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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#161 » by kyrv » Wed Aug 6, 2014 3:16 am

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I hope Snell is ready. Snell said this will be a special year for us I believe him. With that said. In your lineup.

Who's guarding Lebron?


It doesn't matter much, since it's the beginning of the game. It'll likely be Snell.

There's little doubt that Jimmy will be on the floor in the closing minutes if the game is close.


I'm not opposed to Snell getting more minutes if he deserves it. However, It does matter if Lebron gets off to a great start scoring on 3 straight post ups vs Snell.


Ya nobody will contain LeTamperer but we don't want him running rampant.

My guess is, even if Butler got fewer minutes, he'd play more against the Cavs.


But Jimmy is a huge security blanket really doubt he has a small role.
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#162 » by Ralphb07 » Wed Aug 6, 2014 3:26 am

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Ralphb07 wrote:Rose, Butler and McDermott need to be starting on the perimeter day one.

I agree, if McDermott shows any defensive awareness whatsoever he needs to be starting. The spacing he would provide along with Rose's penetration and the excellent passing bigs the Bulls have should result in a pretty dangerous offense.


You know what would really make the offense dangerous?

Tony Snell playing like a poised veteran and pushing Butler to the bench.

Please break out this season Hell Snell..

G Rose / Brooks / Hinrich
G Snell / Butler / Hinrich
F McDermott / Butler / Dunleavy
F Gasol / Gibson / Mirotic
C Noah / Gibson / Gasol

That SL makes me love life more

8-)


I agree, just haven't wanted to say it. Snell has to prove in on the NBA floor but he has what we want from our 2G. He can shoot, handle the ball and defend. Going forward we need a more offensive minded guy at SG. To me Butler would be a nice 6th man.

Rose, Snell, McDermott, Nikola and Noah would be a nice lineup to see this season during games
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#163 » by Ralphb07 » Wed Aug 6, 2014 3:29 am

kyrv wrote:
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It doesn't matter much, since it's the beginning of the game. It'll likely be Snell.

There's little doubt that Jimmy will be on the floor in the closing minutes if the game is close.


I'm not opposed to Snell getting more minutes if he deserves it. However, It does matter if Lebron gets off to a great start scoring on 3 straight post ups vs Snell.


Ya nobody will contain LeTamperer but we don't want him running rampant.

My guess is, even if Butler got fewer minutes, he'd play more against the Cavs.


But Jimmy is a huge security blanket really doubt he has a small role.


I just hope we see McDermott, Butler and Snell a lot with a little sprinkle of MDJ. I wouldn't be surprised if MDJ wasn't dealt at some point.
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#166 » by wonderboy2 » Wed Aug 6, 2014 3:58 am

Again im proabaly higher on Snell then anybody on here but I dont think you want him to be your main defender on Lebron. Even though Lebron lost weight, it doesnt mean that he lost his strength. Posters underestimate how much of an advantage a player has over a player that is significantly weaker then they are. Im not just talking on post ups either, im talking about on drives. Ive seen teams try to stick quicker guys on Lebron but he just shreds right through them. Thats why its a luxery to have a guy like butler that is quick lateraly but has the strength to body up on Lebron. Butler and Lenoard are the best at guarding Lebron because of thier ability to body Lebron up on his drives and not get getting shreded while having the foot speed to not get blown by.

I think Snell will be an awesome man defender next year but I wouldnt want him covering the big 3s like Melo or Lebrons yet for a long period of time. I think he can guard the Derozans, and the Beals well next season though. IMO Snell was the best player on the SL team and thats no slight to Mcdermott as I thought he was incredible. But Snell played both ends of the floor at a high-level and played with alot of confidence. Tbh I think it all come down to who plays well in training camp. I would like either Snell or Mcdermot to start along with Butler. But MDJ is a veteran who knows the system and Thibs trust veterans more then young players.
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#167 » by RedBulls23 » Wed Aug 6, 2014 4:07 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:
BR0D1E86 wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:Rose, Butler and McDermott need to be starting on the perimeter day one.

I agree, if McDermott shows any defensive awareness whatsoever he needs to be starting. The spacing he would provide along with Rose's penetration and the excellent passing bigs the Bulls have should result in a pretty dangerous offense.


You know what would really make the offense dangerous?

Tony Snell playing like a poised veteran and pushing Butler to the bench.

Please break out this season Hell Snell..

