Political Roundtable Part VIII

[crackhed]

republicans should never wonder why minorities don't vote for them. there are some conservative values that are important, particularly those with regards to self responsibility, national economics and the family construct. but the republican party is no place for sane, clear thinking people

[popper]

republicans should never wonder why minorities don't vote for them. there are some conservative values that are important, particularly those with regards to self responsibility, national economics and the family construct. but the republican party is no place for sane, clear thinking people

I admit it's a dilemma. We have to choose our poison. The choice on the D side is a documented serial liar. Also, Obama's right hand man in Chicago is having a tough time with minorities because it appears he hid the video of an alleged murder of a black man to ensure reelection.

Hillary Clinton’s most repugnant lie

Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire: Hillary Clinton still insists she didn’t tell the grieving families of the Benghazi victims that an anti-Islam video was to blame.

Yet family members say she said just that, three days after the attack, at the Sept. 14, 2012, ceremony at Andrews Air Force Base.
George Stephanopoulos asked her Sunday if she’d told the victims it was about the film. Clinton gave a flat “no.”
She added: “I said very clearly there had been a terrorist group, uh, that had taken responsibility on Facebook, um . . .”

At least four family members disagree.

Tyrone Woods’ father said he hugged Clinton and shook her hand. Then “she said we are going to have the filmmaker arrested who was responsible for the death of my son . . . She said ‘the filmmaker who was responsible for the death of your son.’ ”
Sean Smith’s mother said Hillary is “absolutely lying . . . She said it was because of the video.” Smith’s uncle backs her up.
Glen Doherty’s sister agreed: “When I think back now to that day and what she knew, it shows me a lot about her character that she would choose in that moment to basically perpetuate what she knew was untrue.”

“What she knew” refers to Clinton’s words to daughter Chelsea the night of the assault and the next day to Egypt’s prime minister, which made it plain the secretary of state knew full well that a terror group had long planned the attack.

The lie’s even in her words at the Sept. 14 ceremony: “We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with.”

Just why the administration united around this lie is another editorial. The disgrace here is Clinton’s refusal to admit her role — even pushing the fib to “comfort” the bereaved.

Stiff as the competition is, this has to count as her lowest-down, dirtiest lie of all.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/hillary-clintons-most-repugnant-lie/



Benghazi hero’s sis rips Hillary Clinton

Glen Doherty's sister says Hillary Clinton can't deny conversation

The heartbroken sister of fallen
 Benghazi hero Glen Doherty 
delivered her sharpest criticism yet of former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton yesterday, saying the presidential candidate “wasn’t truthful” about the 2012 terrorist attack.

“She knows that she knew what happened that day and she wasn’t truthful,” Kate Quigley said on Boston Herald Radio’s “Morning Meeting” show yesterday. “This is a woman that will do and say anything to get what she wants. I have very little respect for her. I know what she said to me and she can say all day long that she didn’t say it. That’s her cross to bear.” ……

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2015/12/benghazi_hero_s_sis_rips_hillary_clinton

[JWizmentality]

Watching a Trump supporter defend him is getting kinda scary. It's like watching an emotionless, empty shell. Their eyes glazed over with unapologetic admiration. Like a cult.

[popper]

Pastor: ‘Government As Parent Has Destroyed the Black Family’, Made ‘Black Fatherhood Irrelevant’

By Penny Starr | December 9, 2015 | 4:32 PM EST

At a press conference on Wednesday to announce a new initiative to help youth in the nation’s troubled inner cities, the Rev. Cecil Blye, senior pastor at More Grace Ministries in Louisville, Ky., said federal policies designed to fight poverty in the black community have instead “destroyed” families.

“The paradigm of government as parent has destroyed the black family and made black fatherhood irrelevant,” Blye said at the Stay True to America’s National Destiny (STAND) event at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

“Our welfare policies have incentivized co-habitation, single motherhood, and unemployment,” he said.
Blye, who is also the national vice president of STAND, said the destruction dates back to 1964 when President Lyndon Johnson ushered in what he called the “War on Poverty” designed to build a “Great Society.”

