Is JV a low IQ player?

[Young_Buc]

Which one of you is leo rautins on this forum?

[cruwinas]

Maybe you should find another team to root for

Maybe you should sell your keyboard?

[RaptorNews]

It's weird that people are using the same stats to claim JV is ineffective are the same ones that made Derozan look like an awful max contract last season

JV is a conservative player but he isn't dumb or lazy. He is an easy double double every game if he plays 30 minutes. That isn't an acccident

Last night after JV turned the ball over someone posted something like "JV TURNS THE BALL OVER SO MUCH". If you look at the stats he's not even in the top 30 in turnover rate amongst Cs.

People just have grudges

[Hero]

People keep talking about giving JV consistent touches... how many plays does the heat coaching staff drawup for Whiteside? Yet he goes out there and rebound and defend like a mad man. I love JV but I honestly see him going through the same thing he is now even if gets traded. I will rate DD's IQ and JV's almost the same though, only difference is Casey pushes one more than the other.

outlandish comment based on 0 facts. Whiteside leads the league in post-up attempts. He also averages 7 minutes more a game in PT -- JV has been yanked from games both when he struggles and plays well. Come on dude.

JV will flourish outside of the raptors and casey. for his sake I hope he gets moved.

Yeah just like Bargnani would flourish once he left the Raps. Riiight.

[Red_Claw]

Ok? I never said our comebacks didn't include some luck?

That quote is great.

[hsb]

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I like it when the non-public Synergy stats come out to support my observation and extrapolation of low possession scenarios.

Lol all this says is when JV does pass it ends well. This doesn't take in account all the times he doesn't pass out

Maybe I'm confused. Are they really talking about 25 total possessions over the season like it has an impact?

He averages 2 FGA on post-ups per game and that's an incredible 1/3 of his offense within the system. Whose talking about impact?

I'm trying to find a logical answer to how he's the worst passer in the league and cant pass out of doubles - when he scores decent from the few scoring opportunities he has (so why give up those few?), doesn't have a problem turning it over on post-ups and the team scores well in the times he passes it out when team defense commit to him. So, how can all of that be there? Wouldn't one thing lean the other way?

Heck, if he turned it over when doubled his PPP wouldn't be close to 1.4 in this scenario regardless of total possessions. One turnover would crash it actually.

So turnover % at 12? Making bad reads out of post-ups leaving his teammates in a disadvantage - reducing PPP from being that high? I'm trying to find logic here but no one seems to have any answers.

The % time is pretty decent relative to the top 10. So I don't see a problem there, he cant just get the ball in the post for more plays when Casey already stated they don't run plays for him and only 1-2 off the PNR as a roller. So that's out of the question. The ratios all work to suggest he's not that bad. I know that might be hard for you to hear but I just go off numbers and off the few plays he actually does get to post-up (mostly in the first quarter to start the game).

So where is the logical reason of the contrary? How can a horrible passer when he doesn't have a bad turnover percentage and the team scores on his pass outs when teams commit to him. Make sense of it dude, go ahead.

If you have any other problem with the cut off threshold ask Chris Forsberg. I'm sure he can come up with a logical reason.

[hsb]

Ease up? They showed it on the broadcast that we lead the league in comebacks at 17 last night. It might even be 18 now.

And all your stat about close games shows that we've had some abysmal luck it close games.

Forgot about Carroll, Cory is definitely improved here in TO though.

DD checked in at around 7 minutes something last night and went 5/15 from the field in the fourth and overtime. But yet, the Raptors came back from a huge deficit. That shouldn't happen in the NBA on average - you have to have both good defense and offense in that scenario but there it is a bit of...luck. You cant say bad luck for one thing and talk about a clear outlier in comebacks as if luck doesn't exist...

It just doesn't make sense to do so. There's a middle ground between the both of you.

Ok? I never said our comebacks didn't include some luck? But the original point was about Casey, he obviously is respected enough and has motivated the guys to never give up. 18 10+ point comebacks and much more telling than <5 point games where a single foul, shot, turnover completely changes everything. There is a lot more variance in those close games.

The Spurs are in the top 5 in comebacks from 10 point deficits but have a good record in games within 5 points as well. I'm just trying to see if there is something more to do it than just variance. It doesn't add up.