G Rose / Brooks / Hinrich
G Snell / Butler / Hinrich
F McDermott / Butler / Dunleavy
F Gasol / Gibson / Mirotic
C Noah / Gibson / Gasol

That SL makes me love life more

8-)

Once Butler will be back into the role of 5th best starter, he will excel at it. With less minutes and load, he can go back to being that Jimmy that we all knew and loved. Plus look for him to improve his shot as well. Ideally, Jimmy turns into a more slashing version of Bruce Bowen next year. That corner 3 is key.
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#168 » by MrFortune3 » Wed Aug 6, 2014 4:29 am

Ideally, with the picks spent on him and to acquiring him he needs to start and be very good for us.
I still don't like the pick but if he can give us something like 15.5 ppg and elite shooting then I will shut up and love it real quick.
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#169 » by GimmeDat » Wed Aug 6, 2014 4:36 am

I'm high on Snell, though he doesn't have a massive ceiling. Just got to see him play with fire and confidence. He's got great potential at both ends and I think he should contribute some quality minutes this season.

Also I think we need to be careful with the Korver/McDermott comparisons... I don't think they're similar players, but in terms of impact even, you can't discount just how elite a shooter Korver is.

Yeah, Doug's a more well rounded player, but it's a big if as to whether he'll be one a top 3 shooter in the league.
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Post#170 » by DJHill » Wed Aug 6, 2014 4:44 am

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Yeah, Doug's a more well rounded player, but it's a big if as to whether he'll be one a top 3 shooter in the league.


Alright, this MIGHT be hyperbole and I may be crazy but the one thing that definitely translates from college to the NBA (aside from rebounding) is shooting. I look at Dougy's clips on youtube and this guy is like, three steps behind the three point line and nailing threes like they're layups! He MAY have problems getting his shot off against NBA length/quicker defenders but one thing I'm absolutely, supremely confident in is him being an elite, maybe not top 3 RIGHT AWAY, but top 5 (percentage wise at least) three point shooter by the end of the season. He's a 6'8", white Steph Curry imo.
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Post#171 » by FORMIDABULLS » Wed Aug 6, 2014 4:48 am

PaKii94 wrote:
Benedict Miller wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
You know what would really make the offense dangerous?

Tony Snell playing like a poised veteran and pushing Butler to the bench.

Please break out this season Hell Snell..

G Rose / Brooks / Hinrich
G Snell / Butler / Hinrich
F McDermott / Butler / Dunleavy
F Gasol / Gibson / Mirotic
C Noah / Gibson / Gasol

That SL makes me love life more

8-)


I hope Snell is ready. Snell said this will be a special year for us I believe him. With that said. In your lineup.

Who's guarding Lebron?


I envision snell as the ball-handling 6th man coming off the bench and providing some scoring. A La manu


#20 might not just be a coincidence eh? :D

Yup agreed. That's the role I envision for him as well if he takes the leap next season which I'm hopeful we'll be saying it confidently in time.

McD can start and his presence should help get the offense into a flow, together with Butler who will disrupt the rhythm of the elite wings of each opponent to start the games. As for who ends the game, that will depend on matchups, form, whoever deserves it, deserves it I guess. Simple as that.
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#172 » by PaKii94 » Wed Aug 6, 2014 4:59 am

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PaKii94 wrote:
Benedict Miller wrote:
I hope Snell is ready. Snell said this will be a special year for us I believe him. With that said. In your lineup.

Who's guarding Lebron?


I envision snell as the ball-handling 6th man coming off the bench and providing some scoring. A La manu


#20 might not just be a coincidence eh? :D

Yup agreed. That's the role I envision for him as well if he takes the leap next season which I'm hopeful we'll be saying it confidently in time.

McD can start and his presence should help get the offense into a flow, together with Butler who will disrupt the rhythm of the elite wings of each opponent to start the games. As for who ends the game, that will depend on matchups, form, whoever deserves it, deserves it I guess. Simple as that.



The combination I like the most between mdj/snell/butler/mc3 is butler+mc3 and snell+mdj

on offense, Mc3>MDJ and Snell>butler
on defense, butler>snell and MDJ>Mc3 (my guess)
On ball handling, Mc3>mdj, snell>butler

The combo i listed above has the best mix and balance of the 3 things
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#173 » by deano the p » Wed Aug 6, 2014 5:00 am

I'm hoping McD is capable of starting because it adds a real balance to our starting line up and he should get the best looks whilst being on the court with the other starters.

