippers and sacramento, and on the road at minnesota, milwaukee, and the Cavs (last win was against us), this 2010-2011 Knick team is so inconsistent offensively (how many times have you heard Clyde and Breen talking about coming out completely flat). Believe me, I love how Mozgov is finally getting minutes at Center, and Amare at least for now moved back to the PF slot. But even with the addition of a true backup PG, and another big to log some minutes for rebounding/being a presence down low, we still are going to have a flawed offense.

Exactly, and because of the inconsistencies of Felton, Chandler and Gallo it seems that either we show up one night or we play like complete sh*t. If we were more consistant of offense, our defense wouldnt be problematic.

I guess its hard to understand because were implemented with the idea that you can't win games without playing good defense. But I think once you get Melo the Knicks offense will be extremely efficient and we will be able to get by playing average defense with our offensive efficiency.

Regardless, watched the Nuggets Warriors game last night. Melo played extremely well. He barely misses midrange and gets the ball to the basket.
For some reason he sat the whole fourth quarter up til 4 mins left? He couldve put up 40 easily, especially with the pace of the game

[I_Love_NYK]

Knicks are going to have to take on salary to get this deal done. Would Chris Andersen be available? He has 4 years left on his contract.

[louieOrr]

Regardless, watched the Nuggets Warriors game last night. Melo played extremely well. He barely misses midrange and gets the ball to the basket.
For some reason he sat the whole fourth quarter up til 4 mins left? He couldve put up 40 easily, especially with the pace of the game

I also thought it was interesting how JR ignored Melo when he called for the ball on the last possession.

[thehandler3]

Regardless, watched the Nuggets Warriors game last night. Melo played extremely well. He barely misses midrange and gets the ball to the basket.
For some reason he sat the whole fourth quarter up til 4 mins left? He couldve put up 40 easily, especially with the pace of the game

I also thought it was interesting how JR ignored Melo when he called for the ball on the last possession.

that could have been Jordan calling for the ball on the wing, J.R. Smith is not passing the ball.

[smw6230]

Knicks are going to have to take on salary to get this deal done. Would Chris Andersen be available? He has 4 years left on his contract.

I would take on a bad contract (Andersen/Harrington) to get the deal done. The reason is because Stern himself wants a clause in the new CBA that doesn't kill teams for an Eddy Curry type signing mistake. Stern realizes that under the old CBA rules a team was hamstrung for years if they made a mistake signing a player who then proved untradeable. So in the next CBA there will likely be some formula or tag that a club can put on a bad contract that allows them to recover and overcome a bad contract.

[captain subtext]

It would still have to be seen if that out clause will be available for contracts signed under the old CBA.

[Thugger HBC]

Knicks are going to have to take on salary to get this deal done. Would Chris Andersen be available? He has 4 years left on his contract.

I would take on a bad contract (Andersen/Harrington) to get the deal done. The reason is because Stern himself wants a clause in the new CBA that doesn't kill teams for an Eddy Curry type signing mistake. Stern realizes that under the old CBA rules a team was hamstrung for years if they made a mistake signing a player who then proved untradeable. So in the next CBA there will likely be some formula or tag that a club can put on a bad contract that allows them to recover and overcome a bad contract.

I agree I would take on Al or Birdamn to get Melo.

They both have MLE type contracts, they can be moved for something else if need be.

[towelie]

This is how I construe Carmelo's comments that he'd "take a long hard look" at the extension.

We all know he missed shootaround with the Nuggets on Monday, supposedly to meet with the Nuggets FO. The last time he missed shootaround for "personal reasons" was after the Nets/Prokhorov pulled out of the deal.

If I had to speculate, there are only two possible conversations he could've had with the Nuggets' FO in their meeting:

1) They tried to convince Melo one last time to stay in Denver -- gauge his interest in resigning,
AND/OR
2) They told him that if he wanted to be a Knick, they'd be willing to trade him there, but Carmelo had to play ball -- that is, he had to stop making any sort of comments that reduce Denver's leverage in the situation. If you read the Vecsey article on the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar trade (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_spo ... NkbdEfPIfP), it's the same thing the Bucks had told KAJ.

So if #2 did happen, no surprise, the very next day at shootaround, Melo tells reporters that he'd take a "long hard look" at the extension.

