Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups

[GONYK]

Depends on who the two are. We still don't have anyone who can run the offense, whereas Dallas had two of the top facilitators in the game.

Confused. Who is the other one besides Kidd?

Same here

Dirk. They ran the entire offense through him against Miami

[GONYK]

Chauncey Billups was a finals MVP. He's not exactly the same player, but Kidd is also a shell of his former self now.[/code] Prime Chauncey was never even in Kidd's stratosphere as far as facilitating. Chauncey provides leadership and tempo control. He's not on Kidd's level as a playmaker for others.

Melo has the ability to facilitate as much as Dirk too. Dirk was never known for his passing. Melo has the ability to go nuts in the playoffs too

Melo has never proven it whereas Dirk has on the game's highest stage. So really, it is just your opinion that Melo has the ability to facilitate as well as Dirk.

We are def missing pieces. Its just that as soon as someone tries to come up with a set formula to win, a team like the Mavs or Pistons will win.

Biggest piece we are missing is def some interior presence though...

I agree we need an interior defender. There is no set formula to win, but I think one thing that is not negotiable is you need one of the best playmaker/facilitators in the game to win, no matter what position it comes from. Without that, you have no shot. We don't have a proven one right now.

[NYman15]

The Knicks definitely need a big man who can clog the paint and grab rebounds. A guy like Tyson Chandler or Dalembert. They could go that route and get a big man and spend some more money on good role players or go after the 3rd star like Cp3 or Dwight or Deron, depending on the new CBA.

[br7knicks]

Depends on who the two are. We still don't have anyone who can run the offense, whereas Dallas had two of the top facilitators in the game.

Confused. Who is the other one besides Kidd?

Same here

i'd say dirk

[MaseInYourFace]

So because Dallas won that way it is now the only way to do it? There are several ways to tame the lion. And I gotta say while Billups is indeed past his prime hes still a pretty darn good player, some of you are too dismissive of him.

[GONYK]

So because Dallas won that way it is now the only way to do it? There are several ways to tame the lion. And I gotta say while Billups is indeed past his prime hes still a pretty darn good player, some of you are too dismissive of him.

No one said he wasn't. But he's not a third piece, nor is he one of the top facilitators in the game. He may be good, but he's not going to be what makes us into a true contender.

[MaseInYourFace]

So because Dallas won that way it is now the only way to do it? There are several ways to tame the lion. And I gotta say while Billups is indeed past his prime hes still a pretty darn good player, some of you are too dismissive of him.

No one said he wasn't. But he's not a third piece, nor is he one of the top facilitators in the game. He may be good, but he's not going to be what makes us into a true contender.

Didnt say he was. But we already have two big pieces. There are plenty of title teams that were built around two big pieces and a good supporting cast.

[GONYK]

So because Dallas won that way it is now the only way to do it? There are several ways to tame the lion. And I gotta say while Billups is indeed past his prime hes still a pretty darn good player, some of you are too dismissive of him.

No one said he wasn't. But he's not a third piece, nor is he one of the top facilitators in the game. He may be good, but he's not going to be what makes us into a true contender.

Didnt say he was. But we already have two big pieces. There are plenty of title teams that were built around two big pieces and a good supporting cast.

Like I said, it all depends on who the pieces are. No team, outside of Detroit who's defense made them in anomoly in so many ways, has won without a top facilitator. We still don't have one.

Simply stating we have two stars doesn't mean much without the context of the whole team.

[MaseInYourFace]

What do you guys mean by facilitator? I guess Im having trouble understanding that...

[GONYK]

What do you guys mean by facilitator? I guess Im having trouble understanding that...

A player to run the offense through, and who can do so efficiently. Think prime Kidd, Duncan, Shaq etc..Players who can command defensive attention, and use it to create for others.

Melo shows hints of being able to do this as a Knick, but I would have to see much more before I believe we don't need a player like Chris Paul here.

[MaseInYourFace]

What do you guys mean by facilitator? I guess Im having trouble understanding that...

A player to run the offense through, and who can do so efficiently. Think prime Kidd, Duncan, Shaq etc..Players who can command defensive attention, and use it to create for others.

Melo shows hints of being able to do this as a Knick, but I would have to see much more before I believe we don't need a player like Chris Paul here.

Ahh Okay. I feel Melo can be that player though. Remember hes never played with anyone as good as Amare. He had to be inefficient...

