The Trade Thread

[Karl Marx]

Would you trade Vilanueva for Fields and Novak?

[Piston Pete]

Would you trade Vilanueva for Fields and Novak?

Tell us why you think we would...

[Karl Marx]

Would you trade Vilanueva for Fields and Novak?

Tell us why you think we would...

I do not. But once upon a time you did trade Billups for Iverson. So you never know.

[sc8581]

Would you trade Vilanueva for Fields and Novak?

Tell us why you think we would...

I do not. But once upon a time you did trade Billups for Iverson. So you never know.

Once upon a time Toronto traded for Rudy Gay so what's your point?

[DetroitDon15]

Would you trade Vilanueva for Fields and Novak?

Tell us why you think we would...

I do not. But once upon a time you did trade Billups for Iverson. So you never know.

If you want to send your first rounder unprotected in the deal, Detroit says yes. With out that pick, your team will just hear a ring tone after the offer.

[ComboGuardCity]

Charlie V, Bynum, Siva for pierce.


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[Hotmayo]

Charlie V, Bynum, Siva for pierce.


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All day

[ImHeisenberg]

Charlie V, Bynum, Siva for pierce.


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I wouldn't hesitate. But, I doubt that happens. The Nets have zero intention of downgrading, and zero concern for the financial costs.

[Natopher]

Toronto is trying to cut salary. What about Villanueva for Amir? Maybe throw in a 2nd round pick or 2 as added incentive.

[mercury]

I'd like to see this roster played out at least til the deadline.
Would consider Monroe for John Hensen

[Natopher]

I'd love to get Henson. Monroe + Datome for Henson and Delfino works in trade machine. I'd probably do that trade.

[Q00]

I think one thing to keep in mind is how much Smith posting up on SFs is having on his success in the post right now.

In other words, if you trade Monroe and move him back to PF, posting up 6-10, 6-11 guys every night instead, suddenly its no longer a mismatch in your favor, where he can just back down and shoot over guys with ease.

That's why I always felt he was better suited to playing SF. Because his biggest strength is in the post, and being able to post him up against smaller players as opposed to bigger, maximizes that strength.

Plus with Monroe and Drummond on the other side of the box drawing attention from the opposing bigs, it makes it easier on Smith inside. You take Monroe out of the equation, and now the interior defense can not only pay more attention to Smith, but also use a bigger defender on him being that he's now at the PF position instead.

So I think they've got a good thing going here right now, and it looks like they may have solved the puzzle of how to make this frontcourt work. So I'm not sure there is any need to trade any of them, or even need another SF. The way Smith is thriving right now, not many guys out there are going to give you more than this at this position. He may not be a good 3 pt shooter, but I'll take a guy who can score at will in the post over a 3 pt shooter all day, regardless of position.

What we really need an upgrade at is SG. KCP is a good defender but we could be getting so much more out of that position than we are with him right now.

[Natopher]

I think one thing to keep in mind is how much Smith posting up on SFs is having on his success in the post right now.

In other words, if you trade Monroe and move him back to PF, posting up 6-10, 6-11 guys every night instead, suddenly its no longer a mismatch in your favor, where he can just back down and shoot over guys with ease.

That's why I always felt he was better suited to playing SF. Because his biggest strength is in the post, and being able to post him up against smaller players as opposed to bigger, maximizes that strength.

Plus with Monroe and Drummond on the other side of the box drawing attention from the opposing bigs, it makes it easier on Smith inside. You take Monroe out of the equation, and now the interior defense can not only pay more attention to Smith, but also use a bigger defender on him being that he's now at the PF position instead.

So I think they've got a good thing going here right now, and it looks like they may have solved the puzzle of how to make this frontcourt work. So I'm not sure there is any need to trade any of them, or even need another SF. The way Smith is thriving right now, not many guys out there are going to give you more than this at this position. He may not be a good 3 pt shooter, but I'll take a guy who can score at will in the post over a 3 pt shooter all day, regardless of position.

What we really need an upgrade at is SG. KCP is a good defender but we could be getting so much more out of that position than we are with him right now.

I think you're right on a lot of this, but I think Smith gives better defense at PF and the offense would still be good at PF. I also don't think that Monroe fits very well offensively OR defensively with the Smith/Drummond combination. I was against it before, but it actually might be time to take a look at a Monroe for Anderson + swap.

Anderson would fix a lot of the problems we have offensively (or at least give us better spacing), and he's a pretty good offensive rebounder (currently averaging 2.9 in 36 minutes). He falls short with defensive rebounding, but Drummond gets the vast majority of our defensive rebounds anyway. It's also worth noting that in his last year with the magic, starting full time next to Dwight, he averaged 7.7 rebounds a game and 3.7 offensive rebounds a game. Not saying it's a guarantee (or even likely) that he'll rebound that well again, just that it's a possibility he could find a middle ground between his current 6.2 and 7.7 and average somewhere around 7.

Personally, I feel like if we could trade Monroe + Jerebko for Anderson, Morrow and a pick (works in trade machine) that it'd be a good trade for both teams and help solve a lot of our shooting woes and make us a much more offensively imposing team.

[Kilo]

If we had a stretch four, we could clear him and his guard out and have Smith post up his smaller defender on occasion without running into a crowded low post with Monroe and Drummond and their defenders all hanging out down low.

I think Smith will only get better at SF as he gets more comfortable playing there the vast bulk of minutes after playing a lot of PF the last few years in Atlanta.

I still think Monroe is a center - and somebody is going to pay him as one. I also don't pay max or near max to passive, I-don't-take-the-last-shot players for that matter either.