“Fifty years ago President Johnson gave us the notion of the Great Society,” Blye said. “Fifty years later we see there can be no great society without great morality.”

“Fifty years later we see there can be no Great Society when government involvement incentivizes family disintegration, making it more profitable to cohabit than to be married,” Blye said. “We see fifty years later that there can be no Great Society when government involvement incentivizes joblessness making it impossible to make a judgment to take a low-skilled job when you ‘re making more money on the government dole.

“We need to have an awakening,” Blye said. “We need an awakening that saves our cities by strengthening our families and incentivizing personal responsibility and enterprise.”

Blye said whether a child grows up to be healthy by avoiding drugs and criminal activities is much more likely when the father is the head of household, particularly for young black men who need positive role models……..

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/pastor-government-parent-has-destroyed-black-family-america-made-black

[nate33]

Watching a Trump supporter defend him is getting kinda scary. It's like watching an emotionless, empty shell. Their eyes glazed over with unapologetic admiration. Like a cult.

I came across this comment in a Guardian.com article lamenting the rise of Trump and Islamophobia. I think it provides a good insight into the frustration of not just wacko right wingers, but of intelligent, contemplative moderates. These people are observing some pretty serious consequences to the rise of Islam in Europe, but there seems to be a conspiracy among the media and the politicians that nobody can speak about it.

The rise of the Front National in France is entirely the fault of Europe’s liberal, “progressive” voices like The Guardian, Libération, Hollande and Corbyn. Their abject, total failure to live up to their own principles has needlessly handed the far-right a monopoly over one of the most pressing issues of our time.

Ever since 9/11, it’s been apparent that we are witnessing a growing global religious movement, which is implacably and murderously opposed to liberalism, democracy, free speech and secularism.

But the supposed guardians of these progressive values suffered a profound cognitive dissonance in the face of this threat – the Islamist revolution is anti-Western, and its adherents are primarily non-white people from the poorer regions of the world. As the world’s “oppressed”, they had to be defended, never challenged. To do so would be racism, or imperialism.

After each terrorist atrocity, it became more and more clear that these fanatics are driven by an apocalyptic religious idea, not geopolitics or anti-capitalism. But after each atrocity the morally bankrupt European “progressives” doubled down on their absurd interpretation of events, excoriating their own constituency for their “Islamophobia” if they dared to question the accepted narrative. It doesn’t matter that the Islamists themselves constantly tell us that they’re motivated by Islam. The Guardian knows better.

Theo Van Gogh and the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists gave their lives for the liberal, secular values that differentiate us from the religious fanatics. All the Guardian and the rest of the condescending, reactionary left could do is attack them for “offending” the religious sensibilities of the murderers.

When they felt they had to be seen displaying solidarity after the Hebdo attacks, they wheeled out some pathetic, safe platitudes about “free speech”, waving generic placards with a picture of a pencil, while running a mile from any discussion about what’s actually preventing free speech.

The 4th wave feminists that clutter up the Guardian will twitter-storm at the drop of a hat when someone wears a “sexist” shirt, or if someone is mis-gendered in their local Tesco, but they remain totally silent about the many millions of women and LGBT people world-wide who are systematically oppressed in the name of Islam. Ayaan Hirsi Ali lives under 24hr protection for daring to criticise Islam from a feminist perspective, but instead of supporting her, the Guardian run pieces attacking her.

After the 13/11 attacks in Paris, liberal secularists in Europe finally thought that our politicians and media will finally wake up to what’s going on. No such luck. Instead we got the now-familiar onslaught of condescending, absurd warnings about “Islamophobia”, and a faux-polite, mealy-mouthed silence about Islamist religious intolerance. That silence has become deafening.