I don't see why comebacks are more telling about Casey this year when the other end of that stat, close games, is so far removed from every other playoff team not named Denver.

One is more telling than the other? You said that but the 8-14 record is just too low to smother variance and call it a day. Again, the difference is somewhere in the middle.

[RaptorsLife]

People keep talking about giving JV consistent touches... how many plays does the heat coaching staff drawup for Whiteside? Yet he goes out there and rebound and defend like a mad man. I love JV but I honestly see him going through the same thing he is now even if gets traded. I will rate DD's IQ and JV's almost the same though, only difference is Casey pushes one more than the other.

outlandish comment based on 0 facts. Whiteside leads the league in post-up attempts. He also averages 7 minutes more a game in PT -- JV has been yanked from games both when he struggles and plays well. Come on dude.

JV will flourish outside of the raptors and casey. for his sake I hope he gets moved.

Yeah just like Bargnani would flourish once he left the Raps. Riiight.

Ross is gonna be a all star after 2 games with the magic was a fun thread. Casey is making him shoot in 39% from the field and 29% from 3 in orlando

[Johnny Bball]

Lol all this says is when JV does pass it ends well. This doesn't take in account all the times he doesn't pass out

Maybe I'm confused. Are they really talking about 25 total possessions over the season like it has an impact?

He averages 2 FGA on post-ups per game and that's an incredible 1/3 of his offense within the system. Whose talking about impact?

I'm trying to find a logical answer to how he's the worst passer in the league and cant pass out of doubles - when he scores decent from the few scoring opportunities he has (so why give up those few?), doesn't have a problem turning it over on post-ups and the team scores well in the times he passes it out when team defense commit to him. So, how can all of that be there? Wouldn't one thing lean the other way?

Heck, if he turned it over when doubled his PPP wouldn't be close to 1.4 in this scenario regardless of total possessions. One turnover would crash it actually.

So turnover % at 12? Making bad reads out of post-ups leaving his teammates in a disadvantage - reducing PPP from being that high? I'm trying to find logic here but no one seems to have any answers.

The % time is pretty decent relative to the top 10. So I don't see a problem there, he cant just get the ball in the post for more plays when Casey already stated they don't run plays for him and only 1-2 off the PNR as a roller. So that's out of the question. The ratios all work to suggest he's not that bad. I know that might be hard for you to hear but I just go off numbers and off the few plays he actually does get to post-up (mostly in the first quarter to start the game).

So where is the logical reason of the contrary? How can a horrible passer when he doesn't have a bad turnover percentage and the team scores on his pass outs when teams commit to him. Make sense of it dude, go ahead.

If you have any other problem with the cut off threshold ask Chris Forsberg. I'm sure he can come up with a logical reason.

This is an extermely small sample size, and you aren't interpretting it properly in my opinion by comparing the way you did to the number of post ups to make it seem like a significant sample size. Bebe has the 2nd highest TS% aand efficiency at .693 on 67 attempts. Is that singificant so we should run the offense through him?

Or maybe we just give it to the guy 2nd in postup points per possession, if that's such a thing, just though a twitter post by the same guy was fun.

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JV he has no face to the basket game, no 3 point shot, rolls to the basket too slowly, can't reliably put the ball on the floor and drive and the entirety of his offense is back to the basket and offensive rebounds/tip ins. What plays do you want to run for him that are not an ISO? What plays are there to run for a slow big like JV? You want to run him around screens or something...? Why? The only way this offense is going to change is if JV can develop other parts of his game. And no, we are not changing just for JV just as a learning expereince so don't even say it. He needs to get faster, get smarter, practice and work hard as **** this summer. Or he's going to eventually get traded.

Back to the thread. You've kinda ignored the premise of the thread that our net rating and defensive rating is better with JV not on the floor. And changed it into ... I don't even know what you are trying to point out anymore, but your fan affair is too just too strong. I don't know why people can't see why he's sitting in 4th quarters. It's self evident at this point.

