Trade Targets

[PetroNet]

I dont think pau is a realistic option, or a smart option at this point. I think Carl Landry is a much better trade target. maybe something along the lines of:

Brooklyn Gets:
Richard Jefferson - 2 yr/9M
Carl Landry - 2yr/4M

Golden State Gets:
Marshon Brooks - 3 yr/1.1M
Kris Humphries - 2 Yr/12M

if we need to sweeten it:

2013 1st round pick
rights to Karaman

Landry gives us more skill and consistency on offense, tougher defense, and rebounding is still decent.

Williams
Johnson
Wallace
Landry
Lopez

Watson
Bogans/Stackhouse
Jefferson/Stackhouse
Evans/Teletovic
Blatche

[Jersey Generals]

Carl Landry does nothing for weakside defense.

[enetric]

I dont understand the lust for Nene or Eric Gordon. Not that they dont have skill...I just dont see why anyone would bet on these guys to be healthy. Especially Gordon.

I dont see a great trade for us this season. Next year...maybe.

And that's if we develop Marshon and or Teletovic as trade bait. Hump as an expiring will get you mostly there contract wise...but you still need to send out the assets. We wont have the picks...so you have to add the prospects on rook deals. Would someone take on a 1.5 years of Hump now? Perhaps. But I think its more likely next year.

[PetroNet]

Carl Landry does nothing for weakside defense.

no?

I have only seen him play a dozen times or so, but ive always been really impressed with him defensively. its the main reasons ive suggested we take a look at him. is he not a really good defender?

[PetroNet]

I dont understand the lust for Nene or Eric Gordon. Not that they dont have skill...I just dont see why anyone would bet on these guys to be healthy. Especially Gordon.

I dont see a great trade for us this season. Next year...maybe.

And that's if we develop Marshon and or Teletovic as trade bait. Hump as an expiring will get you mostly there contract wise...but you still need to send out the assets. We wont have the picks...so you have to add the prospects on rook deals. Would someone take on a 1.5 years of Hump now? Perhaps. But I think its more likely next year.

id trade our 2013 draft pick for a 2014 first and future second rounder if we can. gets us 2 picks in the 2014 draft -- more amo for a deal next season

[vincecarter4pres]

Carl Landry does nothing for weakside defense.

no?

I have only seen him play a dozen times or so, but ive always been really impressed with him defensively. its the main reasons ive suggested we take a look at him. is he not a really good defender?

Are you thinking of Chuck Hayes maybe?

[deepblueday]

been watching some bucks games.... man, I really like sanders. kid's tough and a freak physical specimen. gets called for a lot of fouls, but he's looking more and more like a legit defensive powerhouse, and he's not without skill either. i still think hump/marshon for ilyasova/sanders is interesting... the bucks want out from under that ilyasova deal, marshon is a good piece for them, and they have young bigs in henson and udoh that might already deserve ilyasova's minutes. i've never rated ilyasova, but whatever, we're capped out anyway, he can't possibly continue to play this poorly, and sanders is the only young player that might have legit DPOY potential available.

in terms of value for both teams, how do guys see that deal? a lot of highly subjective factors at play which people could very reasonably disagree imo, in terms of rating both sanders and marshons potential, and how toxic you view ilyasovas deal

[vincecarter4pres]

I take that deal and run if there's nothing huge on the horizon, but A) I don't see the Bucks doing that even though it's big cash savings B) I still feel BK may have bigger fish to fry C) As much as I can see what Sanders is, can BK and Deron?

[Rockice_24]

VC4P you really took control of this thread, nicely done. I agree with pretty much everything you said, probably couldn't have said it better myself.

Of all the guys being mentioned Nene is by far the best option. He's the cheapest, he's a very very good defender, he has a decent enough touch out to the elbow so he won't crowd the paint, and he's a good enough rebounder that we shouldn't miss Hump all that much (that's probably the only thing Hump does better). As stated before Crash helps in that department, Lopez has slightly improved, and we still have the animal Evans. Nene would be a great role player for this team and would really push us to that serious contender status. Honestly the only thing keeping Nene from being mentioned with the great defenders of the league is his average shot blocking. His PnR defense is superb. Hopefully he stays healthy and we can land him.

I love Nene cause he can play the 4/5 and is some insurance for Blatche should we lose him even though he says he wants to stay it doesn't always work out (see Green).

Wouldn't mind Millsap either but he'll probably be harder to get and I still like Nene best.

Come'on Billy make it happen. Hump, Brooks for Nene. If they play hard ball then I'd even be willing throw in a first that's how much I think Nene can help us. I also love his contract (I know but hear me out). Pretty much our entire roster is set for the next 4 years so he'll fit in nicely with that 4 year window. It's not like we'd have any flexibility before then anyway. This team seems promising enough to give a four year window too. After that we'd have a bunch of expiring to work with after year three and if we make no moves then we basically have D-Will in year five and a clean slate. Nene's contract fits well with our team.

