Clyde on Melo: "Will he ask out?"

[Dirk]

The thing is... Melo doesn't want to move to a team, only to see that team giving up good players for him and lessen his chances of winning. He no longer has the incentive of making the most money possible as he did when he got traded from Denver. His contract is set for the until 2018, so it really feels like at best you'd fetch two late first round picks, cap relief and maybe a young player.

Houston would be the best trade partner.

Yeah that's pretty much the point, barring something miraculous, we're not gonna get back enough value to warrant moving him. So all "trade melo" scenarios are at such a far fetched point, it's better to just acknowledge we're almost absolutely keeping him.

Even if the Knicks wouldn't get to be legit contenders(and realistically as long as Lebron is in his prime, it's hard seeing anyone challenging them in the East), I don't think it would be the end of the world to have a team that made the playoffs with Melo for the next 2, 3, 4 years... maybe it would be the treadmill team everyone seems to hate, but as long as the team doesn't trade away picks or overpays players just to keep its status quo, it sure beats being bad with nothing but the hope of lucking out on the ping pong balls. I've warmed up to 'treadmill teams' and 'making the playoffs' as goals.

It really is a tricky position. I remember Kobe was forcing the Lakers hand and they went out and were gifted Gasol. Frazier says something very normal and this makes headlines everywhere. It always feels like this organization is on the edge. Ideally, Melo should come out at some point saying that he wants to retire a Knick and is committed to winning in NY with no conditions -- assuming he truly is and wants to be the franchise player. He's not just some rented gun that forced a trade(money exposure), that rejected better winning situations(less money) and now that he's set, he would want out. Maybe that would ease all these questions that will always loom about whether he'll ask out... or even if the organization would be better off trading him. As it is, everyone is second guessing everything and walking on eggshells.

[el13adnino]

melo for durant
okc accepts if they fear that durant wont be back
nyk know kd will be a rental, hope to convince him to stay

[Iron Mantis]

Q: Can Grant be a solid contributor, a regular rotation guy as a rookie?

A: I think he’s going to start for the Knicks. It’s inevitable.

Read my mind lol.

Grant not starting would be early season suicide.

[TheBigBoss]

Melo is now David Robinson to our Tim Duncan (Porzingis) and he will like it.

[Woodsanity]

Can we trade Melo for our pick back?

[Capn'O]

Look. Guys. I hate to have to do this but...

Carmelo's staying and you will like it.

[stuporman]

Speculating and fabricating!

/Clyde

[BKlutch]

Read my mind lol.

Grant not starting would be early season suicide.

Of course Clyde said that. It's a no-brainer. (not a comment on your mind, LOL)

[Thorn]

melo for durant
okc accepts if they fear that durant wont be back
nyk know kd will be a rental, hope to convince him to stay

I still like LA as a trade partner, you could very easily assemble a trade for picks, and parts, and young players with potential. I also think Melo would waive his no trade clause for that move.

[GONYK]

melo for durant
okc accepts if they fear that durant wont be back
nyk know kd will be a rental, hope to convince him to stay

I still like LA as a trade partner, you could very easily assemble a trade for picks, and parts, and young players with potential. I also think Melo would waive his no trade clause for that move.

I honestly just don't see it.

Melo would basically just be waiving his NTC for better weather. The Lakers are no closer to winning anything of significance, and they are in a tougher conference.

From the Lakers end, it makes even less sense. Why trade young talent and assets for a 31 year old who doesn't really improve your prospects of winning in a serious way?

[BKlutch]

melo for durant
okc accepts if they fear that durant wont be back
nyk know kd will be a rental, hope to convince him to stay

I still like LA as a trade partner, you could very easily assemble a trade for picks, and parts, and young players with potential. I also think Melo would waive his no trade clause for that move.

I honestly just don't see it.

Melo would basically just be waiving his NTC for better weather. The Lakers are no closer to winning anything of significance, and they are in a tougher conference.

From the Lakers end, it makes even less sense. Why trade young talent and assets for a 31 year old who doesn't really improve your prospects of winning in a serious way?

This trade won't happen. A trade is very unlikely because Melo won't go to a team that is just as far away from winning as we are, he won't want a team that must give up so much talent in exchange that they still can't compete, and we won't accept players/picks of no value in exchange for Melo.

So Melo is going to be here with us. He's going to play hard and make the most of it. We're going to be better.

[Knicksfan1992]

No reasonable scenario trade for Melo makes sense get it through your heads already.

[stuporman]

I wonder how long into the season it will be before the Melo for Love rumors start up....cause you know they will.