[GONYK]

What do you guys mean by facilitator? I guess Im having trouble understanding that...

A player to run the offense through, and who can do so efficiently. Think prime Kidd, Duncan, Shaq etc..Players who can command defensive attention, and use it to create for others.

Melo shows hints of being able to do this as a Knick, but I would have to see much more before I believe we don't need a player like Chris Paul here.

Ahh Okay. I feel Melo can be that player though. Remember hes never played with anyone as good as Amare. He had to be inefficient...

I agree that he can be that player. It's up to him. It requires a lot more discipline and awareness than he has shown in his career thus far, but the skills are there.

[DrKnick]

I like Billups. Just need to lessen the chucking.

[HighRyzer83]

Really, guys? It's not that serious. And Wade snapping at Stern is not going to halt the labour relations process. The sides met after that. It's all part of the process. There is a reason it's called a labour dispute. Settlement negotiations get heated all the time. You think the owners and players haven't yelled at one another? These are high pressure stakes.

The owners didn't say "Oh we had a deal until Wade said "Don't point at me I'm not a child" now we're not negotiating any more.

Stern and Hunter met privately and kept everybody from leaving.

The point is both LeBron and Wade are out of their league and out of their minds. They think they are larger than life. Wade should shut the f*ck up until a deal is done and both he and LeBron, both max players with huge endorsement deals on the side, should not be trying to influence the professional negotiators when the season is in the balance. They are going to be filthy rich no matter the outcome. Chill out and let the professionals work you stupid idiots. Why set the stage for potentially muddy the waters? It's selfish and it's amateurish.

well said.

[NYman15]

I'm hoping they run the offense through Melo. He has the skills to play a point forward. He has the talent to be a guy who averages close to 30 points a game, 8 rebounds, and 4-5 assists. I'm hoping D'antoni runs the offense through him.

[Deeeez Knicks]

No one said he wasn't. But he's not a third piece, nor is he one of the top facilitators in the game. He may be good, but he's not going to be what makes us into a true contender.

Didnt say he was. But we already have two big pieces. There are plenty of title teams that were built around two big pieces and a good supporting cast.

Like I said, it all depends on who the pieces are. No team, outside of Detroit who's defense made them in anomoly in so many ways, has won without a top facilitator. We still don't have one.

Simply stating we have two stars doesn't mean much without the context of the whole team.

I still don't see how Dirk is any better of a facilitator then Melo. Before the title run I don't think anyone would have said that for sure. It would at least be a really good/close debate.

Kidd is no longer a top faciliator in the NBA either. He really isn't the same player as he was before. He's smart as hell still, but he can no longer carry an offense and create shots for everyone. Not like he used to.

I think the word facilitator is becoming a little overrused too.

[GONYK]

I still don't see how Dirk is any better of a facilitator then Melo. Before the title run I don't think anyone would have said that for sure. It would at least be a really good/close debate.

Perceptions before the NBA playoffs this year are a little irrelevent, no? Dirk is proven now. Melo isn't.

Kidd is no longer a top faciliator in the NBA either. He really isn't the same player as he was before. He's smart as hell still, but he can no longer carry an offense and create shots for everyone. Not like he used to.

He doesn't have to carry it. He just has to run it, which he still does beautifully. He manhandled Westbrook in the playoffs this year. Absolutely schooled him in that regard.

I think the word facilitator is becoming a little overrused too.

Ha, I'll keep using it until we have one

[dk7th]

Melo shows hints of being able to do this as a Knick, but I would have to see much more before I believe we don't need a player like Chris Paul here.

Ahh Okay. I feel Melo can be that player though. Remember hes never played with anyone as good as Amare. He had to be inefficient...

I agree that he can be that player. It's up to him. It requires a lot more discipline and awareness than he has shown in his career thus far, but the skills are there.

it is transparently clear that he loves to score the ball more than he loves to make others better and play defense.

if that does not change THIS YEAR then you have to find the best facilitator available, and it really doesn't need to be chris paul.

[DrSithMirth]

the recipe ? you lost last year stupid. what's this recipe for ? failure pie ?

[GONYK]

it is transparently clear that he loves to score the ball more than he loves to make others better and play defense.

if that does not change THIS YEAR then you have to find the best facilitator available, and it really doesn't need to be chris paul.

Who else do you have in mind?