[RaptorNews]

The thing is even as he is a flawed player, comparing him to Bargnani is ridiculous

He's always been a great rebounder, efficient third or forth option, and was the third or forth best player on an ECF team last year (and the best performer in the playoffs until his injury of course). His defense is flawed and he regressed in the first half of the season. However last season he was featured in great defensive lineups and was overall middling as a defender at worst. He also seems to be playing decent defense next to Ibaka.

Val has been a big part of our franchises recent success and the way he is being portrayed as disposable trash would be mean spirited even if it wasn't obviously false and myopic

[RaptorsLife]

Seriously, are you Casey?!

I don't understand the question because obviously i don't.

Popovich's team can play high octane offence and incredible defence whenever they choose. He turns 15 overall picks into MVPs because he can distinguish their strengths and weakness. He turns no name players into valued ones because he puts their abilities in positions of success.

Casey can't do any of that. Even with his best players.

LMAO dudue just no.

Casey was the coach who was here when Lowry went from a "headcase" to a star
Casey was the coach who was here when Demar went from potential to all star to now star
Casey was the coach who was here when Powell broke out
Casey was the coach who was here when we have came back from 10+ points 17 times this season
Casey was the coach who has this team top 10 (or close to) in both offense and defense

Not to mention everyone on the roster right now outside maybe Ibaka/PJ have had their best seasons of their careers here in TO under Dwane Casey.

Lets ease up there.

Powell will break out if he can take this opportunity after the Ross trade and run with it. So far it's been a bumpy road.

The Raps also have - easily - the worst record of any playoff team when the game is 5 points or less at 8 wins and 14 losses. Well, maybe just outside of Denver. Some teams are 1 game below 0.500 but 6?! That's kind of abysmal for a team shooting for third spot in the conference, kind of amazing in a lucky way to comeback so many times to compensate on all those losses in this scenerio. Atlanta 16-9, Boston 15-5, Cleveland 10-5, Washington 17-8 etc for example - which are all around the same games played.

Carroll clearly had a better time with Coach Bud than Casey and you can make a solid argument that CoJo was a better player in his last year with the Spurs - due to the obvious bump in eFG%, more free throws drawn in much less minutes and better assist:turnover ratio. Outside of KL, everyone else is a Raptors homegrown talent where only DD is in his prime years now lol, so that is kind of an exaggeration even if you might not want to admit it.

There are all good and bad things in this, so no point in going too strong one way or the other, it's been a bumpy road after the hot start to say the least.

Carroll knees are shot from the playoffs injury in 2015. Him being bad has nothing to with Casey system or bud. He is getting open shots. He looks like a d leaguer when he drives the ball

[YogurtProducer]

DD checked in at around 7 minutes something last night and went 5/15 from the field in the fourth and overtime. But yet, the Raptors came back from a huge deficit. That shouldn't happen in the NBA on average - you have to have both good defense and offense in that scenario but there it is a bit of...luck. You cant say bad luck for one thing and talk about a clear outlier in comebacks as if luck doesn't exist...

It just doesn't make sense to do so. There's a middle ground between the both of you.

Ok? I never said our comebacks didn't include some luck? But the original point was about Casey, he obviously is respected enough and has motivated the guys to never give up. 18 10+ point comebacks and much more telling than <5 point games where a single foul, shot, turnover completely changes everything. There is a lot more variance in those close games.

The Spurs are in the top 5 in comebacks from 10 point deficits but have a good record in games within 5 points as well. I'm just trying to see if there is something more to do it than just variance. It doesn't add up.

I don't see why comebacks are more telling about Casey this year when the other end of that stat, close games, is so far removed from every other playoff team not named Denver.

One is more telling than the other? You said that but the 8-14 record is just too low to smother variance and call it a day. Again, the difference is somewhere in the middle.

Close games are 100% the victim of variance.

And I don't get why you are even bringing up this close game **** anyways. I have never said it is more telling or less telling or anything. I simply didn't say anything about it because it's not worth discussing. You could easily interpret that stat as we typically win by more than 5 and the only time we lose is in close games? Because that stat would look a lot better in our favour if we lost 10 of those games by 6 instead of 5. Suddenly were 8-4 in 5 point games or whatever it is. It's just a stupid stat honestly.

[hsb]

Maybe I'm confused. Are they really talking about 25 total possessions over the season like it has an impact?