Something had to give, and it was the duty of the Guardian and Libération to ensure that the inevitable questions were asked in the context of secular, tolerant, liberal values. Their inexcusable, shameful failure to do this means that the same questions will be asked in the context of old school, “blood-and-soil” race hate, like Trump and Le Pen are offering. What’s the Guardian offering?

This is Trump's appeal. His has torn down the wall of censorship so that a true conversation about these issues can take place. If the media is unwilling to critically examine the dark underbelly of Islam and the potential long term ramifications to Western society, then Trump and Le Pen and Viktor Orbán will.

[TGW]

Pastor: ‘Government As Parent Has Destroyed the Black Family’, Made ‘Black Fatherhood Irrelevant’

By Penny Starr | December 9, 2015 | 4:32 PM EST

At a press conference on Wednesday to announce a new initiative to help youth in the nation’s troubled inner cities, the Rev. Cecil Blye, senior pastor at More Grace Ministries in Louisville, Ky., said federal policies designed to fight poverty in the black community have instead “destroyed” families.

“The paradigm of government as parent has destroyed the black family and made black fatherhood irrelevant,” Blye said at the Stay True to America’s National Destiny (STAND) event at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

“Our welfare policies have incentivized co-habitation, single motherhood, and unemployment,” he said.
Blye, who is also the national vice president of STAND, said the destruction dates back to 1964 when President Lyndon Johnson ushered in what he called the “War on Poverty” designed to build a “Great Society.”

“Fifty years ago President Johnson gave us the notion of the Great Society,” Blye said. “Fifty years later we see there can be no great society without great morality.”

“Fifty years later we see there can be no Great Society when government involvement incentivizes family disintegration, making it more profitable to cohabit than to be married,” Blye said. “We see fifty years later that there can be no Great Society when government involvement incentivizes joblessness making it impossible to make a judgment to take a low-skilled job when you ‘re making more money on the government dole.

“We need to have an awakening,” Blye said. “We need an awakening that saves our cities by strengthening our families and incentivizing personal responsibility and enterprise.”

Blye said whether a child grows up to be healthy by avoiding drugs and criminal activities is much more likely when the father is the head of household, particularly for young black men who need positive role models……..

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/pastor-government-parent-has-destroyed-black-family-america-made-black

This is very true popper...the federal government incentivized not being married, which led to the breakdown of not only the black family, but American families in general.

What the Federal government should have done to help the black community was to give black families reparations and/or land, but the federal government was not interested in helping black men gain wealth or improve their economic foothold in society. That's why welfare and foodstamps were offered to unmarried women with children, and consequently why there are so many unmarried black and white women on government assistance.

AGAIN, what I have an issue with is your partisan non-sense and rhetoric. Stop making this a republican/democrat issue--both sides are complicit in the BUSINESS of social welfare.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/01/jp-morgan-s-food-stamp-empire.html

...But as with so many other government programs in Washington, both WIC and its close cousin, the federal food stamp program, have morphed into something else: cash cows for powerful corporate interests.

Chase owns the majority of the SNAP/EBT business in the US. Yes, a freaking bank. My former employer, Xerox [A freakin' printer manufacturer] owns a majority of the rest. I've written dozens of proposals for these programs, and they are all worth billions of dollars. Daddy and Baby Bush, Clinton, and now Obama all ramped UP the funding for these programs because of corporate interest. So if you're going to be outraged, be outraged at ALL OF OUR POLITICIANS, not a select group of people who don't happen to call themselves republicans.

[popper]

Pastor: ‘Government As Parent Has Destroyed the Black Family’, Made ‘Black Fatherhood Irrelevant’

By Penny Starr | December 9, 2015 | 4:32 PM EST

At a press conference on Wednesday to announce a new initiative to help youth in the nation’s troubled inner cities, the Rev. Cecil Blye, senior pastor at More Grace Ministries in Louisville, Ky., said federal policies designed to fight poverty in the black community have instead “destroyed” families.

