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Post#161 » by Net Sentence » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:13 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I am not averse to D'Antoni being the offensive assistant to a head coach but he's with Philly.


If we brought in D'Antoni we are setting him up to fail. We dont have the personnel to run his system. Lopez doesnt fit his system because he holds the ball too long and like to play back to the basket. RHJ doesnt fit his system because he isnt a 3pt shooter. Thad doesnt fit his system because he doesnt set picks well enough.

Thib's is the coach for this roster. He likes halfcourt grind it out offense.
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Post#162 » by Prokorov » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:44 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:I am not averse to D'Antoni being the offensive assistant to a head coach but he's with Philly.


If we brought in D'Antoni we are setting him up to fail. We dont have the personnel to run his system. Lopez doesnt fit his system because he holds the ball too long and like to play back to the basket. RHJ doesnt fit his system because he isnt a 3pt shooter. Thad doesnt fit his system because he doesnt set picks well enough.

Thib's is the coach for this roster. He likes halfcourt grind it out offense.


i agree on all of that,... however i dont think the coach we get should be assuming this is the roster he will be coaching. we will likely look very different next season. anywhere from 3-5 new starters and 4-8 new rotational players
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Post#163 » by Net Sentence » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:37 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:I am not averse to D'Antoni being the offensive assistant to a head coach but he's with Philly.


If we brought in D'Antoni we are setting him up to fail. We dont have the personnel to run his system. Lopez doesnt fit his system because he holds the ball too long and like to play back to the basket. RHJ doesnt fit his system because he isnt a 3pt shooter. Thad doesnt fit his system because he doesnt set picks well enough.

Thib's is the coach for this roster. He likes halfcourt grind it out offense.


i agree on all of that,... however i dont think the coach we get should be assuming this is the roster he will be coaching. we will likely look very different next season. anywhere from 3-5 new starters and 4-8 new rotational players


I agree with that also. God knows I would love to trade Lopez but it seems like he is coming back. Without an athletic big like Stat to roll to the basket I dont see his offense working.
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Post#164 » by Paradise » Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:23 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:I am not averse to D'Antoni being the offensive assistant to a head coach but he's with Philly.


If we brought in D'Antoni we are setting him up to fail. We dont have the personnel to run his system. Lopez doesnt fit his system because he holds the ball too long and like to play back to the basket. RHJ doesnt fit his system because he isnt a 3pt shooter. Thad doesnt fit his system because he doesnt set picks well enough.

Thib's is the coach for this roster. He likes halfcourt grind it out offense.


i agree on all of that,... however i dont think the coach we get should be assuming this is the roster he will be coaching. we will likely look very different next season. anywhere from 3-5 new starters and 4-8 new rotational players

Exactly. There really are no untouchables here. RHJ is the closest it gets.
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Post#165 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:48 pm

surprised that being today, there's no rumors of BKN's potential dealings... whether warranted or unwarrented
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Post#166 » by Prokorov » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:19 pm

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If we brought in D'Antoni we are setting him up to fail. We dont have the personnel to run his system. Lopez doesnt fit his system because he holds the ball too long and like to play back to the basket. RHJ doesnt fit his system because he isnt a 3pt shooter. Thad doesnt fit his system because he doesnt set picks well enough.

Thib's is the coach for this roster. He likes halfcourt grind it out offense.


i agree on all of that,... however i dont think the coach we get should be assuming this is the roster he will be coaching. we will likely look very different next season. anywhere from 3-5 new starters and 4-8 new rotational players


I agree with that also. God knows I would love to trade Lopez but it seems like he is coming back. Without an athletic big like Stat to roll to the basket I dont see his offense working.


to be honest, id prefer brook not be back regardless of who the coach is. i dont see him getting much better under anyone, and for 20M id rather allocate that to someone else. if i can get salary relief and a first rounder in the 8-22 range id take it. it would also allow us to offer 2 full max deals, while also keeping thad on his solid contract.
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Post#167 » by Paradise » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:12 am

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Post#168 » by Prokorov » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:21 am

Interested in hearing who the GM candidates are. Thibs makes sense as he is obviously one of the top available coaching candidates..., but id love for a GM to be in place and that GM to be high on bringing thibs in. i want cohesion
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Post#169 » by Ror1997 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:01 am

