What has Jordan achieved without Pippen?

[The4thHorseman]

Since nobody is answering the TS I will chime in with my response. Nothing. MJ did nothing in the 5 years without Scottie. And to be crystal clear, Scottie actually has won more playoff games with MJ than MJ has without Scottie. Scottie also has won more playoff series in his career than MJ has.

If Lebron wins a chip this year it will be his first championship without a big three. So I think Jordan is allowed Pippen who is no AD.

And to answer your question he AVERAGED 45 points his sophmore year in the celtics playoff series without Pippen including 60+ point game on .500+ shooting. This thread is funny to me.

So a player who avg. 8 and 7 while shooting 36% (and below avg. defensively) in a 7gm Finals series would be considered a part of the Big 3?

Horace Grant averaged better numbers than that in the Bulls first 3 titles. From here on out, should those Bulls teams be refereed to as the Big 3?

[Coco Costanza]

Why are there so many threads these days trying to discredit Jordan?

Look at it this way.

LeBron doesn't win a championship without

Dwane Wade
Chris Bosh
Ray Allen
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Anthony Davis (assuming the Lakers win)


Jordan doesn't win a championship without

Pippen

[Magic Is Magic]

Since nobody is answering the TS I will chime in with my response. Nothing. MJ did nothing in the 5 years without Scottie. And to be crystal clear, Scottie actually has won more playoff games with MJ than MJ has without Scottie. Scottie also has won more playoff series in his career than MJ has.

If Lebron wins a chip this year it will be his first championship without a big three. So I think Jordan is allowed Pippen who is no AD.

And to answer your question he AVERAGED 45 points his sophmore year in the celtics playoff series without Pippen including 60+ point game on .500+ shooting. This thread is funny to me.

Pippen, Grant wasn't a big 3?
Pippen, Rodman wasn't a big 3?

Kindly tell me who had a better #2 & #3 option than MJ? MJ already had the deck stacked to the max.

[Magic Is Magic]

Why are there so many threads these days trying to discredit Jordan?

Look at it this way.

LeBron doesn't win a championship without

Dwane Wade
Chris Bosh
Ray Allen
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Anthony Davis (assuming the Lakers win)


Jordan doesn't win a championship without

Pippen

Needing to take 6 guys away to discredit LeBron? You're proving the point, no?

To erase LBJ's legacy you would need to take away MANY players from LBJ because he could win with many guys in many scenarios. But with MJ, you only need to take away one guy and he is nothing. You just had to list 6 guys to discredit LBJ, with MJ we only need to list 1. Do you get it now?

Take away 1 player from both (not 1 and then 6 for the other, how does that even make sense).

LBJ w/o Wade = 1 ring (soon to be 2)
MJ w/o Pippem = zero rings. Zero playoff series wins as well

MJ's legacy is 100% tied to Pippen so pay that man some respect. MJ heavily relied on Pippen whereas LBJ could still win without Wade.

[OdomFan]

Why are there so many threads these days trying to discredit Jordan?

Look at it this way.

LeBron doesn't win a championship without

Dwane Wade
Chris Bosh
Ray Allen
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Anthony Davis (assuming the Lakers win)


Jordan doesn't win a championship without

Pippen

You're proving the point, no?

To erase LBJ's legacy you would need to take away MANY players from LBJ because he could win with many #2 guys in many scenarios. with MJ, you only need to take away one guy and he is nothing. You just had to list 10 guys to discredit LBJ, with MJ we only need to list 1. Do you get it now?

Take away 1 player from both (not 1 and then 10 for the other).

LBJ w/o Wade = 1 (soon to be 2) rings
MJ w/o Pippem = zero rings. Zero playoff series wins

MJ's legacy is 100% tied to Pippen so pay that man some respect. MJ heavily relied on Pippen whereas LBJ could still win without Wade.

Yeah because Lebron was the one that made the decision to jump over to the next team as soon as things were starting to not go his way. The fact that you're trying to punish Jordan for not leaving the Bulls says alot.