“The paradigm of government as parent has destroyed the black family and made black fatherhood irrelevant,” Blye said at the Stay True to America’s National Destiny (STAND) event at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

“Our welfare policies have incentivized co-habitation, single motherhood, and unemployment,” he said.
Blye, who is also the national vice president of STAND, said the destruction dates back to 1964 when President Lyndon Johnson ushered in what he called the “War on Poverty” designed to build a “Great Society.”

“Fifty years ago President Johnson gave us the notion of the Great Society,” Blye said. “Fifty years later we see there can be no great society without great morality.”

“Fifty years later we see there can be no Great Society when government involvement incentivizes family disintegration, making it more profitable to cohabit than to be married,” Blye said. “We see fifty years later that there can be no Great Society when government involvement incentivizes joblessness making it impossible to make a judgment to take a low-skilled job when you ‘re making more money on the government dole.

“We need to have an awakening,” Blye said. “We need an awakening that saves our cities by strengthening our families and incentivizing personal responsibility and enterprise.”

Blye said whether a child grows up to be healthy by avoiding drugs and criminal activities is much more likely when the father is the head of household, particularly for young black men who need positive role models……..

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/pastor-government-parent-has-destroyed-black-family-america-made-black

This is very true popper...the federal government incentivized not being married, which led to the breakdown of not only the black family, but American families in general.

What the Federal government should have done to help the black community was to give black families reparations and/or land, but the federal government was not interested in helping black men gain wealth or improve their economic foothold in society. That's why welfare and foodstamps were offered to unmarried women with children, and consequently why there are so many unmarried black and white women on government assistance.

AGAIN, what I have an issue with is your partisan non-sense and rhetoric. Stop making this a republican/democrat issue--both sides are complicit in the BUSINESS of social welfare.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/01/jp-morgan-s-food-stamp-empire.html

...But as with so many other government programs in Washington, both WIC and its close cousin, the federal food stamp program, have morphed into something else: cash cows for powerful corporate interests.

Chase owns the majority of the SNAP/EBT business in the US. Yes, a freaking bank. My former employer, Xerox [A freakin' printer manufacturer] owns a majority of the rest. I've written dozens of proposals for these programs, and they are all worth billions of dollars. Daddy and Baby Bush, Clinton, and now Obama all ramped UP the funding for these programs because of corporate interest. So if you're going to be outraged, be outraged at ALL OF THEM, not a select group of people who don't happen to call themselves republicans.

I agree with most of what you post TGW. I am partisan because I take a side - generally I agree with conservative ideology. I also believe progressive ideology is destructive to the individual and to the country as a whole. Isn't this thread dedicated to political conversation? I'm pretty sure I've been the most polite poster on this thread. Never labeled anybody, never called anybody a name, always read what other's post with the utmost attention and respect. Oh well.

[TGW]

This is Trump's appeal. His has torn down the wall of censorship so that a true conversation about these issues can take place. If the media is unwilling to critically examine the dark underbelly of Islam and the potential long term ramifications to Western society, then Trump and Le Pen and Viktor Orbán will.

That's hilarious Nate. So before Trump, it was taboo to talk negatively about Muslims in America?

If Trump is so worried about the well-being of Americans, why doesn't he target all the threats in America? Why doesn't trump examine the dark underbelly and long term ramifications of right wing lunatics shooting up churches, clinics, movie theatres, and schools? Why are trumps boogiemen always black, latino, and muslim? Why is Trump retweeting fake statistics from white supermacists groups on his twitter page?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-black-crime-police-retweet/

I find it sad that all the xenophobes and racists are all backing trump, and treating him like some hero because he's saying what no one dares to say in public. That's true...no one says those things in public because they are BIGOTED.