I can't shake the feeling that we're gonna f this up and do something dumb like hire Ewing as HC for the publicity
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Post#170 » by shakendfries » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:01 am

The Nets could go with the flashy hire route and grab John Calipari, or it can go and recycle a coach like Tom Thibodeaux, but if the Nets are going to head in a direction that is more focused on player development and building a culture, Kenny Atkinson is one of the best options available out there. Atkinson, an assistant under Budenholzer has worked in Atlanta since 2012. Before that, he was an assistant with the Knicks and was credited by Jeremy Lin for being an encouraging figure:

"I mean this guy wakes up at 6 a.m. every morning," Lin says. "I’ll text after a game at midnight, 1 o’clock when I go home and I’ll say, ‘Hey can I look at those turnovers. Can I look at the upcoming team? How they run pick and rolls?’ And he ’ll have the film ready when I walk into the facility the next morning.

"When I wasn’t playing much, we were working out before practice, and after practice he was picking apart my game, teaching me what it’s like to play in Coach D’Antoni’s system."


ESPN had a nice article a few months back on the top coaching prospects and highlighted Atkinson as one of the most promising figures in the coaching community.

The NBA's top head-coaching prospects

Numerous conversations with execs, current and former coaches, players and scouts revealed some common ideas about how the league is identifying and hiring coaching talent:

You're a manager first: It's not that whiteboard wizardry is out of fashion, but "can get the buy-in" is the new "defensive mastermind." Tactical prowess means zilch if a coach lacks the power of persuasion to get his team to run all that pretty stuff. To do that, a coach has to manage the sensitivities of his players, all of whom require different messages. He has to handle a large staff, sell ideas to the guys upstairs and schmooze the media (but resist taking credit, lest he tick off players, management and ownership). Owners and general managers hiring a coach appreciate more than ever not only the enormousness of the job, but the nuanced roles that go with it.

The new blood: A couple of general managers noted that the success stories from the classes of 2013 and 2014 are largely first-time NBA head coaches. More notably, the retreads are having a tough go of it. The game is evolving quickly, and those who see a head-coaching gig in the NBA as continuing education are reaping the benefits, and those who feel as though they have all the answers are finding themselves at a loss when they learn the questions have changed.

There's no hard-and-fast formula: The league is learning that there's no one single way to arrive at the first chair on an NBA sideline. Start from the top of the leaguewide standings and you'll find teams coached by: a former player who had stints as both a general manager and a color analyst, a career assistant to the game's top coaching luminary, a standout D-League and CBA champion coach, a Hall of Fame power forward and veteran point guard, neither of whom served a single game as an assistant coach, as well as a legend of European coaching. Accordingly, few front offices have a predetermined type anymore. It's the human, not the resume.

The dual role: Find a grouchy NBA head coach and there's a good chance his primary grievance is that he hasn't been furnished with a roster that can execute what he wants to run. He's also peeved because he hasn't been consulted sufficiently on the selection of those players. In response, a number of prestige head coaches are angling for final authority on all basketball operations matters. Doc Rivers, Stan Van Gundy and Flip Saunders have joined Gregg Popovich as principals who preside over both the sideline and front office. With Danny Ferry in exile, Budenholzer is currently the Hawks' senior basketball ops manager. George Karl and Kidd have a very strong say with ownership in Sacramento and Milwaukee, respectively. But there's good reason why this model rarely succeeds. NBA head coach and NBA general manager are jobs far too demanding to combine unless there's the utmost trust in those empowered with the day-to-day responsibilities (see San Antonio).

In the spring of 2013 and 2014, we canvassed insiders for the names of coaches who, given the opportunity to lead an NBA team, have the tools to succeed. Those on the previous two lists who subsequently have been hired include Blatt, Joerger, Kerr and Snyder.

An individual on the list can't have previously had an NBA head-coaching gig. We also bypass those who have been on the list previously, though it's worth noting Fred Hoiberg, Dave Fizdale, Jim Boylen and Adrian Griffin each popped up more than once this time.

