Time to start Shumpert?

[HateMyThreads]

I think our offense looks better when shump is on the court. I must be watching a diff team. He attacks the hole and makes plays off the dribble. He was crucial during our streak and always closed those games. He is much more dynamic than fields. His defense is so good he creates easy points as well.

[DAntoniMustGo]

Novak may be the worst Defender in the league, no way he should start.

Shumpert is such a liability on Offense its tough to start him. Wish one of our guards could shoot the 3

And Fields is an offensive juggernaut?

If anything Fields and Shumpert offense cancels each others out and you gain a lock down defender and can put Fields where he belongs, a backup SF.

[Kampuchea]

Novak may be the worst Defender in the league, no way he should start.

Shumpert is such a liability on Offense its tough to start him. Wish one of our guards could shoot the 3

And Fields is an offensive juggernaut?

If anything Fields and Shumpert offense cancels each others out and you gain a lock down defender and can put Fields where he belongs, a backup SF.

Fields is better offensively, yes. He keeps the ball moving well and tries to create.

Note: I didnt say Fields is good offensively. Just not as terrible as Shumpert.

[DAntoniMustGo]

Fields is better offensively, yes. He keeps the ball moving well and tries to create.

Note: I didnt say Fields is good offensively. Just not as terrible as Shumpert.

That's part of the problem then. If you have Melo & Stat as "offensive superstars" in your starting lineup you need to balance it out with a solid wing defender like Shumpert.

You don't think Fields is being held back by only getting a few touches and shots in our 1st unit as opposed to playing his natural position (SF) against opposing team's bench?

Moving Fields to the bench isn't a demotion, it might actually help his confidence and his game out, he obviously plays different when Melo is on the floor.

[Kampuchea]

Fields is better offensively, yes. He keeps the ball moving well and tries to create.

Note: I didnt say Fields is good offensively. Just not as terrible as Shumpert.

That's part of the problem then. If you have Melo & Stat as "offensive superstars" in your starting lineup you need to balance it out with a solid wing defender like Shumpert.

You don't think Fields is being held back by only getting a few touches and shots in our 1st unit as opposed to playing his natural position (SF) against opposing team's bench?

i am for Fields being a backup 3.

I just dont want people to think Shump is more than he is right now. Lock Down defender but liability offensively. Many rooks struggle shooting so i can see him fixing that in the coming seasons

[Thugger HBC]

Our best defender in the starting lineup routinely stays in foul trouble, and can't get proper floor time.

I certainly don't want our second best to fall in that situation.

The team's issue to start games is scoring and Shumpert doesn't help with that.

That's the least of the issue with the lineup.

[mpharris36]

Our best defender in the starting lineup routinely stays in foul trouble, and can't get proper floor time.

I certainly don't want our second best to fall in that situation.

The team's issue to start games is scoring and Shumpert doesn't help with that.

That's the least of the issue with the lineup.

last 4 games 1st qtr: 27, 27, 31, 24....those are terrible 1st qtr #'s its the defense

[Thugger HBC]

Our best defender in the starting lineup routinely stays in foul trouble, and can't get proper floor time.

I certainly don't want our second best to fall in that situation.

The team's issue to start games is scoring and Shumpert doesn't help with that.

That's the least of the issue with the lineup.

last 4 games 1st qtr: 27, 27, 31, 24....those are terrible 1st qtr #'s its the defense

And Fields is usually in there for only half of the first, and his man isn't the one doing the damage.

Plus all those points cannot be just blamed on Fields and he's the least of the culprits.

Those points routinely come from senseless turnovers that result in transition points.

Since you're using these four games here's some info on them...

Carter 1-5, Allen 0 shot attempts, Parker 1-1, Wade of course is Wade and Shumpert didn't play.

These were Fields assignment while he started the game.

[Hodges4Three]

Our best defender in the starting lineup routinely stays in foul trouble, and can't get proper floor time.

I certainly don't want our second best to fall in that situation.

The team's issue to start games is scoring and Shumpert doesn't help with that.

That's the least of the issue with the lineup.

At this point I'd say Shump is more of an offensive threat than Landry. All he can do now is catch an alley oop once in a while. His shot is broken, and badly. He also can't space the floor or handle the ball well at all, which a real SG should be able to do.

[Thugger HBC]

Our best defender in the starting lineup routinely stays in foul trouble, and can't get proper floor time.

I certainly don't want our second best to fall in that situation.

The team's issue to start games is scoring and Shumpert doesn't help with that.

That's the least of the issue with the lineup.

At this point I'd say Shump is more of an offensive threat than Landry. All he can do now is catch an alley oop once in a while. His shot is broken, and badly. He also can't space the floor or handle the ball well at all, which a real SG should be able to do.

Shumpert is not better in those areas.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Our best defender in the starting lineup routinely stays in foul trouble, and can't get proper floor time.

I certainly don't want our second best to fall in that situation.

The team's issue to start games is scoring and Shumpert doesn't help with that.