I really think Nene would complete this team and make us legit contenders. We'd be tough to handle inside with our big man rotation. Lots of teams are going to be in foul trouble.

[NyCeEvO]

Nene isn't cheaper. He still has 4yr/$52mil. Pau has $38mil and has only 2 years left.

Plus, I remember when BK talked about Lopez re-signing and the first thing he said was that he was happy that Lopez could breathe a sigh of relief for a while because he doesn't have to worry about being traded for a while. Then he specifically mentioned that the earliest he could be traded was January 15th lol.

I remember posing that and saying "how is that supposed to make Lopez feel good? The instant you sign him you already mention the first day he can be traded."

And while I don't think BK is shopping Lopez or will be doing so anytime soon, I think the overall statement shows that he is aware of the market and he knows we need to win.

ND just made a post on the fact that BK is ready to make a move to officially become a championship contender as soon as this season, so it'll be interesting to see what happens in the near future.

[Jersey Generals]

I think he meant in terms of assets being spent. Cheapest to trade for, I took that as.

[NyCeEvO]

I think he meant in terms of assets being spent. Cheapest to trade for, I took that as.

Oh ok, gotcha.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't see Lopez being traded at this point.

IMO, Howard pulling that stunt back in March was a blessing in disguise.

[Rockice_24]

I think he meant in terms of assets being spent. Cheapest to trade for, I took that as.

Yes that is correct, cheaper to get. I really don't want anything to do with Gasol at all. I wouldn't give up Hump straight up for him. Our frontcourt would just be way to slow with Gasol and Lopez, it's a terrible fit.

The money for Nene won't matter for Prok. As I said before I think Nene and his 4 year contract couldn't be a better fit with our team and all the other 4 year contracts we have.

Edit: Yeah Lopez isn't going anywhere, he's playing great ball. I think it's clear where the weak link lies in our starting five and if we can all see it lets hope BK can too. Hump, Brooks, the Euros, and picks are going to danggled for a PF upgrade and I think Nene is the clear winner of all the guys mentioned. He's the best fit and maybe the easiest to land. Just need to hope the Wiz keep losing.

[ecuhus1981]

I don't believe that Nene will be valued and traded as "cheaply" as the rest of you think. Lots of teams with a hole at C (not PF, C!) will offer more than Kris/Brooks/2 1sts, and I really don't want to get into a bidding war for a health/age/contract combo best described as "Amar'e Lite".

Consider the offers WAS may field over the next few months for Nene:

SAS - Jackson/Blair/1sts
DAL - Kaman/Jones/Beaubois/1sts
HOU - Cook/Aldrich/Patterson/White/$7mil in capspace

[N Ireland Nets]

I believe King is looking for the next superstar trade.

In my opinion the Nets front office are still hoping for a Howard deal toward the deadline.

[vincecarter4pres]

IMO, Howard pulling that stunt back in March was a blessing in disguise.

How so?

Brook has clearly improved and still has a higher ceiling but we don't know if he'll keep going at this level or get better, we don't know if he'll become injury prone with his feet and he still does not touch Dwight Howard with a ten foot pole.

Lebron is still the best player in the league and I would say Durant has begun to establish himself as the true 2nd best player in the league, but after that, a 100% Howard is still the 3rd best player in this league with only half an argument for anyone else really.

[vincecarter4pres]

I believe King is looking for the next superstar trade.

Yeah, I'm sure he's doing the same. I'd say that's the main reason Nene would be passed on if he was available, cause once you trade for him and that contract if you need to re-trade him as salary filler you probably need to find a 3rd or 4th team, complicating things.

In my opinion the Nets front office are still hoping for a Howard deal toward the deadline.

Like I was saying on Twitter, I'll never say never, but I'll say implausible!

And before you ask again Ron, yes, we are this sad in real life!


But yeah, I can see him mainly staying with this group for this year if nothing crazy comes up and then going all out for Love or LMA on draft night, the offseason or by next trade deadline.

[N Ireland Nets]

Not a trade target per say but I'd make a big push for Greg Oden in the offseason.

If we manage to keep Blatche & don't make any big moves in between now and the offseason we should move for Oden on a vet min deal.

We really need a 3 big man as cover for Lopez & Blatche and someone with the talent of Oden would be perfect for a very limited minutes roll.

We could manage his knees and he wouldn't be needed every night, he'd be super cover in case Lopez or Blatche go down and we can plug him in for a small role.

I posted about it before but I just think there is a real chance of some value in Oden and he could tick over with no big expectations on him.

The perfect big man back up back up

[vincecarter4pres]

VC4P you really took control of this thread, nicely done. I agree with pretty much everything you said, probably couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks, I think.