For me how he and Mirotic convert to the NBA is a HUGE factor in just how far we can go this year.

If McD can step up it will make the world of difference to our chances.
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#174 » by musiqsoulchild » Wed Aug 6, 2014 5:09 am

I want to join the beleif in Snell, but I just dont see it.

That being said, he is our most important non-core player because of his attributes:

1) Plus defender
2) Plus shooter
3) Excellent size
4) Can guard both wing positions
5) Has decent handles
6) Can put the ball on the floor and can drive to the rim
7) Has already had exposure to playoffs and also regular season crunch minutes
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#175 » by GimmeDat » Wed Aug 6, 2014 5:16 am

DJHill wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
Yeah, Doug's a more well rounded player, but it's a big if as to whether he'll be one a top 3 shooter in the league.


Alright, this MIGHT be hyperbole and I may be crazy but the one thing that definitely translates from college to the NBA (aside from rebounding) is shooting. I look at Dougy's clips on youtube and this guy is like, three steps behind the three point line and nailing threes like they're layups! He MAY have problems getting his shot off against NBA length/quicker defenders but one thing I'm absolutely, supremely confident in is him being an elite, maybe not top 3 RIGHT AWAY, but top 5 (percentage wise at least) three point shooter by the end of the season. He's a 6'8", white Steph Curry imo.


No doubt, shooting translates and he's clearly an elite shooter.

Korver's in his own echelon though.
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#176 » by kodo » Wed Aug 6, 2014 5:19 am

I do think Doug has a chance of starting. Every player is different and Thibs isn't a robot. His comments to the media about Doug are markedly different from his language for most rookies.

Thibs on Teague after his first summer:

‘‘One is, you have to learn how to be a pro first,’’ Thibodeau said. ‘‘Then you have to practice well. Then you have to learn the league. You have to learn your teammates. Once you do those things and you learn your job, you may get an opportunity to play. It’s a big step going from college to pro. Everything is based on performance, and we’ll go from there.’’

Asked how Teague has looked in camp, Thibodeau said, ‘‘Like most rookies — some up, some down. The big thing for him is I just want him to concentrate on improvement and being a pro right now.


Thibs on McD:

“If you’re just viewing him strictly as a shooter, you’re not casting him in the proper light. Because he’s a lot more than that. We think he’s a complete player."
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#177 » by WindyCityBorn » Wed Aug 6, 2014 6:02 am

Ralphb07 wrote:
kyrv wrote:
Benedict Miller wrote:
I'm not opposed to Snell getting more minutes if he deserves it. However, It does matter if Lebron gets off to a great start scoring on 3 straight post ups vs Snell.


Ya nobody will contain LeTamperer but we don't want him running rampant.

My guess is, even if Butler got fewer minutes, he'd play more against the Cavs.


But Jimmy is a huge security blanket really doubt he has a small role.


I just hope we see McDermott, Butler and Snell a lot with a little sprinkle of MDJ. I wouldn't be surprised if MDJ wasn't dealt at some point.


As of right now Dunleavy is still our best shooter so I'm not that interested in trading him. McDermott, Snell and Mirotic would need to prove they are reliable before I consider him a luxury. Even then I would rather keep him. Bulls have been a piss poor shooting team for so long we should hoard them now. Cleveland is loading up with shooters for Lebron(Irving, Love, Miller, James Jones and probably Ray Allen) and Bulls should do the same for Rose.
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#178 » by thedarkstark » Wed Aug 6, 2014 6:07 am

Don't post Sam Smith articles. Don't give that clown hits. The guy is the worst in the business when it comes to analyzing basketball and needs to retire ASAP.

He seems like a nice guy, but he doesn't know ****

That said, Doug is great, and will definitely be a starter before the season is over.
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Post#179 » by willywazza » Wed Aug 6, 2014 6:11 am

Doug is going to have a long and productive NBA career.

I'm just excited about this upcoming season because I know he will be a great contributor to a team that has a strong chance of emerging out of the East.

He is such a perfect fit for this squad.
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Re: Sam--Doug Can Start 

Post#180 » by grave » Wed Aug 6, 2014 9:37 am

More important question is if Doug will finish the game not if he will be a starter. I find starter role very overrated. How many minutes he will get, will he be in rotation in 4th quarters?

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