Have You Panickers Actually Thought This Through?

stevemcqueen1 · Post #161 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Mar 3, 2016 2:33 pm

Being pedantic, but you mean Hoiberg CCJ, not Donovan. I think your point is correct though. First year head coach who isn't used to the long grind of an NBA season is bound to take its toll on the team. Also Jimmy Butler's injury really took the wind out of their sails.

I think another thing limiting Detroit, aside from the factors you mentioned, is that they don't have a starry high usage offensive player. It's really important to be able to fall back on a player like that. Otherwise your execution always has to be perfect and that's so hard to maintain.

I'm not sure why Indy is doing some scuffling. They have a superstar to lean on in Paul George. Good coach. Good home court advantage. Seems like they've hit a wall.

Post #162 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Thu Mar 3, 2016 4:15 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:I'm not sure why Indy is doing some scuffling. They have a superstar to lean on in Paul George. Good coach. Good home court advantage. Seems like they've hit a wall.

Paul George isn't really a superstar, though. His past couple healthy seasons, he's gotten off to GREAT starts and then his production has dipped significantly. He's kinda like Wall in the sense that he's capable of being a franchise star, but doesn't really produce at that level.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #163 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Mar 3, 2016 9:01 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:I'm not sure why Indy is doing some scuffling. They have a superstar to lean on in Paul George. Good coach. Good home court advantage. Seems like they've hit a wall.

Paul George isn't really a superstar, though. His past couple healthy seasons, he's gotten off to GREAT starts and then his production has dipped significantly. He's kinda like Wall in the sense that he's capable of being a franchise star, but doesn't really produce at that level.

Would you say that Wall is better than him?

I think those two are the second and third best players in the conference in some order.

I also think Paul George is somewhat miscast as a 30% usage go to scorer. I think he's a modern Scottie Pippen who is best used as a second option facilitator when he's on the ball, shooter when he's off the ball, and primary on ball perimeter defender.

Post #164 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Thu Mar 3, 2016 9:11 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:I'm not sure why Indy is doing some scuffling. They have a superstar to lean on in Paul George. Good coach. Good home court advantage. Seems like they've hit a wall.

Paul George isn't really a superstar, though. His past couple healthy seasons, he's gotten off to GREAT starts and then his production has dipped significantly. He's kinda like Wall in the sense that he's capable of being a franchise star, but doesn't really produce at that level.

Would you say that Wall is better than him?

I think those two are the second and third best players in the conference in some order.

I also think Paul George is somewhat miscast as a 30% usage go to scorer. I think he's a modern Scottie Pippen who is best used as a second option facilitator when he's on the ball, shooter when he's off the ball, and primary on ball perimeter defender.

In my metric, Wall's been a little better this season; George has the higher peak, and the slightly higher career rating.

As for where they rank in the conference, it kinda depends on what you mean by "best." If you're talking top-end potential, I might agree. If you're talking about performance this season, they'd be further down the list. Both very good players, of course. Just not at the elite level.

Post #165 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Mar 3, 2016 9:32 pm

It's possible he just got tired from the grind after coming back from his injury. It's also possible the switching between PF and SF hasn't helped - to make time for Myles Turner rather than CJ Miles. And I'm probably doing Myles and Miles of rationalizing.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #166 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Mar 3, 2016 9:35 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Being pedantic, but you mean Hoiberg CCJ, not Donovan. I think your point is correct though. First year head coach who isn't used to the long grind of an NBA season is bound to take its toll on the team. Also Jimmy Butler's injury really took the wind out of their sails.

I think another thing limiting Detroit, aside from the factors you mentioned, is that they don't have a starry high usage offensive player. It's really important to be able to fall back on a player like that. Otherwise your execution always has to be perfect and that's so hard to maintain.

I'm not sure why Indy is doing some scuffling. They have a superstar to lean on in Paul George. Good coach. Good home court advantage. Seems like they've hit a wall.

Hoiberg, Donovan...like my people. All look alike....

Thanks, stevemcqueen!

Nothing wrong with straight facts.

I used to be pedagogy. "Pedantic away, brah", as I would now say.

