Coronavirus/COVID-19

[The Corey's]

At what point do you hold china accountable for something that's apparently gonna spread across the glob and kill countless people?

Their communist rule kept this thing from being something we should of been focusing on since December.

Not to say that China responded to this in an exemplary way, but we're **** up our response too even though we had a couple months of lead time to prepare, so it's not like China was unique in that regard. The punishment and accountability is that now we all live in a world where a bunch of people will get sick and die.

The punishment doesnt have to come from us. With our leaders, I expect such embarrassment.

But Donald Trump appointing mr worst HIV outbreak in Indiana history pence leader on this isnt made any less embarrassing just because china didnt handle it well either.

I for one think this is mass hysteria and the news is selling stories for profit here but if im wrong and many people will die because of this particular virus, letting china walk unscathed sounds like an unreasonable response to me.

You couldnt even convince me that china didn't do it on purpose. I dont trust them.

[The Corey's]

Trump punish them for way less.

You cant have a rapid virus outbreak and literally kill your own citizens to contain such humiliation an expect to get away with it.

Is this intentionally ironic or is this not exactly what the United States is doing right now? The executive branch is saying it's no big deal, just a flu, no one dies from the flu. Just pray it away, etc. Oil is down, good for consumers!

See my above post.

Screw china. They are not your friend.

[Bleeding Green]

Trump punish them for way less.

You cant have a rapid virus outbreak and literally kill your own citizens to contain such humiliation an expect to get away with it.

Is this intentionally ironic or is this not exactly what the United States is doing right now? The executive branch is saying it's no big deal, just a flu, no one dies from the flu. Just pray it away, etc. Oil is down, good for consumers!

See my above post.

Screw china. They are not your friend.

The President of the United States literally put an evangelical christian who is offended by science as the czar in charge and is saying that no one dies from the flu. Thus, when he's re-elected in six months, we can disprove your statement that you "can't have a rapid virus outbreak and literally kill your own citizens...and get away with it.'

[Parliament10]

Call me a daredevil but I'll risk it for 100k.

Can you stop saying that in this Thread.
This is far too serious to be so cavalier.

~ Parl

All due respect. I have a right to express an opinion that maybe 90 percent of you might not agree with. Otherwise, the thread becomes a sounding board of people who just agree with each other and then it becomes a feeding frenzy of who can make themselves the most paranoid. I never said I'd get sick and go to a sporting event or anything crazy. All I said is give me 100k and I'll take my chances. I'd obviously stay in the house lol. If you're sick then please stay home and don't spread it. But if you aren't then what's the point of sitting around waiting to get the virus?

This statement is too idiotic, and too dangerous.
You can take your chances being Banned for 12 hours.

~ Parl

[watsonthedragon]

Call me a daredevil but I'll risk it for 100k.

Can you stop saying that in this Thread.
This is far too serious to be so cavalier.

~ Parl

All due respect. I have a right to express an opinion that maybe 90 percent of you might not agree with. Otherwise, the thread becomes a sounding board of people who just agree with each other and then it becomes a feeding frenzy of who can make themselves the most paranoid. I never said I'd get sick and go to a sporting event or anything crazy. All I said is give me 100k and I'll take my chances. I'd obviously stay in the house lol. If you're sick then please stay home and don't spread it. But if you aren't then what's the point of sitting around waiting to get the virus?

Because of exactly what he said...

And if you're healthy you may be asymptomatic and spread it around to dozens of people with compromised immune systems

Can you critically think at all? This time it is condescension. Grow up.

[The Corey's]

Is this intentionally ironic or is this not exactly what the United States is doing right now? The executive branch is saying it's no big deal, just a flu, no one dies from the flu. Just pray it away, etc. Oil is down, good for consumers!

See my above post.

Screw china. They are not your friend.

The President of the United States literally put an evangelical christian who is offended by science as the czar in charge and is saying that no one dies from the flu. Thus, when he's re-elected in six months, we can disprove your statement that you "can't have a rapid virus outbreak and literally kill your own citizens...and get away with it.'

I agree as stated in my above post.

Two wrongs dont make a right and best believe if this virus started here in America that trump would take unprecedented heat.

Screw trump. The fact that we had the notice we did and they did nothing speaks to their incompetence if anything and them now holding all corona news in top secret meetings really should scare the public.

But I wont vote for the dinosaurs the Democrats have decided are worthy of such a prestigious job.

I don't wanna get into the politics of it other than to stayed what I already did. Someone needs to be held accountable because even if the virus isnt the deadly contagion the news wants us to believe, the hysteria its caused has already made massive ripple effects on the economy

[Slax]

At what point do you hold china accountable for something that's apparently gonna spread across the glob and kill countless people?

Their communist rule kept this thing from being something we should of been focusing on since December.