[TGW]

I agree with most of what you post TGW. I am partisan because I take a side - generally I agree with conservative ideology. I also believe progressive ideology is destructive to the individual and to the country as a whole. Isn't this thread dedicated to political conversation? I'm pretty sure I've been the most polite poster on this thread. Never labeled anybody, never called anybody a name, always read what other's post with the utmost attention and respect. Oh well.

Hey sorry man...i didn't mean to come off as attacking you. I just see the things you post, and it comes off as partisan and dismissive of the real issue.

For example, your hatred of Hillary Clinton stems from the fact that she identifies as a democrat. But just like you have RINO's, there are DINOs. Hillary Clinton is not a democrat, she is a politician first, who just so happens to identify as a democrat. When she first got into politics in DC, she was a republican.

I guess what I'm saying is, don't look at the R or D next to their name, look at their history, their politics, and their stances. Many of Hillary's positions are very Republican in nature. Don't let bi-partisanship pull the wool over your eyes.

[popper]

I agree with most of what you post TGW. I am partisan because I take a side - generally I agree with conservative ideology. I also believe progressive ideology is destructive to the individual and to the country as a whole. Isn't this thread dedicated to political conversation? I'm pretty sure I've been the most polite poster on this thread. Never labeled anybody, never called anybody a name, always read what other's post with the utmost attention and respect. Oh well.

Hey sorry man...i didn't mean to come off as attacking you. I just see the things you post, and it comes off as partisan and dismissive of the real issue.

For example, your hatred of Hillary Clinton stems from the fact that she identifies as a democrat. But just like you have RINO's, there are DINOs. Hillary Clinton is not a democrat, she is a politician first, who just so happens to identify as a democrat. When she first got into politics in DC, she was a republican.

I guess what I'm saying is, don't look at the R or D next to their name, look at their history, their politics, and their stances. Many of Hillary's positions are very Republican in nature. Don't let bi-partisanship pull the wool over your eyes.

Well said. I've supported and voted for D's in the past and will in the future if I think they can help the country.

edit - I don't hate Hillary. I have no respect for her because she is a serial liar.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Pastor: ‘Government As Parent Has Destroyed the Black Family’, Made ‘Black Fatherhood Irrelevant’

By Penny Starr | December 9, 2015 | 4:32 PM EST

At a press conference on Wednesday to announce a new initiative to help youth in the nation’s troubled inner cities, the Rev. Cecil Blye, senior pastor at More Grace Ministries in Louisville, Ky., said federal policies designed to fight poverty in the black community have instead “destroyed” families.

“The paradigm of government as parent has destroyed the black family and made black fatherhood irrelevant,” Blye said at the Stay True to America’s National Destiny (STAND) event at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

“Our welfare policies have incentivized co-habitation, single motherhood, and unemployment,” he said.
Blye, who is also the national vice president of STAND, said the destruction dates back to 1964 when President Lyndon Johnson ushered in what he called the “War on Poverty” designed to build a “Great Society.”

“Fifty years ago President Johnson gave us the notion of the Great Society,” Blye said. “Fifty years later we see there can be no great society without great morality.”

“Fifty years later we see there can be no Great Society when government involvement incentivizes family disintegration, making it more profitable to cohabit than to be married,” Blye said. “We see fifty years later that there can be no Great Society when government involvement incentivizes joblessness making it impossible to make a judgment to take a low-skilled job when you ‘re making more money on the government dole.

“We need to have an awakening,” Blye said. “We need an awakening that saves our cities by strengthening our families and incentivizing personal responsibility and enterprise.”

Blye said whether a child grows up to be healthy by avoiding drugs and criminal activities is much more likely when the father is the head of household, particularly for young black men who need positive role models……..

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/pastor-government-parent-has-destroyed-black-family-america-made-black

This has become conventional wisdom, and there's probably some truth to it. The mass incarceration of black men -- and the punitive (as opposed to rehabilitative) nature of our prison system played a role too. Especially the post-imprisonment effects like the inability to get a job because of a criminal record. In something as complex as a social system, it's often difficult to isolate a single cause.