[louieOrr]

Just to be clear. If he should ask out we do NOTHING to accommodate him. He should have thought of that possibility when his team insisted on the no trade. If he wants a contender, then they dont have the assets to complete a fair trade, or they will no longer be a contender. If he demands a trade let him malcontent his azz to the bench. Let the media hounds at him. Let him kill his career. At that point who cares. Its true we cant get decent value in trading him so he's staying put. We have never recovered from accommodating a similar such request from Ewing. Not happening again.

[Thugger HBC]

Just to be clear. If he should ask out we do NOTHING to accommodate him. He should have thought of that possibility when his team insisted on the no trade. If he wants a contender, then they dont have the assets to complete a fair trade, or they will no longer be a contender. If he demands a trade let him malcontent his azz to the bench. Let the media hounds at him. Let him kill his career. At that point who cares. Its true we cant get decent value in trading him so he's staying put. We have never recovered from accommodating a similar such request from Ewing. Not happening again.

For the record, if that moment comes where he does ask, why would the media jump on him? Most actually expect Melo to ask out at some point this year, considering very few media-wise actually think this roster is a good one, where legit competition can occur.

No sensible team is gonna keep an unwanted star under their umbrella. I'm not saying take the first deal, but they would need to move him quick. That type of distraction affects every team that might be involved including the Knicks.

[Fat Kat]

I see folks building up outrage over something that hasn't happened.

[louieOrr]

Just to be clear. If he should ask out we do NOTHING to accommodate him. He should have thought of that possibility when his team insisted on the no trade. If he wants a contender, then they dont have the assets to complete a fair trade, or they will no longer be a contender. If he demands a trade let him malcontent his azz to the bench. Let the media hounds at him. Let him kill his career. At that point who cares. Its true we cant get decent value in trading him so he's staying put. We have never recovered from accommodating a similar such request from Ewing. Not happening again.

For the record, if that moment comes where he does ask, why would the media jump on him? Most actually expect Melo to ask out at some point this year, considering very few media-wise actually think this roster is a good one, where legit competition can occur.

No sensible team is gonna keep an unwanted star under their umbrella. I'm not saying take the first deal, but they would need to move him quick. That type of distraction affects every team that might be involved including the Knicks.

True, was simply venting at the scenario and if it were to happen simply because of what we gave up to get him. Im just speaking from an emotional point of view, as opposed to any sort of sound basketball decision making. It just would be a tough pill to swallow to get a crappy return on him in that scenario.

[louieOrr]

I see folks building up outrage over something that hasn't happened.

lol I suppose I did The thought of it pissed me off there for a sec

[JBreezeNY]

The thing is... Melo doesn't want to move to a team, only to see that team giving up good players for him and lessen his chances of winning. He no longer has the incentive of making the most money possible as he did when he got traded from Denver. His contract is set for the until 2018, so it really feels like at best you'd fetch two late first round picks, cap relief and maybe a young player.

Houston would be the best trade partner.

Yeah that's pretty much the point, barring something miraculous, we're not gonna get back enough value to warrant moving him. So all "trade melo" scenarios are at such a far fetched point, it's better to just acknowledge we're almost absolutely keeping him.

Even if the Knicks wouldn't get to be legit contenders(and realistically as long as Lebron is in his prime, it's hard seeing anyone challenging them in the East), I don't think it would be the end of the world to have a team that made the playoffs with Melo for the next 2, 3, 4 years... maybe it would be the treadmill team everyone seems to hate, but as long as the team doesn't trade away picks or overpays players just to keep its status quo, it sure beats being bad with nothing but the hope of lucking out on the ping pong balls. I've warmed up to 'treadmill teams' and 'making the playoffs' as goals.

It really is a tricky position. I remember Kobe was forcing the Lakers hand and they went out and were gifted Gasol. Frazier says something very normal and this makes headlines everywhere. It always feels like this organization is on the edge. Ideally, Melo should come out at some point saying that he wants to retire a Knick and is committed to winning in NY with no conditions -- assuming he truly is and wants to be the franchise player. He's not just some rented gun that forced a trade(money exposure), that rejected better winning situations(less money) and now that he's set, he would want out. Maybe that would ease all these questions that will always loom about whether he'll ask out... or even if the organization would be better off trading him. As it is, everyone is second guessing everything and walking on eggshells.

Funny thing is he already did that after he signed his contract last year.

It doesn't matter what Melo says or does the witch hunt has begun like I said it was & it's not gonna stop unless we're in the playoffs.

Articles are gonna start coming out with maybe the team belongs to Porz & not Melo and soon the fans are gonna start agreeing with it.

[Capn'O]

He really doesn't need to say anything. He's probably in Tahiti right now with a big cigar, drinking rum and coconut water, and wearing one of those ridiculous hats.