Btw Jordan proved otherwise in those many times that Pippen was hurt in the playoffs that he could still lead the Bulls to success. Look at 1998.

[twyzted]

Since nobody is answering the TS I will chime in with my response. Nothing. MJ did nothing in the 5 years without Scottie. And to be crystal clear, Scottie actually has won more playoff games with MJ than MJ has without Scottie. Scottie also has won more playoff series in his career than MJ has.

If Lebron wins a chip this year it will be his first championship without a big three. So I think Jordan is allowed Pippen who is no AD.

And to answer your question he AVERAGED 45 points his sophmore year in the celtics playoff series without Pippen including 60+ point game on .500+ shooting. This thread is funny to me.

Pippen, Grant wasn't a big 3?
Pippen, Rodman wasn't a big 3?

Kindly tell me who had a better #2 & #3 option than MJ? MJ already had the deck stacked to the max.

Really

90/91
Magic 21 ppg 8 rpg 13 apg
Worthy 21 ppg 4 rpg 4 apg
Perkins 18 ppg 8 rpg
Scott 13 ppg
Divac 13 ppg 7 rpg
Vs
Pippen 21 ppg 9 rpg 7 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
Grant 15 ppg 8 rpg 2 apg 2 spg 1bpg
Paxson 13 ppg 2 rpg 3 apg 1 spg 0 bpg

91/92
Drexler 26 ppg 7 rpg 7 apg
Porter 21 ppg 5 rpg 7 apg
Kersey 16 ppg 8 rpg 4 apg
Duckworth 12 ppg 6 rpg
Ainge, cliff robinson, buck williams 10 ppg
Vs
Pippen 20 ppg 8 apg 8 rpg 2 spg 1 bpg
Grant 9 ppg 8 rpg 4 apg 1 spg 2 bpg
Paxson 10 ppg 1 rpg 3 apg 1 spg

92/93
Barkley 27 ppg 14 rpg 4 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
Kevin johnson 18 ppg 3 rpg 8 apg
Majerle 15 ppg 6 rpg 4 apg 1 spg 1 bpg
Richard dumas 11 ppg
Vs
Pippen 21 ppg 9 rpg 8 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
Bj 14 ppg 2 rpg 5 apg 1 spg
Grant 11 ppg 10 rpg 2 apg 2 spg 2 bpg
Last 2 games grant scored 2 point combined with 7 rpg

95/96
Kemp 21 ppg 10 rpg 2 apg 1 spg 2 bpg
Payton 21 ppg 5 rpg 7 apg 2 spg
Schrempf 16 ppg 5 rpg 3 apg
Perkins 12 ppg 4 rpg 2 apg
Hawkins 12 ppg 3 rpg 3 apg
Vs
Pippen 16 ppg 7 rpg 5 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
Kukoc 13 ppg 5 rpg 4 apg 1 spg
Longley 12 ppg 4 rpg 2 apg 2 bpg
Rodman 8 ppg 15 rpg 3 apg

96/97
Malone 26 ppg 11 rpg 3 apg 1 spg&bpg
Stockton 16 ppg 4 rpg 10 apg 2 spg
Hornacek 14 ppg 4 rpg 4 apg
Russell 12 ppg 5 rpg
Vs
Pippen 20 ppg 8 rpg 4 apg 2 spg 2 bpg
Kukoc 8 ppg 3 rpg 3 apg
Bison dele 7 ppg
Rodman 2 ppg 8 rpg

97/98
Malone 26 ppg 11 rpg
Stockton 11 ppg 8 apg
Hornacek and russel 11 ppg
Vs
Pippen 16 ppg 7 rpg 5 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
Kukoc 15 ppg 5 rpg 3 apg
Rodman 3 ppg 8 rpg
Harper 5 ppg
Kerr 4 ppg

So no 3rd 4th or 5 th bulls player never out played 3rd 4th or 5th best bulls player except for 98.
Payton out played pippen in 96.
In 92 jordan, drexler, pippen, porter, kersey, duckworth

I also pointed this out to you in another thread not even 24 hours ago?