He averages 2 FGA on post-ups per game and that's an incredible 1/3 of his offense within the system. Whose talking about impact?

I'm trying to find a logical answer to how he's the worst passer in the league and cant pass out of doubles - when he scores decent from the few scoring opportunities he has (so why give up those few?), doesn't have a problem turning it over on post-ups and the team scores well in the times he passes it out when team defense commit to him. So, how can all of that be there? Wouldn't one thing lean the other way?

Heck, if he turned it over when doubled his PPP wouldn't be close to 1.4 in this scenario regardless of total possessions. One turnover would crash it actually.

So turnover % at 12? Making bad reads out of post-ups leaving his teammates in a disadvantage - reducing PPP from being that high? I'm trying to find logic here but no one seems to have any answers.

The % time is pretty decent relative to the top 10. So I don't see a problem there, he cant just get the ball in the post for more plays when Casey already stated they don't run plays for him and only 1-2 off the PNR as a roller. So that's out of the question. The ratios all work to suggest he's not that bad. I know that might be hard for you to hear but I just go off numbers and off the few plays he actually does get to post-up (mostly in the first quarter to start the game).

So where is the logical reason of the contrary? How can a horrible passer when he doesn't have a bad turnover percentage and the team scores on his pass outs when teams commit to him. Make sense of it dude, go ahead.

If you have any other problem with the cut off threshold ask Chris Forsberg. I'm sure he can come up with a logical reason.

This is an extermely small sample size, and you aren't interpretting it properly in my opinion by comparing the way you did to the number of post ups to make it seem like a significant sample size. Bebe has the 2nd highest TS% aand efficiency at .693 on 67 attempts. Is that singificant so we should run the offense through him?

Or maybe we just give it to the guy 2nd in postup points per possession, if that's such a thing, just though a twitter post by the same guy was fun.

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JV he has no face to the basket game, no 3 point shot, rolls to the basket too slowly, can't reliably put the ball on the floor and drive and the entirety of his offense is back to the basket and offensive rebounds/tip ins. What plays do you want to run for him that are not an ISO? What plays are there to run for a slow big like JV? You want to run him around screens or something...? Why? The only way this offense is going to change is if JV can develop other parts of his game. And no, we are not changing just for JV just as a learning expereince so don't even say it. He needs to get faster, get smarter, practice and work hard as **** this summer. Or he's going to eventually get traded.

Back to the thread. You've kinda ignored the premise of the thread that our net rating and defensive rating is better with JV not on the floor. And changed it into ... I don't even know what you are trying to point out anymore, but your fan affair is too just too strong. I don't know why people can't see why he's sitting in 4th quarters. It's self evident at this point.

I replied to a poster who said something along the lines of being the worst passer ever and cant even pass out of double teams before. Okay? So you see why that stat would be even somewhat applicable?

You completely ignored everything about the incorrect logic in stating that - but you jumped in the convo without knowing what he was alluding too - with all the evidence that we can possibly have. Then you went off-topic in regards to that particular conversation and start talking about Bebe and then started venting about how terrible JV is and marginalized him to how you see fit. Dude, really? You're lost in this one.

My statement was simple, yet again, no answer and a bunch of garbage that goes beyond the scope of such an easy request.

And for everything else about different things JV 'cant' do; I don't really give a damn about how many touches JV gets anymore - if you actually read my other posts and saw the Casey interview I posted. The Raps are 1st in Ball handler freq in the PNR, 6th in isolation, 16th in off-screen freq, 17th in transition, 20th in spot-up shooting, 23rd in post-ups, 28th in roll man freq in the PNR, 28th in hand-offs, 30th in putbacks and 30th in cuts to the rim.

You think it's because of JV it's that rigid? DD and Powell are athletic as F, why are they below 0.3 possessions per game cutting to the rim? Only once in every three games? Really? And you're going through hoops figuring out why JV doesn't get more touches lol...

They run a LOT of PNR but don't want to pass to the roller, they have a lot of drives but don't want to hand it off, they are top 6 in PNR ball handler AND iso but their kick outs still yield 20th out of 30 teams in spot-up shooting and on top of that, they are frickin last in cuts to the rim.

