Kemba Walker Thread

[celticfan42487]

Kemba vs Kyrie offensive package -- Less isos. More drives to the basket. Gets to the line more often. Less midrange.
TBD under Brad's system and w/ better teammates -- Overall efficiency. Assist rate. Offball game.

I think this is a bit of a stretch. To the point I don't think a single one of those is actually a factual statement.

Or the difference is immaterial. Irving's key play is a layup with English, Kemba's key play is a step back long 2.

Irving career stats: 22 ppg 6 aspg 3.6rpg 1 steal. 46.5%fg 39% 3 87.5%FT. 4.4 FTA per game
Kemba career stats: 20 ppg 5.5 aspg 3.8rpg 1 steal. 42%fg 35.5%3 83.5%FT. 4.7 FTA per game

On court Kemba is just a straight up worse player and always has been.

He's still an great signing, but let's not act like he's IT (which this team desperately needs a IT and someone getting 8FTApergame would open up all of our other players game) and will suddenly be the endless driving to the basket kick out of 3 player that will ignite our entire teams game in an MVP way.

Kemba is a lesser Irving on the court. But a much superior off-court leader, and an ironman.

I do t want career stats.

Last three years. Kemba is a different player now than when he came into the league.



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Not hard to look at. But hey here's Kemba's BY FAR best year. Last year. Vs Irving on a team that hated him and wasn't functioning at all and didn't have another all-star.

Kemba: 25.5 ppg 4.5rpg 6aspg 1steal 43% fg 35.5% 3 84.5% FT 5.5 FTA per game
Irving: 24 ppg 5 rpgg 7 aspg 1.5steals 49% fg 40% 3 87% FT 3.7 FTA per game

That was very close to Irving's worst season in FTA per game. (3.6 is his worst). And that was, like almost all of the offensive stats, Kemba's best season in his career.

In the end Irving just simply is better, from day 1 to day now on the court. But he's not half the leader or iron man Kemba is.

[cloverleaf]

Everyone's just gonna be so happy Kemba isn't Kyrie that he'll be a hero here from his first day.

[cloverleaf]

I think this is a bit of a stretch. To the point I don't think a single one of those is actually a factual statement.

Or the difference is immaterial. Irving's key play is a layup with English, Kemba's key play is a step back long 2.

Irving career stats: 22 ppg 6 aspg 3.6rpg 1 steal. 46.5%fg 39% 3 87.5%FT. 4.4 FTA per game
Kemba career stats: 20 ppg 5.5 aspg 3.8rpg 1 steal. 42%fg 35.5%3 83.5%FT. 4.7 FTA per game

On court Kemba is just a straight up worse player and always has been.

He's still an great signing, but let's not act like he's IT (which this team desperately needs a IT and someone getting 8FTApergame would open up all of our other players game) and will suddenly be the endless driving to the basket kick out of 3 player that will ignite our entire teams game in an MVP way.

Kemba is a lesser Irving on the court. But a much superior off-court leader, and an ironman.

I do t want career stats.

Last three years. Kemba is a different player now than when he came into the league.



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Not hard to look at. But hey here's Kemba's BY FAR best year. Last year. Vs Irving on a team that hated him and wasn't functioning at all and didn't have another all-star.

Kemba: 25.5 ppg 4.5rpg 6aspg 1steal 43% fg 35.5% 3 84.5% FT 5.5 FTA per game
Irving: 24 ppg 5 rpgg 7 aspg 1.5steals 49% fg 40% 3 87% FT 3.7 FTA per game

That was very close to Irving's worst season in FTA per game. (3.6 is his worst). And that was, like almost all of the offensive stats, Kemba's best season in his career.

In the end Irving just simply is better, from day 1 to day now on the court. But he's not half the leader or iron man Kemba is.

Kyrie grew up in a professional basketball family and was hatched into the NBA as a fully formed player. Kemba grew up in the projects and grew into his potential over his first four years in the league. That said, it could be argued that Kemba developed into more of a player in Charlotte than Kyrie did in Cleveland. E.g., he had a VORP three years ago of 3.9 to Kyrie's 2.9. Stevens worked his magic in making Kyrie less of a defensive liability, especially, and Kyrie statistically outperformed Kemba again after the move to Boston--though by all accounts Kemba did more for his teammates' performance and was the far better leader in Charlotte than Kyrie was in either Cleveland or Boston.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Kyrie slip back down to mere star level now that he's left Stevens and Boston, while Kemba swaps with him and gets credit as a superstar for his upcoming time with the C's.

[celticfan42487]

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Kyrie grew up in a professional basketball family and was hatched into the NBA as a fully formed player. Kemba grew up in the projects and grew into his potential over his first four years in the league. That said, it could be argued that Kemba developed into more of a player in Charlotte than Kyrie did in Cleveland. E.g., he had a VORP three years ago of 3.9 to Kyrie's 2.9. Stevens worked his magic in making Kyrie less of a defensive liability, especially, and Kyrie statistically outperformed Kemba again after the move to Boston--though by all accounts Kemba did more for his teammates' performance and was the far better leader in Charlotte than Kyrie was in either Cleveland or Boston.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Kyrie slip back down to mere star level now that he's left Stevens and Boston, while Kemba swaps with him and gets credit as a superstar for his upcoming time with the C's.