Not to say that China responded to this in an exemplary way, but we're **** up our response too even though we had a couple months of lead time to prepare, so it's not like China was unique in that regard. The punishment and accountability is that now we all live in a world where a bunch of people will get sick and die.

The punishment doesnt have to come from us. With our leaders, I expect such embarrassment.

But Donald Trump appointing mr worst HIV outbreak in Indiana history pence leader on this isnt made any less embarrassing just because china didnt handle it well either.

I for one think this is mass hysteria and the news is selling stories for profit here but if im wrong and many people will die because of this particular virus, letting china walk unscathed sounds like an unreasonable response to me.

You couldnt even convince me that china didn't do it on purpose. I dont trust them.

China has so far suffered more than any other country. If releasing a horrific deadly virus on the world had been on purpose (and to be sure, it wasn't), it would have been incredibly self-destructive.

[Slax]

I'm not a doctor so maybe I'm missing something but IMO It's a flu that is hyped by fear. This is pretty ridiculous. I'm not canceling any of my travel plans and neither should anyone else. Also if anyone is pointing to the St Patricks Day parade as an indication of the severity of this then that is insane. Marty Walsh has probably wanted to get rid of that yearly headache for a couple of years. This is a good excuse to do so. Look, just wash your hands and stop buying an abundance of toilet paper and water. Everyone that doesn't have a shot immune system will be fine.

That being said if someone is willing to pay me 100k to contract the virus I'm all in.

Yeah it's just a flu that is more contagious and 100-200x as likely to kill you. And if you're healthy you may be asymptomatic and spread it around to dozens of people with compromised immune systems, who then die. No big deal.

Call me a daredevil but I'll risk it for 100k.

Nobody wants you to catch COVID-19 for free, much less pay you $100k for it. We want fewer people to be infected, not more.

[The Corey's]

Not to say that China responded to this in an exemplary way, but we're **** up our response too even though we had a couple months of lead time to prepare, so it's not like China was unique in that regard. The punishment and accountability is that now we all live in a world where a bunch of people will get sick and die.

The punishment doesnt have to come from us. With our leaders, I expect such embarrassment.

But Donald Trump appointing mr worst HIV outbreak in Indiana history pence leader on this isnt made any less embarrassing just because china didnt handle it well either.

I for one think this is mass hysteria and the news is selling stories for profit here but if im wrong and many people will die because of this particular virus, letting china walk unscathed sounds like an unreasonable response to me.

You couldnt even convince me that china didn't do it on purpose. I dont trust them.

China has so far suffered more than any other country. If releasing a horrific deadly virus on the world had been on purpose (and to be sure, it wasn't), it would have been incredibly self-destructive.

Well obviously I agree, I just meant that it's not something I personally would rule out.

After all this is a country that limited its citizens to how many kids they could have, killed the doctor who whistle blew on the whole thing and has an overall track record of human atrocity that can rival most countries.

China is dealing with this worse than anyone because their government rather control narrative than contain or help those in need.

And now washington state is paying a heavy price for their incompetence.

It really does feel like a movie.

[Parliament10]

General, friendly pre-warning: Let's lay off the China bashing / stereotyping / wild speculating.
Don't want to hand out warnings or lock this thread, but if things head down that road, it'll happen.

Agreed.
We should leave country blaming, and politics, out of this Thread.
This could have started anywhere.

Let's Otherwise Stay On-Topic, Everybody.

~ Parl

[Captain_Caveman]

Yeah it's just a flu that is more contagious and 100-200x as likely to kill you. And if you're healthy you may be asymptomatic and spread it around to dozens of people with compromised immune systems, who then die. No big deal.

Read on Twitter

Apply this estimate to the mortality rate of your choice. 70 million people with a 0.5% mortality rate is 350,000 deaths in the US alone, and those might be on the lower end of estimates.

The people not taking this seriously are genuinely out of their minds. At the high end projection, 150 million people contracting it at the current mortality rate of 3.7 pct is completely devastating. 5.5 million people in the US. Now I'm sure this mortality rate will plummet once we have a longer timeframe to look at with people recovering, and just more data in general, but it's still going to be an order of magnitude or two higher than a standard seasonal flu.

Yeah, there's a lot of potential variance going both ways with the mortality rate, but 0.5-1% seems like a safe estimate.

[Froob]

Read on Twitter

NBA and NHL will follow suit no doubt. NCAA is easiest the worst organization of the three.

[Slax]

Read on Twitter

Apply this estimate to the mortality rate of your choice. 70 million people with a 0.5% mortality rate is 350,000 deaths in the US alone, and those might be on the lower end of estimates.

The people not taking this seriously are genuinely out of their minds. At the high end projection, 150 million people contracting it at the current mortality rate of 3.7 pct is completely devastating. 5.5 million people in the US. Now I'm sure this mortality rate will plummet once we have a longer timeframe to look at with people recovering, and just more data in general, but it's still going to be an order of magnitude or two higher than a standard seasonal flu.