So basically two things in the top 10 in frequency and everything else below average to down right bottom 3. So forget JV, I will just be glad to see them play solid offense in the playoffs despite a lack of variety in their play calling and a concerted effort to play one specific way regardless of the situation. It's going to be frustrating at times unless DD and KL are on top of their game but I still got to cheer.

Overall, sure, JV can be a low IQ player, he could be a high IQ player and he can also be an average IQ player. It doesn't matter, you think other fans wonder that about the sixth or so most important player on their team's IQ level is? Just be happy he's efficient and soaks up minutes so Ibaka doesn't have to play the five for the vast majority of the game. He can go 7/8, do his job on the boards, not turn the ball over and play some interior defense for a stretch - but it will never change his position on the hierarchy for even the next minute of game play - because they don't run much plays for him (literally from Casey's mouth) and only pass to him on the roll "1 or 2 times."

But sure, talk about the IQ level of JV. That's helpful. What's next, the discussion on the IQ of Noah Vonleh in Portland?

[hsb]

Ok? I never said our comebacks didn't include some luck? But the original point was about Casey, he obviously is respected enough and has motivated the guys to never give up. 18 10+ point comebacks and much more telling than <5 point games where a single foul, shot, turnover completely changes everything. There is a lot more variance in those close games.

The Spurs are in the top 5 in comebacks from 10 point deficits but have a good record in games within 5 points as well. I'm just trying to see if there is something more to do it than just variance. It doesn't add up.

I don't see why comebacks are more telling about Casey this year when the other end of that stat, close games, is so far removed from every other playoff team not named Denver.

One is more telling than the other? You said that but the 8-14 record is just too low to smother variance and call it a day. Again, the difference is somewhere in the middle.

Close games are 100% the victim of variance.

And I don't get why you are even bringing up this close game **** anyways. I have never said it is more telling or less telling or anything. I simply didn't say anything about it because it's not worth discussing. You could easily interpret that stat as we typically win by more than 5 and the only time we lose is in close games? Because that stat would look a lot better in our favour if we lost 10 of those games by 6 instead of 5. Suddenly were 8-4 in 5 point games or whatever it is. It's just a stupid stat honestly.

The value you put on the come from behind stat is subjective and has the same inherit value as one could put in losing in close games as well - especially when evaluating a coach by the type of wins and losses (which they both are - type of wins and losses) - which you pimped because it's a positive to your perspective. Heck, add your 6 and 7 points games and the value goes to 13-18 - which I can only assume is still terrible for a playoff team.

Why is the outcome so much less unfavorable in close games than basically every playoff team in the league? Is it all bad luck? Can we question how the team operates? Subs? Anything?

Of course you can. Just as much as you can harp on them being down double digits but scratching their way back. There is a middle ground obviously. That fact isn't special.

[YogurtProducer]

The Spurs are in the top 5 in comebacks from 10 point deficits but have a good record in games within 5 points as well. I'm just trying to see if there is something more to do it than just variance. It doesn't add up.

I don't see why comebacks are more telling about Casey this year when the other end of that stat, close games, is so far removed from every other playoff team not named Denver.

One is more telling than the other? You said that but the 8-14 record is just too low to smother variance and call it a day. Again, the difference is somewhere in the middle.

Close games are 100% the victim of variance.

And I don't get why you are even bringing up this close game **** anyways. I have never said it is more telling or less telling or anything. I simply didn't say anything about it because it's not worth discussing. You could easily interpret that stat as we typically win by more than 5 and the only time we lose is in close games? Because that stat would look a lot better in our favour if we lost 10 of those games by 6 instead of 5. Suddenly were 8-4 in 5 point games or whatever it is. It's just a stupid stat honestly.

The value you put on the come from behind stat is subjective and has the same inherit value as one could put in losing in close games as well - especially when evaluating a coach by the type of wins and losses (which they both are - type of wins and losses) - which you pimped because it's a positive to your perspective. Heck, add your 6 and 7 points games and the value goes to 13-18 - which I can only assume is still terrible for a playoff team.

Why is the outcome so much less unfavorable in close games than basically every playoff team in the league? Is it all bad luck? Can we question how the team operates? Subs? Anything?

Of course you can. Just as much as you can harp on them being down double digits but scratching their way back. There is a middle ground obviously. That fact isn't special.