[BarbaGrizz]

Since nobody is answering the TS I will chime in with my response. Nothing. MJ did nothing in the 5 years without Scottie. And to be crystal clear, Scottie actually has won more playoff games with MJ than MJ has without Scottie. Scottie also has won more playoff series in his career than MJ has.

If Lebron wins a chip this year it will be his first championship without a big three. So I think Jordan is allowed Pippen who is no AD.

And to answer your question he AVERAGED 45 points his sophmore year in the celtics playoff series without Pippen including 60+ point game on .500+ shooting. This thread is funny to me.

Pippen, Grant wasn't a big 3?
Pippen, Rodman wasn't a big 3?

Kindly tell me who had a better #2 & #3 option than MJ? MJ already had the deck stacked to the max.

Are we now considering Horace Grant a superstar?

[Kobe187]

Jordan was a phenom in the 80’s. The best player on the planet by a country Mile. He never took the easy way out. Showed up to every single game, put the team on his back and played his heart out. His insane competitive drive was incredible.


What if Jordan left the Bulls and joined the Lakers in the 80’s? Returned to Chicago in the 90’s when they were better (and still recruited a star player)? Then jumped ship again for his final run recruiting Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett and other solid players to win a few more Championships before retiring? How many Championships would Jordan have? 15? 16? 17?

[twyzted]

Why are there so many threads these days trying to discredit Jordan?

Look at it this way.

LeBron doesn't win a championship without

Dwane Wade
Chris Bosh
Ray Allen
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Anthony Davis (assuming the Lakers win)


Jordan doesn't win a championship without

Pippen

Needing to take 6 guys away to discredit LeBron? You're proving the point, no?

To erase LBJ's legacy you would need to take away MANY players from LBJ because he could win with many guys in many scenarios. But with MJ, you only need to take away one guy and he is nothing. You just had to list 6 guys to discredit LBJ, with MJ we only need to list 1. Do you get it now?

Take away 1 player from both (not 1 and then 6 for the other, how does that even make sense).

LBJ w/o Wade = 1 ring (soon to be 2)
MJ w/o Pippem = zero rings. Zero playoff series wins as well

MJ's legacy is 100% tied to Pippen so pay that man some respect. MJ heavily relied on Pippen whereas LBJ could still win without Wade.

How many did lebron win in cleveland after kyrie left?
Wade w/o lbj = 1 ring
Also Jordan never scored under 20 point in a finals game ever. Never under 15 point in a playoff game.
Lebron avg 18ppg in a final serie.
8 points in finals game.
He never shot under 40% in a finals serie.
How many titles does lebron have w/o another player scoring under 19ppg.
How many does he have with only 1 guy other guy score over 8 ppg?

Nobody denies how great Pippen was its just you guys want to dimish Jordan by talking about Jordan did nothing without him.

So pay Jordan the respect he deserves

Mvp dpoy in the same season. With a rookie pippen and made it to ecsf.
2nd year pippen ok player but still unproven. Ecf lost against the pistons.
He also won a olimpic gold and ncaa title.

[jc23]

Has anyone brought up the fact that he carried a bunch of looney Tunes while defeating the Monstars?

[spikeslovechild]

Since nobody is answering the TS I will chime in with my response. Nothing. MJ did nothing in the 5 years without Scottie. And to be crystal clear, Scottie actually has won more playoff games with MJ than MJ has without Scottie. Scottie also has won more playoff series in his career than MJ has.

If Lebron wins a chip this year it will be his first championship without a big three. So I think Jordan is allowed Pippen who is no AD.

And to answer your question he AVERAGED 45 points his sophmore year in the celtics playoff series without Pippen including 60+ point game on .500+ shooting. This thread is funny to me.

Pippen, Grant wasn't a big 3?
Pippen, Rodman wasn't a big 3?

Kindly tell me who had a better #2 & #3 option than MJ? MJ already had the deck stacked to the max.

Um no they weren't.

[r0drig0lac]

how did a thread that should be ban worthy reached 9 pages?