To me, it's an obvious ploy to gain leverage against NY, and likely requested by Denver's management. I don't think Carmelo's actually wavering, as KnicksGod suggested in the previous thread, but it's a statement (conveniently timed after his meeting with the FO) to get NY to cough up more assets. Regardless of whether Donnie flinches though, I still feel a deal will eventually get done by the deadline with NY.

[seren]

Melo is only meaningful if we still have a chance to get after CP3 or Deron. So no to bad contracts.

[god shammgod]

Melo is only meaningful if we still have a chance to get after CP3 or Deron. So no to bad contracts.

right. cause alone he won't help us. (somebody help me, which smilie represents cuckoo bird crazy)

[Pedro Pistolas]

I think i'd give them chandler and fields , yes we wont have any shootin guards but I think it's important to have another scoring option behind amare, melo, felton

IT ALSO SUCKS THAT WE COULDN'T RAISE RANDOLPH'S VALUE!!!
because if we did I guarantee you he would have been in the trade instead of fields or Gallo

[seren]

Melo is only meaningful if we still have a chance to get after CP3 or Deron. So no to bad contracts.

right. cause alone he won't help us. (somebody help me, which smilie represents cuckoo bird crazy)

In all honesty, he does not help us if he is the ends. The objective is to put a team out there to win a championship. I am sorry, but I don't see how Amare, Melo, Felton, and bunch of minimum players and headcases will be better than Miami or Boston or Orlando.

[thehandler3]

Melo is only meaningful if we still have a chance to get after CP3 or Deron. So no to bad contracts.

right. cause alone he won't help us. (somebody help me, which smilie represents cuckoo bird crazy)

to say it's "only meaningful" to get Melo if we get CP3 or Deron is far-fetched but I agree with the notion that taking back a bad contract would hinder our chances at significanty improving our team besides taking back Melo. Melo, Amare, Felton +a combination or one of Gallo/Chandler/Fields probably still isn't better than how Miami will be constructed next year unless Mozgov develops into a true starting center.

[thehandler3]

Melo is only meaningful if we still have a chance to get after CP3 or Deron. So no to bad contracts.

right. cause alone he won't help us. (somebody help me, which smilie represents cuckoo bird crazy)

to say it's "only meaningful" to get Melo if we get CP3 or Deron is far-fetched but I agree with the notion that taking back a bad contract would hinder our chances at significanty improving our team besides taking back Melo. Melo, Amare, Felton +a combination or one of Gallo/Chandler/Fields probably still isn't better than how Miami will be constructed next year unless Mozgov develops into a true starting center.

[god shammgod]

Melo is only meaningful if we still have a chance to get after CP3 or Deron. So no to bad contracts.

right. cause alone he won't help us. (somebody help me, which smilie represents cuckoo bird crazy)

In all honesty, he does not help us if he is the ends. The objective is to put a team out there to win a championship. I am sorry, but I don't see how Amare, Melo, Felton, and bunch of minimum players and headcases will be better than Miami or Boston or Orlando.

what headcases & minimum players ? we'll have the same team as now except either 1 or 2 of the 3 youngsters will be gone.

[Jitpal]

A lot of the posts on this board and especially this thread make me lately. -Jitpal

[Blades Finest]

We're only losing 1 or 2 rotation players..the rest headline the bench...

[seren]

right. cause alone he won't help us. (somebody help me, which smilie represents cuckoo bird crazy)

In all honesty, he does not help us if he is the ends. The objective is to put a team out there to win a championship. I am sorry, but I don't see how Amare, Melo, Felton, and bunch of minimum players and headcases will be better than Miami or Boston or Orlando.

what headcases & minimum players ? we'll have the same team as now except either 1 or 2 of the 3 youngsters will be gone.

1) This team is not winning a ring. The reason we like our young players are they gave us flexibility to add more. 2) How is it the same team? You will have two of Fields, Gallo, and Chandler gone. Instead you would have Al Harrington in. Amare, Melo, Felton, one of those three, Mozgov, Al (the headcase), and bunch of minimum players are not winning a championship plus we will be capped out.

[Truekillerb]

Does anyone else think with melo thinking bout the reason he is sayin he might sign an extension with denver... so denver thinks they have chance so they dnt trade him which means knicks stay with all there pieces and melo will jus sign as a free agent... his statement makes them think if they should even trade him