Honestly I don't give a flying *** about the players or their backgrounds. Only what they can do for the franchise. They are commodities in the long and glorious history of the Celtics and nothing more.

And with that said, at the very least no matter what (pending injury) I'll be happy just not having a piece of *** on the team like Irving. The Celtics will be fun next year as a nice second tier kina playoff team in the mold of the Pacers.

I think Kemba is Irving light on the court, but worlds better as a leader and an ironman. I'd put Kemba as the better ***et for a non contending team, but Irving as a better ***et if you can magically find a leader to put him in his place (LeBron) or where he has 0 power.

I'm 100% enjoying how the off seaoson is working out. So far it looks liek Butler is leaving for MIA to be a non factor. Irving with no one else on the Nets is a non factor and I look forward to kicking his ***.

The only thing that could make it more beautiful is if Kawhi left and went to the Clippers for no reason, maybe take KD with him.. Maybe Have DLo tell the Lakers to *** off too.

[threrf23]

I think this is a bit of a stretch. To the point I don't think a single one of those is actually a factual statement.

Or the difference is immaterial. Irving's key play is a layup with English, Kemba's key play is a step back long 2.

Irving career stats: 22 ppg 6 aspg 3.6rpg 1 steal. 46.5%fg 39% 3 87.5%FT. 4.4 FTA per game
Kemba career stats: 20 ppg 5.5 aspg 3.8rpg 1 steal. 42%fg 35.5%3 83.5%FT. 4.7 FTA per game

On court Kemba is just a straight up worse player and always has been.

He's still an great signing, but let's not act like he's IT (which this team desperately needs a IT and someone getting 8FTApergame would open up all of our other players game) and will suddenly be the endless driving to the basket kick out of 3 player that will ignite our entire teams game in an MVP way.

Kemba is a lesser Irving on the court. But a much superior off-court leader, and an ironman.

I do t want career stats.

Last three years. Kemba is a different player now than when he came into the league.



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Not hard to look at. But hey here's Kemba's BY FAR best year. Last year. Vs Irving on a team that hated him and wasn't functioning at all and didn't have another all-star.

Kemba: 25.5 ppg 4.5rpg 6aspg 1steal 43% fg 35.5% 3 84.5% FT 5.5 FTA per game
Irving: 24 ppg 5 rpgg 7 aspg 1.5steals 49% fg 40% 3 87% FT 3.7 FTA per game

That was very close to Irving's worst season in FTA per game. (3.6 is his worst). And that was, like almost all of the offensive stats, Kemba's best season in his career.

In the end Irving just simply is better, from day 1 to day now on the court. But he's not half the leader or iron man Kemba is.

For whatever it is worth, here's a base comparison between IT, Kemba and Kyrie going back to '15-16. This is based on my own stats, which are based on composite scores and contextual adjustments (i.e. they try to account for context by statistically judging a player's teammates, and a player's relation to his teammates).

Note for context that, by my stats, IT peaked his final season with the Kings, and declined slightly with the C's (his adjusted scoring stats improved slightly but overall offensive stats declined slightly). By my calcs, last year was actually Kemba's worst year in years.

'15-16

IT

Displayed Scoring Ability: 5th
Displayed Passing Ability: 12th
Adjusted A/TO Ratio: 7th
Displayed Offensive Ability: 14th
Measured Intangibles: 89th
Overall Offensive Rank: 11th
Overall Defensive Rank: 146th
Displayed PG ability: 12th
Overall Rank: 13th

Kyrie

Displayed Scoring Ability: 37th
Displayed Passing Ability: 54th
Adjusted A/TO Ratio: 41st
Displayed Offensive Ability: 49th
Measured Intangibles: 216th
Overall Offensive Rank: 58th
Overall Defensive Rank: 232nd
Displayed PG ability: 29th
Overall Rank: 48th

Kemba

Displayed Scoring Ability: 18th
Displayed Passing Ability: 27th
Adjusted A/TO Ratio: 15th
Displayed Offensive Ability: 15th
Measured Intangibles: 94th
Overall Offensive Rank: 16th
Overall Defensive Rank: 27th
Displayed PG ability: 18th
Overall Rank: 11th

'16-17

IT

Displayed Scoring Ability: 1st
Displayed Passing Ability: 26th
Adjusted A/TO Ratio: 23rd
Displayed Offensive Ability: 25th
Measured Intangibles: 115th
Overall Offensive Rank: 10th
Overall Defensive Rank: 317th
Displayed PG ability: 12th
Overall Rank: 18th

Kyrie

Displayed Scoring Ability: 16th
Displayed Passing Ability: 33rd
Adjusted A/TO Ratio: 20th
Displayed Offensive Ability: 28th
Measured Intangibles: 192nd
Overall Offensive Rank: 20th
Overall Defensive Rank: 254th
Displayed PG ability: 17th
Overall Rank: 22nd