Jesus man you are really looking way to hard into a single post I made and are for whatever reason waaay to locked in on a meaningless stat that literally tells you nothing. Not a damn thing. But whatever.

Sure we are 10-16 in 5 points games with 10 seconds left (presuming this is the stat you used), but then if you look at what we are in 5 point games in the last 30 seconds and we improve to 15-17. Move it up to the last minute and we are 17-18. What does this mean? well it means in close games we tend to push our wins out of the arbitrary "5 points" that for some reason is important to you. So we win by 6 or 7 before the time cut off instead of 5 and suddenly the wins don't show up in the clutch stats. A much better thing to look at would be Net Rating in these "clutch" moments.

So apparently if a game is within 5 points AT ANY TIME in the last 5 minutes which is apparently NBA.Coms definition of clutch, we have a 23-23 record (15th in NBA) in those games, 2nd most in the NBA after Washington at 48. But, strangely enough in terms of NRTG we have the 8th best NRTG In the Nba in "clutch" games, and the 3rd best defense. That right there tells me that the 23-23 record and the 10-16 record are completely bull. It is all variance. 100%. Last year we were 17-15 in those exact same games, but we had an almost identical roster and the same coach.. Explain that?

I know we did it against GSW, we were down allll **** game by double digits and we cut the deficit to like 3 and lost by 6. That game techincally meets the definition of a "clutch loss" but we were never supposed to be in that game. EVER. And those are the moments you are using against the team. Moments where 95% of the league would put their bench in and give up, we somehow come back and make it a game. We shouldn't look at this like it is a bad thing.

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And for everything else about different things JV 'cant' do; I don't really give a damn about how many touches JV gets anymore - if you actually read my other posts and saw the Casey interview I posted. The Raps are 1st in Ball handler freq in the PNR, 6th in isolation, 16th in off-screen freq, 17th in transition, 20th in spot-up shooting, 23rd in post-ups, 28th in roll man freq in the PNR, 28th in hand-offs, 30th in putbacks and 30th in cuts to the rim.

You think it's because of JV it's that rigid? DD and Powell are athletic as F, why are they below 0.3 possessions per game cutting to the rim? Only once in every three games? Really? And you're going through hoops figuring out why JV doesn't get more touches lol...

Its not going through hoops. I just watch. Yes. He rolls slow, moves slow and has a limited game. It is the rare play he moves with the ball handler and not way behind. come on... just watch him, that's all it takes to see where he is every time. He's at least hustled a little better lately.

They run a LOT of PNR but don't want to pass to the roller, they have a lot of drives but don't want to hand it off, they are top 6 in PNR ball handler AND iso but their kick outs still yield 20th out of 30 teams in spot-up shooting and on top of that, they are frickin last in cuts to the rim.

Cuts are not a play that involves the pick setter/roller. It's a player off the ball losing his man on a pick. JV is not quick enough to be doing this.

So basically two things in the top 10 in frequency and everything else below average to down right bottom 3. So forget JV, I will just be glad to see them play solid offense in the playoffs despite a lack of variety in their play calling and a concerted effort to play one specific way regardless of the situation. It's going to be frustrating at times unless DD and KL are on top of their game but I still got to cheer.

Correct. Because we run a dribble drive offense that is really efficient. We run a ton of pick and roll and it works. We are also the most efficent running Iso in the NBA. Which JV does often. Its taking advantage of strengths. As opposed to just mixing it up for the sake of doing it.

Overall, sure, JV can be a low IQ player, he could be a high IQ player and he can also be an average IQ player. It doesn't matter, you think other fans wonder that about the sixth or so most important player on their team's IQ level is? Just be happy he's efficient and soaks up minutes so Ibaka doesn't have to play the five for the vast majority of the game. He can go 7/8, do his job on the boards, not turn the ball over and play some interior defense for a stretch - but it will never change his position on the hierarchy for even the next minute of game play - because they don't run much plays for him (literally from Casey's mouth) and only pass to him on the roll "1 or 2 times."

But sure, talk about the IQ level of JV. That's helpful. What's next, the discussion on the IQ of Noah Vonleh in Portland?