Post #167 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Thu Mar 3, 2016 9:53 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:Paul George isn't really a superstar, though. His past couple healthy seasons, he's gotten off to GREAT starts and then his production has dipped significantly. He's kinda like Wall in the sense that he's capable of being a franchise star, but doesn't really produce at that level.

Would you say that Wall is better than him?

I think those two are the second and third best players in the conference in some order.

I also think Paul George is somewhat miscast as a 30% usage go to scorer. I think he's a modern Scottie Pippen who is best used as a second option facilitator when he's on the ball, shooter when he's off the ball, and primary on ball perimeter defender.

In my metric, Wall's been a little better this season; George has the higher peak, and the slightly higher career rating.

As for where they rank in the conference, it kinda depends on what you mean by "best." If you're talking top-end potential, I might agree. If you're talking about performance this season, they'd be further down the list. Both very good players, of course. Just not at the elite level.

Here's Wall and George in PPA year-by-year:

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YEAR    WALL    PPA     GEORGE  PPA     
1       2606     93     1265     79     
2       2386    110     1958    138     
3       1602    139     2972    132     
4       2980    139     2898    163     
5       2837    151       91     37     
6       2119    153     2124    146     
                                                                
TOTAL   14530   130     11308   137

The column under their names is minutes in that season.

Post #168 » by **montestewart** » Sun Mar 6, 2016 3:05 am

I know they had a chance to grab 8th seed and gain ground on another team. I know they just lost Beal. But honestly, you all are overreacting. These guys are gelling, kind of like her…

JWizmentality · Post #169 » by **JWizmentality** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 6:46 am

Bump for the lols

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Post #170 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 2:52 pm

Btw, we have to catch 4 teams below us to get the 9th pick - virtually no chance. Btw, that's a fact - not a panic - for those who haven't thought this through.

lastemp3ror · Post #171 » by **lastemp3ror** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 3:24 pm

Ruzious wrote:Btw, we have to catch 4 teams below us to get the 9th pick - virtually no chance. Btw, that's a fact - not a panic - for those who haven't thought this through.

Then my first parameter is filled for seeing Ernie get fired. Now we just have to miss the playoffs as well.

payitforward · Post #172 » by **payitforward** » Wed Mar 9, 2016 4:05 pm

Yup -- it's the facts that would make a person panicky.

Btw, where is Millie? Doesn't he need to come in and say it's all because of our injuries?

fishercob · Post #173 » by **fishercob** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:46 pm

MikeTheKid · Post #174 » by **MikeTheKid** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:58 pm

closg00 · Post #175 » by **closg00** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:27 pm

payitforward wrote:Yup -- it's the facts that would make a person panicky.

Btw, where is Millie? Doesn't he need to come in and say it's all because of our injuries?

With the current losing-streak and playoff hopes slipping away, Millie was reincarnated as jarlmaster47 (IMO) The Master has been banned I see, perhaps the jig was up on the entire troll operation.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #176 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:46 pm

MikeTheKid wrote:

"Suffer, Wizards fans. I own the GM job and there's nothing you can do but watch in misery!"

tontoz · Post #177 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:14 am

Milellie hasnt been able to post because....whatever but i have a message from him.

Kanyewest · Post #178 » by **Kanyewest** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:53 am

Maybe Millie is the new Jinx- every time he posts the Wizards seem to worse.

payitforward · Post #179 » by **payitforward** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:14 pm

closg00 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Yup -- it's the facts that would make a person panicky.

Btw, where is Millie? Doesn't he need to come in and say it's all because of our injuries?

With the current losing-streak and playoff hopes slipping away, Millie was reincarnated as jarlmaster47 (IMO) The Master has been banned I see, perhaps the jig was up on the entire troll operation.

Why was jarlmaster47 banned?

Post #180 » by **nate33** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:19 pm

payitforward wrote:
closg00 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Yup -- it's the facts that would make a person panicky.

Btw, where is Millie? Doesn't he need to come in and say it's all because of our injuries?

With the current losing-streak and playoff hopes slipping away, Millie was reincarnated as jarlmaster47 (IMO) The Master has been banned I see, perhaps the jig was up on the entire troll operation.

Why was jarlmaster47 banned?

It was done by a moderator that I don't know (not one of ours). The reason stated was somewhat cryptic. It appeared that there was some history there.