[dckingsfan]

Pastor: ‘Government As Parent Has Destroyed the Black Family’, Made ‘Black Fatherhood Irrelevant’

By Penny Starr | December 9, 2015 | 4:32 PM EST

At a press conference on Wednesday to announce a new initiative to help youth in the nation’s troubled inner cities, the Rev. Cecil Blye, senior pastor at More Grace Ministries in Louisville, Ky., said federal policies designed to fight poverty in the black community have instead “destroyed” families.

“The paradigm of government as parent has destroyed the black family and made black fatherhood irrelevant,” Blye said at the Stay True to America’s National Destiny (STAND) event at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

“Our welfare policies have incentivized co-habitation, single motherhood, and unemployment,” he said.
Blye, who is also the national vice president of STAND, said the destruction dates back to 1964 when President Lyndon Johnson ushered in what he called the “War on Poverty” designed to build a “Great Society.”

“Fifty years ago President Johnson gave us the notion of the Great Society,” Blye said. “Fifty years later we see there can be no great society without great morality.”

“Fifty years later we see there can be no Great Society when government involvement incentivizes family disintegration, making it more profitable to cohabit than to be married,” Blye said. “We see fifty years later that there can be no Great Society when government involvement incentivizes joblessness making it impossible to make a judgment to take a low-skilled job when you ‘re making more money on the government dole.

“We need to have an awakening,” Blye said. “We need an awakening that saves our cities by strengthening our families and incentivizing personal responsibility and enterprise.”

Blye said whether a child grows up to be healthy by avoiding drugs and criminal activities is much more likely when the father is the head of household, particularly for young black men who need positive role models……..

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/pastor-government-parent-has-destroyed-black-family-america-made-black

This has become conventional wisdom, and there's probably some truth to it. The mass incarceration of black men -- and the punitive (as opposed to rehabilitative) nature of our prison system played a role too. Especially the post-imprisonment effects like the inability to get a job because of a criminal record. In something as complex as a social system, it's often difficult to isolate a single cause.

And regardless of fault - it is probably the single most important issue we should focus to improve the lives of black children. I am still waiting on a good proposal from either the Rs or Ds on this.

[TGW]

edit - I don't hate Hillary. I have no respect for her because she is a serial liar.

Truer words have never been spoken. The Clintons are some ofthe biggest liars in the history of American politics.

[TheSecretWeapon]

edit - I don't hate Hillary. I have no respect for her because she is a serial liar.

Truer words have never been spoken. The Clintons are some ofthe biggest liars in the history of American politics.

According to the fact checkers at PolitiFact, Hilary is nowhere close to the biggest liar in politics.

PolitiFact rates claims they've fact checked in one of the following categories:

- True
- Mostly True
- Half True
- Mostly False
- False
- Pants on Fire

I combined the first two as "truth" and the last three as "liar".

Here are the TRUTH leaders (self-selected group of news makers), according to Politifact:

1. Bernie Sanders 53%
2. Hilary Clinton 51%
3. Barack Obama/Jeb Bush (tie) 48%
4. Marco Rubio 38%
5. Ted Cruz 22%
6. Donald Trump 7%
7. Chain e-mails 6%

On the LIAR leaderboard:

1. Chain e-mails 89%
2. Trump 75%
3. Cruz 66%
4. Rubio 40%
5. Jeb Bush 31%
6. Hilary Clinton 29%
7. Sanders 28%
8. Obama 26%

If I make it into a ratio -- TRUTH/LIAR, I get these results:

1. Sanders 1.92 (truths per lie)
2. Obama 1.86
3. Clinton 1.78
4. J.Bush 1.55
5. Rubio 0.94
6. Cruz 0.33
7. Trump 0.09
8. Chain e-mail 0.07

[Pitbull]

According to the fact checkers at PolitiFact, Hilary is nowhere close to the biggest liar in politics.