JV is not a high IQ player. He does not have the recognition on defense to be called that amongst other things. He eats minutes. And we have Ibaka to play the 4th. I do have to say sorry, because I thought I was in Yogurts thread when I was talking about the OP last time. I lost track. My bad.

They don't run plays for JV because he has a limited offensive game. He's very good at what he does but he's not diverse and he's slow. I can ask, what action do you think they are going to run for him besides more back to the basket stuff (which is not a specific play that's run). The stuff they do run he is an option if he's moving quick enough and its a two man game. We could run the triangle and he would get more touches.

[RaptorsNorth]

Which one of you is leo rautins on this forum?

leo rides JV d... Like no other.

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Just wait until the JV passing clips come out in an attempt to show he's not a poor passer.

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I like it when the non-public Synergy stats come out to support my observation and extrapolation of low possession scenarios.

Wow that's very encouraging. I think the reason he looks bad is because there's hardly any off-ball movement by the team when he's in the post.

This. in these rare occasions when Jonas actually gets the ball in the post, the rest of the team just stands with their mouths open, waiting for Jonas to make something happen. There are no cuts, no one is trying to make themselves open. Who is he suppossed to pass to (and how) in these scenarios?
When you look at teams like Spurs in action, you see constant off-ball movement. Bigs often have an option to pass the ball to a cutting wing because the system creates such situations.
Also, Jonas mostly gets the ball in low post from where it is harder to make and assisst compared to high post. The touches he gets in high post often happens after a guard drives to the middle, draws in opposing defenders and passess back to open Jonas. At that point it makes more sense for Jonas to attempt a jumpshot himself rather than move the ball further. He simply isn't put in many situations where he can make an assist.

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I like it when the non-public Synergy stats come out to support my observation and extrapolation of low possession scenarios.

Wow that's very encouraging. I think the reason he looks bad is because there's hardly any off-ball movement by the team when he's in the post.

This. in these rare occasions when Jonas actually gets the ball in the post, the rest of the team just stands with their mouths open, waiting for Jonas to make something happen. There are no cuts, no one is trying to make themselves open. Who is he suppossed to pass to (and how) in these scenarios?
When you look at teams like Spurs in action, you see constant off-ball movement. Bigs often have an option to pass the ball to a cutting wing because the system creates such situations.
Also, Jonas mostly gets the ball in low post from where it is harder to make and assisst compared to high post. The touches he gets in high post often happens after a guard drives to the middle, draws in opposing defenders and passess back to open Jonas. At that point it makes more sense for Jonas to attempt a jumpshot himself rather than move the ball further. He simply isn't put in many situations where he can make an assist.

Not just JV, But all of our bigmen are Rarely put into a position to succeed

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I like it when the non-public Synergy stats come out to support my observation and extrapolation of low possession scenarios.

Wow that's very encouraging. I think the reason he looks bad is because there's hardly any off-ball movement by the team when he's in the post.

This. in these rare occasions when Jonas actually gets the ball in the post, the rest of the team just stands with their mouths open, waiting for Jonas to make something happen. There are no cuts, no one is trying to make themselves open. Who is he suppossed to pass to (and how) in these scenarios?
When you look at teams like Spurs in action, you see constant off-ball movement. Bigs often have an option to pass the ball to a cutting wing because the system creates such situations.
Also, Jonas mostly gets the ball in low post from where it is harder to make and assisst compared to high post. The touches he gets in high post often happens after a guard drives to the middle, draws in opposing defenders and passess back to open Jonas. At that point it makes more sense for Jonas to attempt a jumpshot himself rather than move the ball further. He simply isn't put in many situations where he can make an assist.

1) - WTF is "when defense commits"? How is he quantifying that? What is the defense committing to? Was there a mismatch and thus a double, if so, what action prior to the entry pass into the post caused the mismatch? This is purely a made up stat with very small sample size and missing just a tonne of context.

2) - JV gets slightly more post touches / minute than guys like ZBo, Vucevic, Jokic, Aldridge, Cousins, Brook Lopez and he's on par with guys like Favors, Kanter, Gobert, Okafor in the 1 post touch for every 5.5 mintues of pt.

3) - JV's assist to turnover ratio in the post is 1:3. That's right, 1 assist for every 3 turnovers.