Here are six coaches whose combination of intelligence, work ethic, experience, people skills and temperament make them interesting candidates for an NBA head-coaching position either sooner or later:

Kenny Atkinson, Atlanta Hawks assistant coach

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The arrival of a new head coach often signals the exodus of the previous staff. But when Budenholzer was brought on in Atlanta in 2013, Ferry strongly recommended retaining Atkinson, his first hire. Budenholzer didn't need much persuading. Player development was Atkinson's strength and it was a priority in Atlanta. And feedback among the Hawks players was so overwhelmingly positive bringing Atkinson back was a no-brainer.

After four seasons under Mike D'Antoni in New York, Atkinson has flourished in Atlanta as far more than a player-development guy. He's earned a reputation as an affable teacher who is both cerebral and a high-level communicator. He thoroughly enjoys getting on the floor with a player and sees that individual development work as a collaboration between player and coach.

"He believes you can improve as a player, even at the highest level, and that there's always something you can add to your game," Hawks big man Al Horford says. "He's been here for three years with me, and he's challenged me. For instance, before he got here, I was pretty much a shooter on the pick-and-pop. I was never really driving. Kenny has challenged me to put the ball on the floor. It's something we've worked on together, and now it's something I feel comfortable doing."

After a nice college career as a point guard at Richmond, Atkinson had a long career in Europe, where he stayed to coach before heading to New York. He's worldly, with a curiosity for forward-thinking ideas, everything from injury prevention to analytics. He's someone who would look for new solutions as a head coach rather than insist he has every answer and rely on tired conventional wisdom.

Philadelphia general manager Sam Hinkie gave Atkinson a look in 2013, and there's a strong belief around the league that he's earned another series of interviews as one of the top assistant coaches currently on the market.
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Post#171 » by Prokorov » Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:54 pm

shakendfries wrote:The Nets could go with the flashy hire route and grab John Calipari, or it can go and recycle a coach like Tom Thibodeaux, but if the Nets are going to head in a direction that is more focused on player development and building a culture, Kenny Atkinson is one of the best options available out there. Atkinson, an assistant under Budenholzer has worked in Atlanta since 2012. Before that, he was an assistant with the Knicks and was credited by Jeremy Lin for being an encouraging figure:

"I mean this guy wakes up at 6 a.m. every morning," Lin says. "I’ll text after a game at midnight, 1 o’clock when I go home and I’ll say, ‘Hey can I look at those turnovers. Can I look at the upcoming team? How they run pick and rolls?’ And he ’ll have the film ready when I walk into the facility the next morning.

"When I wasn’t playing much, we were working out before practice, and after practice he was picking apart my game, teaching me what it’s like to play in Coach D’Antoni’s system."


ESPN had a nice article a few months back on the top coaching prospects and highlighted Atkinson as one of the most promising figures in the coaching community.

The NBA's top head-coaching prospects

Numerous conversations with execs, current and former coaches, players and scouts revealed some common ideas about how the league is identifying and hiring coaching talent:

You're a manager first: It's not that whiteboard wizardry is out of fashion, but "can get the buy-in" is the new "defensive mastermind." Tactical prowess means zilch if a coach lacks the power of persuasion to get his team to run all that pretty stuff. To do that, a coach has to manage the sensitivities of his players, all of whom require different messages. He has to handle a large staff, sell ideas to the guys upstairs and schmooze the media (but resist taking credit, lest he tick off players, management and ownership). Owners and general managers hiring a coach appreciate more than ever not only the enormousness of the job, but the nuanced roles that go with it.

The new blood: A couple of general managers noted that the success stories from the classes of 2013 and 2014 are largely first-time NBA head coaches. More notably, the retreads are having a tough go of it. The game is evolving quickly, and those who see a head-coaching gig in the NBA as continuing education are reaping the benefits, and those who feel as though they have all the answers are finding themselves at a loss when they learn the questions have changed.

There's no hard-and-fast formula: The league is learning that there's no one single way to arrive at the first chair on an NBA sideline. Start from the top of the leaguewide standings and you'll find teams coached by: a former player who had stints as both a general manager and a color analyst, a career assistant to the game's top coaching luminary, a standout D-League and CBA champion coach, a Hall of Fame power forward and veteran point guard, neither of whom served a single game as an assistant coach, as well as a legend of European coaching. Accordingly, few front offices have a predetermined type anymore. It's the human, not the resume.