Yeah, there's a lot of potential variance going both ways with the mortality rate, but 0.5-1% seems like a safe estimate.

Caveat: appears to be something like 0.5-1% in developed countries' health care systems at a point where they are not yet overwhelmed with more patients than they can treat.

[Bleeding Green]

The people not taking this seriously are genuinely out of their minds. At the high end projection, 150 million people contracting it at the current mortality rate of 3.7 pct is completely devastating. 5.5 million people in the US. Now I'm sure this mortality rate will plummet once we have a longer timeframe to look at with people recovering, and just more data in general, but it's still going to be an order of magnitude or two higher than a standard seasonal flu.

Yeah, there's a lot of potential variance going both ways with the mortality rate, but 0.5-1% seems like a safe estimate.

Caveat: appears to be something like 0.5-1% in developed countries' health care systems at a point where they are not yet overwhelmed with more patients than they can treat.

How does that apply to the united states, though?

Italy has a nationalized healthcare system and they are pushing 6.6% death rate right now (827 dead of 12462 confirmed cases). The number should almost assuredly drop as they have more data on recovered cases, though.

[The Corey's]

Read on Twitter

NBA and NHL will follow suit no doubt. NCAA is easiest the worst organization of the three.

I am finding it hard to understand how this cures the issue.

Obviously it limits those potentially exposed to the virus but what difference does it make it you gonna game where 1 person might have it while that same one person is shopping at your local Walmart?

I guess the speed.in which it would spread

[Froob]

Read on Twitter

NBA and NHL will follow suit no doubt. NCAA is easiest the worst organization of the three.

I am finding it hard to understand how this cures the issue.

Obviously it limits those potentially exposed to the virus but what difference does it make it you gonna game where 1 person might have it while that same one person is shopping at your local Walmart?

I guess the speed.in which it would spread

People traveling and all coming together

[Bleeding Green]

Read on Twitter

NBA and NHL will follow suit no doubt. NCAA is easiest the worst organization of the three.

I am finding it hard to understand how this cures the issue.

Obviously it limits those potentially exposed to the virus but what difference does it make it you gonna game where 1 person might have it while that same one person is shopping at your local Walmart?

I guess the speed.in which it would spread

It's just the first step before entire seasons are canceled. But it's also 25k+ humans all in one arena with recycled air, all crammed together at chokepoints coming into and out of the arena, traveling on public transportation to and from the game, etc. Imagine the bodily fluids you come in contact with at arena bathrooms. The people using those insane dyson airblades to dry their hands that aerosolize everything (these are the nastiest things in existence), brutal stuff.

[Captain_Caveman]

Crazy times certainly. I work in a NH HS and would not like to be the one who has to make the decision to go all online. I don't think it will happen, but things I am reading is saying it's better to do it before rather than wait until it happens.

The countries who went draconian with measures to enforce social distancing have had good success. I see this is less a matter of political ideology than overall attitudes. America is a country of freedoms. We have a lot of people and are mostly urban, and are affluent and travel a lot and like to do things in large crowds. It is much easier for a place like Singapore to just impose their will on the populace.

[Captain_Caveman]

The people not taking this seriously are genuinely out of their minds. At the high end projection, 150 million people contracting it at the current mortality rate of 3.7 pct is completely devastating. 5.5 million people in the US. Now I'm sure this mortality rate will plummet once we have a longer timeframe to look at with people recovering, and just more data in general, but it's still going to be an order of magnitude or two higher than a standard seasonal flu.

Yeah, there's a lot of potential variance going both ways with the mortality rate, but 0.5-1% seems like a safe estimate.

Caveat: appears to be something like 0.5-1% in developed countries' health care systems at a point where they are not yet overwhelmed with more patients than they can treat.

According to the tweet I just linked, the actual exposure rate would be between 20-45% of Americans. The 0.5-1% is just the figure for those that would die from it.

Saw another graphic today that illustrated it well. Not really going to limit the overall exposure, but though mitigation, we can slow it slow and "flatten" the bell curve in order to prevent health care systems from being overwhelmed.

[Captain_Caveman]

Yeah, there's a lot of potential variance going both ways with the mortality rate, but 0.5-1% seems like a safe estimate.

Caveat: appears to be something like 0.5-1% in developed countries' health care systems at a point where they are not yet overwhelmed with more patients than they can treat.

How does that apply to the united states, though?

Italy has a nationalized healthcare system and they are pushing 6.6% death rate right now (827 dead of 12462 confirmed cases). The number should almost assuredly drop as they have more data on recovered cases, though.

Flipside is that the numbers may be skewed low due to the numbers of people who have been diagnosed but who are not yet recovered and still might die. Also, while there are probably many undocumented cases of those who have had "mild" coronavirus and lived, thus skewing the numbers high, the same is true for regular flus.