[sunsbg]

Barkley + KJ, Malone + Stockton, Hakeem + Drexler, Shaq + Penny, Kemp + Payton, etc. Grant was nothing more than a high level role player similar to Majerle, Hornacek, Kenny Smith, Schrempf. The Bulls were built like any of these other good teams.

Now everything looks so fake compared to the 90s - the officiating, the All-Star game, US team(vs Dream Team) and obviously Lebron shamelessly building super-teams all the time.

[mixerball]

obvious ballboy is obvious

[Magic Is Magic]

Why are there so many threads these days trying to discredit Jordan?

Look at it this way.

LeBron doesn't win a championship without

Dwane Wade
Chris Bosh
Ray Allen
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Anthony Davis (assuming the Lakers win)


Jordan doesn't win a championship without

Pippen

You're proving the point, no?

To erase LBJ's legacy you would need to take away MANY players from LBJ because he could win with many #2 guys in many scenarios. with MJ, you only need to take away one guy and he is nothing. You just had to list 10 guys to discredit LBJ, with MJ we only need to list 1. Do you get it now?

Take away 1 player from both (not 1 and then 10 for the other).

LBJ w/o Wade = 1 (soon to be 2) rings
MJ w/o Pippem = zero rings. Zero playoff series wins

MJ's legacy is 100% tied to Pippen so pay that man some respect. MJ heavily relied on Pippen whereas LBJ could still win without Wade.

Yeah because Lebron was the one that made the decision to jump over to the next team as soon as things were starting to not go his way. The fact that you're trying to punish Jordan for not leaving the Bulls says alot.

Btw Jordan proved otherwise in those many times that Pippen was hurt in the playoffs that he could still lead the Bulls to success. Look at 1998.

There was a before and after Scottie Pippen phase for Jordan as well. Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen. Five seasons. And as the OP kindly asks, "What did Jordan achieve in those five years without Pippen?"

[The_Hater]

Why is nobody asking ‘what has Kobe Bryant achieved without Derek Fisher?’

Such a dumb thread.

[Magic Is Magic]

If Lebron wins a chip this year it will be his first championship without a big three. So I think Jordan is allowed Pippen who is no AD.

And to answer your question he AVERAGED 45 points his sophmore year in the celtics playoff series without Pippen including 60+ point game on .500+ shooting. This thread is funny to me.

Pippen, Grant wasn't a big 3?
Pippen, Rodman wasn't a big 3?

Kindly tell me who had a better #2 & #3 option than MJ? MJ already had the deck stacked to the max.

Um no they weren't.

Are you sure about that? I think you're wrong.
Pippen, Grant wasn't a big 3?
Pippen, Rodman wasn't a big 3?

Kindly tell me who had a better #2 & #3 option than MJ? MJ already had the deck stacked to the max. I am still waiting.

[Magic Is Magic]

Why is nobody asking ‘what has Kobe Bryant achieved without Derek Fisher?’

Such a dumb thread.

Derek Fisher was not Kobe's #2 option, nice try but you'll need to be better than that. The premise is clear, as we are talking about #1 and #2 options so I kindly ask that you please stay in tune with the discussion. Kobe's #2 option from 2008 and onward would be Gasol, not Derek Fisher. Derek Fisher was an 8 ppg #5 option in the 2009 playoffs and a 10 ppg #4 option in the 2010 playoffs.

[Magic Is Magic]

double post* please delete

[Roddy B for 3]

A bunch of first round exits...and let's not forget at Age 33 he needed Dennis Rodman who was another Freak of Nature and HOFer to win and let's not forget his stint with the Wizards which didn't even made the playoffs.

With that said basing on the narrative here.. Can we compare MJ to AD since they basically didn't achieve anything before being paired with another all time great?

Or is Jordan immune from that kind of narrative?

How about an MVP/DPOY/Scoring title in his 4th season?

How about 5th all time in scoring with far and away the least games played of the top 5. How about CARRER averages of 30/5/5.

Gtfoh