The dual role: Find a grouchy NBA head coach and there's a good chance his primary grievance is that he hasn't been furnished with a roster that can execute what he wants to run. He's also peeved because he hasn't been consulted sufficiently on the selection of those players. In response, a number of prestige head coaches are angling for final authority on all basketball operations matters. Doc Rivers, Stan Van Gundy and Flip Saunders have joined Gregg Popovich as principals who preside over both the sideline and front office. With Danny Ferry in exile, Budenholzer is currently the Hawks' senior basketball ops manager. George Karl and Kidd have a very strong say with ownership in Sacramento and Milwaukee, respectively. But there's good reason why this model rarely succeeds. NBA head coach and NBA general manager are jobs far too demanding to combine unless there's the utmost trust in those empowered with the day-to-day responsibilities (see San Antonio).

In the spring of 2013 and 2014, we canvassed insiders for the names of coaches who, given the opportunity to lead an NBA team, have the tools to succeed. Those on the previous two lists who subsequently have been hired include Blatt, Joerger, Kerr and Snyder.

An individual on the list can't have previously had an NBA head-coaching gig. We also bypass those who have been on the list previously, though it's worth noting Fred Hoiberg, Dave Fizdale, Jim Boylen and Adrian Griffin each popped up more than once this time.

Here are six coaches whose combination of intelligence, work ethic, experience, people skills and temperament make them interesting candidates for an NBA head-coaching position either sooner or later:

Kenny Atkinson, Atlanta Hawks assistant coach

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The arrival of a new head coach often signals the exodus of the previous staff. But when Budenholzer was brought on in Atlanta in 2013, Ferry strongly recommended retaining Atkinson, his first hire. Budenholzer didn't need much persuading. Player development was Atkinson's strength and it was a priority in Atlanta. And feedback among the Hawks players was so overwhelmingly positive bringing Atkinson back was a no-brainer.

After four seasons under Mike D'Antoni in New York, Atkinson has flourished in Atlanta as far more than a player-development guy. He's earned a reputation as an affable teacher who is both cerebral and a high-level communicator. He thoroughly enjoys getting on the floor with a player and sees that individual development work as a collaboration between player and coach.

"He believes you can improve as a player, even at the highest level, and that there's always something you can add to your game," Hawks big man Al Horford says. "He's been here for three years with me, and he's challenged me. For instance, before he got here, I was pretty much a shooter on the pick-and-pop. I was never really driving. Kenny has challenged me to put the ball on the floor. It's something we've worked on together, and now it's something I feel comfortable doing."

After a nice college career as a point guard at Richmond, Atkinson had a long career in Europe, where he stayed to coach before heading to New York. He's worldly, with a curiosity for forward-thinking ideas, everything from injury prevention to analytics. He's someone who would look for new solutions as a head coach rather than insist he has every answer and rely on tired conventional wisdom.

Philadelphia general manager Sam Hinkie gave Atkinson a look in 2013, and there's a strong belief around the league that he's earned another series of interviews as one of the top assistant coaches currently on the market.


if im trying to turn this down, i dont do it with someone with no HC experience. i see atkinson as an assistant. and not one established free agents will be dying to sign with us to play for. to me its a shot in the dark. unless our GM is in love with the guy, i dont think thats a direction id want to go
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Post#172 » by jbeachboy » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:14 pm

atkinson should be a fallback option if we lose out to thibodeau or monty williams. who do you guys like between ferry and colangelo for gm?
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Post#173 » by shakendfries » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:29 am

Danny Ferry - he has a philosophy of acquiring assets. I like Thibs + Monty, but I'd like them better if the Nets were a team trying to go from good to great. Right now we need to work on going from bad to good, and should prioritize nabbing a coach and GM who can develop the team into something cohesive. The Nets don't really have a solid core that a seasoned coach can push to the next level yet. Danny Ferry already has a relationship with Atkinson, and I like the way he works with developing what a team already has (Jeff Teague - 19th pick, Dennis Schroeder - 15th pick). I don't think everyone a team drafts has a shot at being a starter, but we should get a coach + GM combo that puts the team's youth in the best position to succeed.