Kemba

Displayed Scoring Ability: 21st
Displayed Passing Ability: 25th
Adjusted A/TO Ratio: 15th
Displayed Offensive Ability: 22nd
Measured Intangibles: 69th
Overall Offensive Rank: 17th
Overall Defensive Rank: 117th
Displayed PG ability: 13th
Overall Rank: 17th

'17-18

IT

basically n/a

Kyrie

Displayed Scoring Ability: 3rd
Displayed Passing Ability: 38th
Adjusted A/TO Ratio: 25th
Displayed Offensive Ability: 12th
Measured Intangibles: 72nd
Overall Offensive Rank: 5th
Overall Defensive Rank: 88th
Displayed PG ability: 14th
Overall Rank: 8th

Kemba

Displayed Scoring Ability: 7th
Displayed Passing Ability: 16th
Adjusted A/TO Ratio: 14th
Displayed Offensive Ability: 20th
Measured Intangibles: 54th
Overall Offensive Rank: 14th
Overall Defensive Rank: 73rd
Displayed PG ability: 7th
Overall Rank: 12th

'18-19

IT

basically n/a

Kyrie

Displayed Scoring Ability: 12th
Displayed Passing Ability: 18th
Adjusted A/TO Ratio: 11th
Displayed Offensive Ability: 13th
Measured Intangibles: 113th
Overall Offensive Rank: 7th
Overall Defensive Rank: 80th
Displayed PG ability: 3rd
Overall Rank: 8th

Kemba

Displayed Scoring Ability: 13th
Displayed Passing Ability: 19th
Adjusted A/TO Ratio: 19th
Displayed Offensive Ability: 16th
Measured Intangibles: 250th
Overall Offensive Rank: 25th
Overall Defensive Rank: 241st
Displayed PG ability: 10th
Overall Rank: 22nd

[Taget]

For what is realistically available to us (Kawhi isn't coming) the best we can get.

But only one piece in the puzzle if we are going to contend. Hopefully the young guys can take the next step but never a guarantee. And who knows with Hayward. Maybe like Paul George he returns to all-star form. Or maybe what we see is what we get. But for Kemba to be worth it we need another star. And that star has to be better than him.

And the move to get that person may not be available to us at the start of the season. But I have no doubt that some star somewhere will become dissatisfied and an opening will be available to us. Happens every season and no reason to say next season will be different. Whether it is the right star or the price is right remains to be seen.

For the time being try to get some bigs. And realize the point guard roller coaster may not end. He's 29 and if it turns out he's not on our time table might be another team who may offer us give value for an all-star point guard.

[sam_I_am]

Kemba vs. IT vs. Kyrie vs. Lillard..... we can nitpick about who is better at their best. Was Pierce really better than Kobe or Lebron in 2008? Did it matter if Pierce was “the best” wing? No. It mattered that he was really good, produced and clicked with the rest of roster.

As long as you have one of the elites, you can check off that box. We still have a great scoring PG. one of the bests. It didn’t matter for our team that Kyrie’s stats were best last year because the rest of team imploded around him. They were demonstrably better with Terry Rozier whose stats sucked.....and I think they will be even better than they were with Rozier... with Kemba. Time will tell of course.

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[KembaWalker]

anyone have the TerryRozier account to trade

[La Flame]

anyone have the TerryRozier account to trade

Rozier as a full-time starter might play pretty well for you guys tbh, good luck to y'all

[KembaWalker]

anyone have the TerryRozier account to trade

Rozier as a full-time starter might play pretty well for you guys tbh, good luck to y'all

the dream of being paid almost 20 mil a year to be a 3 year tank commander
amazing

[La Flame]

anyone have the TerryRozier account to trade

Rozier as a full-time starter might play pretty well for you guys tbh, good luck to y'all

the dream of being paid almost 20 mil a year to be a 3 year tank commander
amazing

Yeah bro, the contract sucks. But don't be surprised if it's not looking so bad after a year. He can play up to it imo and you can maybe flip him for some assets. Idk what your direction is, sucks to see loyal fans suffer from horrible management for years

[return2glory]

Welcome to Boston Kemba!!!

[return2glory]

New start! Kemba will be loved here.

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[ITYSL]

Predict Kemba's line next year:

28 ppg, 5 rpg, 7 apg, 45% FG, 39% 3P, 54% EFG, 59% TS

[BRUNiNHO91]

Predict Kemba's line next year:

28 ppg, 5 rpg, 7 apg, 45% FG, 39% 3P, 54% EFG, 59% TS

Career high in assists certainly. This dude has never had anybody better than Big Al on his team..maybe Batum.

[sam_I_am]

Predict Kemba's line next year:

28 ppg, 5 rpg, 7 apg, 45% FG, 39% 3P, 54% EFG, 59% TS

Career high in assists certainly. This dude has never had anybody better than Big Al on his team..maybe Batum.

He still doesn’t.

[itrsteve]

First off, please please stop the player comparisons of Kemba to Kyrie.

Through Kyrie, everybody learned and grew... Through MJ's lowball, Kemba doesn't have any second guesses on his decision.

Without Kyrie, we couldn't appreciate Kemba as much as we would have if traded for previously.

Beyond elated for Kemba to get his opportunity to finally shine. The NBA world is in for a huge surprise, as are we.