That's the least of the issue with the lineup.

last 4 games 1st qtr: 27, 27, 31, 24....those are terrible 1st qtr #'s its the defense

And Fields is usually in there for only half of the first, and his man isn't the one doing the damage.

Plus all those points cannot be just blamed on Fields and he's the least of the culprits.

Those points routinely come from senseless turnovers that result in transition points.

Since you're using these four games here's some info on them...

Carter 1-5, Allen 0 shot attempts, Parker 1-1, Wade of course is Wade and Shumpert didn't play.

These were Fields assignment while he started the game.

Exactly. People want to try to pin our slow starts all on Fields. Like if we bench him they will all go away.

When Fields goes out half way through the 1st/3rd, this team still looks bad.

Its not on either guy. We simply need Amare and Melo to play better on both ends of the floor consistently. Amare finally has a good game offensively and Melo plays like crap. Amare and Melo just haven't been playing well and clicking this season.

[Knicksfan20]

How is Shump not better in those area's? I feel much more confident in Shumperts jumper then i do in fields. Fields just doesnt brick 3pointers..he bricks EVERYTHING! Shump has good form and has shown the ability to hit shots. HE may not do it at a good % from 3pt, but his shot is no where near as ugly as Fields is. ANd shump is a much better ball handler/driver. Fields is slow and has no 1 on 1 ability. Shump at least does...he is a much better scoring option then Fields and is 10x the defender he is.

Shump is a SG where as FIelds is a SF. Starting Shump or JR is a no brainer.

[Sark]

And Fields is usually in there for only half of the first, and his man isn't the one doing the damage.

Plus all those points cannot be just blamed on Fields and he's the least of the culprits.

Those points routinely come from senseless turnovers that result in transition points.

Since you're using these four games here's some info on them...

Carter 1-5, Allen 0 shot attempts, Parker 1-1, Wade of course is Wade and Shumpert didn't play.

These were Fields assignment while he started the game.

The problem is Fields does not work with Melo. We have 2 small forwards in the starting lineup, and the 2nd unit has 2 shooting guards, coupled with a power forward that camps on the outside(Novak).

[j4remi]

And Fields is usually in there for only half of the first, and his man isn't the one doing the damage.

Plus all those points cannot be just blamed on Fields and he's the least of the culprits.

Those points routinely come from senseless turnovers that result in transition points.

Since you're using these four games here's some info on them...

Carter 1-5, Allen 0 shot attempts, Parker 1-1, Wade of course is Wade and Shumpert didn't play.

These were Fields assignment while he started the game.

Fields' issue is that he can't guard PG's that have routinely lit us up by forcing Lin into multiple screens. Shumpert can. So while Fields' man isn't lighting him up, Lin's man has been and Shumpert would stop that.

Shumpert's ball handling and passing skills are better than Fields. Shump's jumper is streaky sure, but that's better than Fields who simply has a broken jumper right now.

Offensively, Shumpert can slot in as a true G whereas Fields is a SF playing the part of a G. Flipping Fields and Shumpert gives the first unit the SG it hasn't had and the second unit a true SF which it hasn't had.

There are plenty of reasons that Shump/Fields switching spots can be effective. Let's not forget that Fields' best games came when he was in line-ups with Jeffries and Novak included...so he might thrive in that set.

[Thugger HBC]

And Fields is usually in there for only half of the first, and his man isn't the one doing the damage.

Plus all those points cannot be just blamed on Fields and he's the least of the culprits.

Those points routinely come from senseless turnovers that result in transition points.

Since you're using these four games here's some info on them...

Carter 1-5, Allen 0 shot attempts, Parker 1-1, Wade of course is Wade and Shumpert didn't play.

These were Fields assignment while he started the game.

Fields' issue is that he can't guard PG's that have routinely lit us up by forcing Lin into multiple screens. Shumpert can. So while Fields' man isn't lighting him up, Lin's man has been and Shumpert would stop that.

Shumpert's ball handling and passing skills are better than Fields. Shump's jumper is streaky sure, but that's better than Fields who simply has a broken jumper right now.

Offensively, Shumpert can slot in as a true G whereas Fields is a SF playing the part of a G. Flipping Fields and Shumpert gives the first unit the SG it hasn't had and the second unit a true SF which it hasn't had.

There are plenty of reasons that Shump/Fields switching spots can be effective. Let's not forget that Fields' best games came when he was in line-ups with Jeffries and Novak included...so he might thrive in that set.

It sounds like you're advocating switching.

Fields shouldn't have to guard pg's.

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[Knicksfan20]

Nobody is advocating switching...but if they are going to switch anyway you might as well have a better defender out there. Fields does get torched on D alot of the time though, i dont see where you get that he doesnt. Especially off curls and screens.

[BrOnXKing1]

And Fields is usually in there for only half of the first, and his man isn't the one doing the damage.

Plus all those points cannot be just blamed on Fields and he's the least of the culprits.

Those points routinely come from senseless turnovers that result in transition points.

Since you're using these four games here's some info on them...