[Q00]

^I'm not really a fan of niche stretch 4's. I don't think you can win championships with one starting in your frontcourt. Plus he's no better defensively than Monroe. So if I had to choose between two offensive niche big men, one who's niche is in the post and the other is shooting 3's, I'd take the post guy.

We need 3 pt shooting, but I would prefer to get it from the SG position. If we had a starting backcourt that were both lights out shooters, then it wouldn't matter if our frontcourt could shoot or not. A C/PF/SF trio who can score inside at will, complimented by lights out shooters at the guard spots on the perimeter. That's the type of offense I always envisioned for this team. Jennings gives us half that equation in the backcourt, we just need KCP to contribute his end of the deal. He's been getting better, I think he's 36% on 3s in December vs like 25% before, but if he never develops into that shooter we need, then we should look for another SG in FA/trades this summer.

I just think we finally have an identity again with this huge lineup that keeps other coach's up night. We don't need to trade that away just to add shooting to the lineup. We can get it in the form of a top SG instead and keep our dominance inside, while complimenting it with a great shooter.

In other words if we just had like Kyle Korver (just an example of a great shooter, not saying I wan him), the shooting would be a non-issue. We would dominate teams inside and out with the jumbo lineup all starting together.

[Natopher]

I'm not the biggest fan of stretch 4s either, but I don't think you can't win with one. The fact is that Anderson's shooting ability compliments the starting lineup better than Monroe's back to the basket game, which can be very hit or miss depending on the matchup. I haven't watched much of Anderson play, so this is strictly based on stats and could be very wrong, but even around the hoop he's pretty close to Monroe's level of efficiency. The past 2 years Monroe's FG% at the rim was 61%, where as Anderson's the past 2 years (granted, on half the attempts) was 58% and 59%.

Now, I'm not saying Anderson has a reliable back to the basket game or is as talented down low as Monroe is (like I said, I haven't watched a lot of Anderson). But based on the numbers (could very easily be wrong) I'd say that he's at least not significantly less talented than Monroe when it comes to converting down around the basket. And when you throw in his 3 point and mid-range shooting I feel like he'd help the team a lot. Not to mention that for a player who (this year) is averaging 20 and 6, 8.5mil per year really isn't all that bad, and it's only for 3 years.

Personally, if I had to choose (for this team) between Monroe at a near max salary and Ryan Anderson at 8.5mil per for the next 3 years, I'd take Anderson.

EDIT: According to the NBA.com shot charts (and not basketball references) Greg Monroe and Ryan Anderson both are about 53% finishers around the hoop the past 2 years. Not sure which 1 is more accurate, just food for thought.

[ComboGuardCity]

Smith has been able to do his work with both Drummond and Monroe on the floor. The spacing issue is being overblown. Offensively the team isn't stalling as much.


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[Natopher]

I'm not trying to imply that the offense has been awful or anything, because it's actually been very good. I just think that it would be better and more balanced with Anderson. And when you throw in the contract that Monroe is likely going to get I just don't think we can afford to keep him. We can't be giving Smith, Drummond and Monroe all 13.5mil+ and expect to have a good team going forward. I think it would work better for the team and financially if we traded Monroe, and if we're determined to stay big and keep Smith at SF then Anderson would be one of the better options.

[menten]

I'd like to see this roster played out at least til the deadline.
Would consider Monroe for John Hensen

the bucks have no reason to do this. henson is already much better + he's younger

[Q00]

I'm not the biggest fan of stretch 4s either, but I don't think you can't win with one. The fact is that Anderson's shooting ability compliments the starting lineup better than Monroe's back to the basket game, which can be very hit or miss depending on the matchup. I haven't watched much of Anderson play, so this is strictly based on stats and could be very wrong, but even around the hoop he's pretty close to Monroe's level of efficiency. The past 2 years Monroe's FG% at the rim was 61%, where as Anderson's the past 2 years (granted, on half the attempts) was 58% and 59%.

Now, I'm not saying Anderson has a reliable back to the basket game or is as talented down low as Monroe is (like I said, I haven't watched a lot of Anderson). But based on the numbers (could very easily be wrong) I'd say that he's at least not significantly less talented than Monroe when it comes to converting down around the basket. And when you throw in his 3 point and mid-range shooting I feel like he'd help the team a lot. Not to mention that for a player who (this year) is averaging 20 and 6, 8.5mil per year really isn't all that bad, and it's only for 3 years.

Personally, if I had to choose (for this team) between Monroe at a near max salary and Ryan Anderson at 8.5mil per for the next 3 years, I'd take Anderson.

EDIT: According to the NBA.com shot charts (and not basketball references) Greg Monroe and Ryan Anderson both are about 53% finishers around the hoop the past 2 years. Not sure which 1 is more accurate, just food for thought.

I'm just trying to think of one championship team in history that had a big man who was primarily just an outside shooter and didn't provide much in the way of defense and rebounding. Its hard to think of any, so I don't have a lot of trust that it can work.

He might have the same finishing % inside, but if he rarely ever goes down there, and stays camped on the perimeter, then its all for nothing. That's one thing I always have to give credit to Monroe for is that so many bigs today want to just camp out for jumpshots, and don't like doing the hard work in the paint, but he is willing to bang inside all game and rarely settles for jumpers. After the years of it being so hard to get Rasheed inside, its refreshing to have a big like Monroe who prefers to be inside. I don;t think I want to trade just for another jumpshooter. At least Rasheed played defense too, which Anderson doesn;t.

I wouldn't mind having a guy like Anderson off the bench, like in a Memo role, but I just have doubts about being able to win a championship starting a big like that up front.