PolitiFact rates claims they've fact checked in one of the following categories:

- True
- Mostly True
- Half True
- Mostly False
- False
- Pants on Fire

I combined the first two as "truth" and the last three as "liar".

Here are the TRUTH leaders (self-selected group of news makers), according to Politifact:

1. Bernie Sanders 53%
2. Hilary Clinton 51%
3. Barack Obama/Jeb Bush (tie) 48%
4. Marco Rubio 38%
5. Ted Cruz 22%
6. Donald Trump 7%
7. Chain e-mails 6%

On the LIAR leaderboard:

1. Chain e-mails 89%
2. Trump 75%
3. Cruz 66%
4. Rubio 40%
5. Jeb Bush 31%
6. Hilary Clinton 29%
7. Sanders 28%
8. Obama 26%

If I make it into a ratio -- TRUTH/LIAR, I get these results:

1. Sanders 1.92 (truths per lie)
2. Obama 1.86
3. Clinton 1.78
4. J.Bush 1.55
5. Rubio 0.94
6. Cruz 0.33
7. Trump 0.09
8. Chain e-mail 0.07

Bravo! It's easy to throw the lying label at politicians, but it's all relative. That research is very, very interesting. I think it puts things in perspective.

Clinton may be a liar, but there are worse.. Much, much worse... especially in the party that enjoys throwing that accusation around so flippantly.

[TGW]

And regardless of fault - it is probably the single most important issue we should focus to improve the lives of black children. I am still waiting on a good proposal from either the Rs or Ds on this.

Two things affecting the lives of black children: economic deprivation and an de-emphasis on education. My plan would be to stabilize black households and incentavize education.

1) one-time reparations of $25,000 to married african-american households that have been in-tact for at least 3 years and have NOT been on government assistance in the past 3 years (with a salary cap of $200K net household income). This would minimize the systematic dependency on government assistance, and allow the black community to purchase stores, businesses, properties, and other items that build wealth.

AA's who are not eligible = immigrants, children of immigrants (like me ), couples making over $200K net hh income (also me), those who've been on government assistance in the past 3 years, and interracial households or children of interracial background (a line would have to be drawn somewhere)

2) tax benefits for AA households with children obtaining/maintaining a certain GPA. this would incentivize parents to be involved in the schooling of their children, since it would benefit them during tax time. unfortunately, because white people with HS diplomas are more likely to get a job than a black college grad, higher education in the black community has been stigmatized. we need to end that cycle.

i know these ideas would be unpopular, but the black community is in the situation there in mostly because of the government. my opinion is that AA's should be a protected group, much like native americans.

[nate33]

You will forgive me if I doubt the fairness of an organization started by the Tampa Bay Times, a liberal paper that has endorsed the Democrat presidential candidate in every election since 1948.

[TheSecretWeapon]

You will forgive me if I doubt the fairness of an organization started by the Tampa Bay Times, a liberal paper that has endorsed the Democrat presidential candidate in every election since 1948.

The battle cry of everyone who doesn't like the results.

Like the late Ken Beatrice, I don't have the resources to fact check everything myself. I'd be happy to run a similar analysis using a different source. I looked at FactCheck.org, but they don't have a summary section like PolitiFact does. I checked a few other sites too, and same deal: no summary section. Unfortunately, I don't have time to sift through thousands of articles to see what the rulings are.

[nate33]

You will forgive me if I doubt the fairness of an organization started by the Tampa Bay Times, a liberal paper that has endorsed the Democrat presidential candidate in every election since 1948.

The battle cry of everyone who doesn't like the results.

Indeed.

[Dat2U]

Watching a Trump supporter defend him is getting kinda scary. It's like watching an emotionless, empty shell. Their eyes glazed over with unapologetic admiration. Like a cult.

That's exactly what they are. A spiritually empty shell.