Carter 1-5, Allen 0 shot attempts, Parker 1-1, Wade of course is Wade and Shumpert didn't play.

These were Fields assignment while he started the game.

Fields' issue is that he can't guard PG's that have routinely lit us up by forcing Lin into multiple screens. Shumpert can. So while Fields' man isn't lighting him up, Lin's man has been and Shumpert would stop that.

Shumpert's ball handling and passing skills are better than Fields. Shump's jumper is streaky sure, but that's better than Fields who simply has a broken jumper right now.

Offensively, Shumpert can slot in as a true G whereas Fields is a SF playing the part of a G. Flipping Fields and Shumpert gives the first unit the SG it hasn't had and the second unit a true SF which it hasn't had.

There are plenty of reasons that Shump/Fields switching spots can be effective. Let's not forget that Fields' best games came when he was in line-ups with Jeffries and Novak included...so he might thrive in that set.

It sounds like you're advocating switching.

Fields shouldn't have to guard pg's.

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The point is Lin's man is lighting him up so we need to have Shumpert on the floor with the starting unit. It seems every game we are down early and also start slow in 3rd quarter. The dynamics with starting unit is not working, we need to shake it up. The only move that can be made is Fields who is playing out of position. Shumpert brings energy and and can guard the opposing teams best periimeter player.

[Thugger HBC]

[quote="Thugger HBC"]
And Fields is usually in there for only half of the first, and his man isn't the one doing the damage.

Plus all those points cannot be just blamed on Fields and he's the least of the culprits.

Those points routinely come from senseless turnovers that result in transition points.

Since you're using these four games here's some info on them...

Carter 1-5, Allen 0 shot attempts, Parker 1-1, Wade of course is Wade and Shumpert didn't play.

These were Fields assignment while he started the game.

Fields' issue is that he can't guard PG's that have routinely lit us up by forcing Lin into multiple screens. Shumpert can. So while Fields' man isn't lighting him up, Lin's man has been and Shumpert would stop that.

Shumpert's ball handling and passing skills are better than Fields. Shump's jumper is streaky sure, but that's better than Fields who simply has a broken jumper right now.

Offensively, Shumpert can slot in as a true G whereas Fields is a SF playing the part of a G. Flipping Fields and Shumpert gives the first unit the SG it hasn't had and the second unit a true SF which it hasn't had.

There are plenty of reasons that Shump/Fields switching spots can be effective. Let's not forget that Fields' best games came when he was in line-ups with Jeffries and Novak included...so he might thrive in that set.

It sounds like you're advocating switching.

Fields shouldn't have to guard pg's.

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The point is Lin's man is lighting him up so we need to have Shumpert on the floor with the starting unit. It seems every game we are down early and also start slow in 3rd quarter. The dynamics with starting unit is not working, we need to shake it up. The only move that can be made is Fields who is playing out of position. Shumpert brings energy and and can guard the opposing teams best periimeter player.[/quote]

Yes Shumpert can, but i really feel his aggressive defense will plant him on the bench in foul trouble if he starts.

We already have that issue with Chandler quite a bit.

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[j4remi]

And Fields is usually in there for only half of the first, and his man isn't the one doing the damage.

Plus all those points cannot be just blamed on Fields and he's the least of the culprits.

Those points routinely come from senseless turnovers that result in transition points.

Since you're using these four games here's some info on them...

Carter 1-5, Allen 0 shot attempts, Parker 1-1, Wade of course is Wade and Shumpert didn't play.

These were Fields assignment while he started the game.

Fields' issue is that he can't guard PG's that have routinely lit us up by forcing Lin into multiple screens. Shumpert can. So while Fields' man isn't lighting him up, Lin's man has been and Shumpert would stop that.

Shumpert's ball handling and passing skills are better than Fields. Shump's jumper is streaky sure, but that's better than Fields who simply has a broken jumper right now.

Offensively, Shumpert can slot in as a true G whereas Fields is a SF playing the part of a G. Flipping Fields and Shumpert gives the first unit the SG it hasn't had and the second unit a true SF which it hasn't had.

There are plenty of reasons that Shump/Fields switching spots can be effective. Let's not forget that Fields' best games came when he was in line-ups with Jeffries and Novak included...so he might thrive in that set.

It sounds like you're advocating switching.

Fields shouldn't have to guard pg's.

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But he does if we want Lin at his most effective...since he CAN'T, Shumpert should start. Whether Fields "should" or "shouldn't" is besides the point and an issue you can take up with Lin or opposing teams game plans. I'm tired of watching Lin get smashed by PF's and C's regularly when he's defending.

[Deeeez Knicks]

In regards to switching, how does Shumpert help? The issue isn't when Fields switches onto the pg. The issue is when our big men get switched onto our pgs and our pgs gets switched onto there big men. This is our philosophy and happens when Shumperts in the game too. And Lin could struggle guarding some SGs too.

Shumpert will help of course on defense. Although Fields isn't nearly as bad as many try to make him defensively and usually holds his own.

For the most part we still have problems when Fields is on the bench.