I'll admit I was wrong about Hollins. It really sounds like just about everyone hated him for just being a curmudgeon. I love how the Nets are playing now btw without Hollins, and all of the ppl with no HC experience that have been hired in recent years - Brad Stevens, Steve Kerr, Jason Kidd, Mike Budenholzer, Jeff Hornacek, Quinn Snyder, Billy Donnovan- have fared better than the rehashes, SVG, Doc Rivers, George Karl.
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Post#174 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:49 pm

The Nets have interest in Thibs, notice there is nothing coming out saying that the feeling is mutual?

If Thibs knew what was best for him, he'd steer clear of this dumpster fire.
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Post#175 » by jbeachboy » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:25 pm

thibs will see if there is a better team, i do want atkinson if nets dont hire thibs. i think we will end up with bryan colangelo since people are still upset with danny ferry for saying those comments about deng. i also prefer monty williams over mark jackson if we interviewed them.
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Post#176 » by Claud » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:00 pm

Atkinson won't be the coach IMO. Same can be said for coach Cal. From the names I've read it's between Thibs and Monty Williams.
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Post#177 » by jbeachboy » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:52 pm

yeah i mean kenny atkinson doesnt have any experience although he is learning from bud in atlanta. monty williams will be my choice if we cant get thibodeau. i dont think calipari is leaving kentucky. i hope nets hire bryan colangelo. i like ferry too but he may be controversial and a distraction due to reading those comments. im ok with ferry too if they are ok.
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Post#178 » by Paradise » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:58 pm

So, N is reporting that IF Danny Ferry is hired. He would retain most of Billy's staff and would ultimately have the control to bring Billy King back in some assistant role.

No thanks. I am a huge supporter of bringing Danny Ferry here after his terrific stint in Atlanta but the FO needs an overhaul. The last thing we need is a GM who wants to bring back his bestie on top of the reputation he created from the Loul Deng situation. That's James Dolan/Isisah Thomas 2.0. right there. I don't even want Billy King to be in charge of running the Long Island Nets.

I think I've come to terms with the reality we will hire Bryan Colangelo. He's clearly not perfect but he is a substantial upgrade to Billy King.
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Post#179 » by jbeachboy » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:12 pm

Paradise wrote:So, N is reporting that IF Danny Ferry is hired. He would retain most of Billy's staff and would ultimately have the control to bring Billy King back in some assistant role.

No thanks. I am a huge supporter of bringing Danny Ferry here after his terrific stint in Atlanta but the FO needs an overhaul. The last thing we need is a GM who wants to bring back his bestie on top of the reputation he created from the Loul Deng situation. That's James Dolan/Isisah Thomas 2.0. right there. I don't even want Billy King to be in charge of running the Long Island Nets.

I think I've come to terms with the reality we will hire Bryan Colangelo. He's clearly not perfect but he is a substantial upgrade to Billy King.



im ok if king is like a draft scout or consultant and nothing more than that. where are you reading danny ferry wants to bring back billy king? the only thing i dont like is colangelo does love european players more which is more risky. nets value relations around the league so ferry reputation may be damaged from the luol deng situation and we really need a guy with credibility and colangelo has more of that than ferry who is trying to get back into the league after reading those comments and the hatred he unfairly got.
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Post#180 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:28 pm

Paradise wrote:So, N is reporting that IF Danny Ferry is hired. He would retain most of Billy's staff and would ultimately have the control to bring Billy King back in some assistant role.

No thanks. I am a huge supporter of bringing Danny Ferry here after his terrific stint in Atlanta but the FO needs an overhaul. The last thing we need is a GM who wants to bring back his bestie on top of the reputation he created from the Loul Deng situation. That's James Dolan/Isisah Thomas 2.0. right there. I don't even want Billy King to be in charge of running the Long Island Nets.

I think I've come to terms with the reality we will hire Bryan Colangelo. He's clearly not perfect but he is a substantial upgrade to Billy King.


Ferry's terrific run in ATL is only due to Billy King in the 1st place. No thanks
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