GT: Nets @ Pistons - 02/09/21 - 7:30pm

[Hello Brooklyn]

I'm done watching this team for awhile, not wasting anymore of my limited existence on this planet on this embarrassment.

Literally makes me upset watching this team. No joy in it.

I never minded watching the Nets lose when we sucked. Now its just depressing.

[3pt_chucker]

I'm done watching this team for awhile, not wasting anymore of my limited existence on this planet on this embarrassment.

Wish I can say the same. I'll be right back here tomorrow for more punishment.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I think we're getting really close to the point where the team has to look into cutting some of the non-guaranteed guys and trading Joe Harris + Dinwiddie for multiple defensive complimentary pieces. The rotation needs a rehaul. The effort on defense + the boards is awful but at some point, that's just who we are. Can't expect things to magically turn things around. The defense has been a disaster.

With KD, we're still incredibly dangerous but this stuff just isn't sustainable. It's playing with fire to even go into the post season with this roster.

I think that has to be the move. Harris/Dinwiddie are our only real assets.

We have to pray Shamet can be our shooter once Harris leaves.

Need a couple of killers on defense who let the Big 3 carry the offense night to night.

[therealbig3]

Harden trade looks like a mistake, not gonna lie.

This isn't Houston James Harden, this is a slightly better Dinwiddie. Good player...not worth Allen, Prince, and all those draft picks. We have no semblance of a defense and a guy who's supposed to average 30 in his sleep deferring to the likes of TLC and Green in 4th quarters.

[NyCeEvO]

Harden will keep walking away with pretty stat lines, but he's been terrible consistently whenever he leads the bench unit. Keeps deferring over and over again despite him looking to score is clearly our best bet.

I agree, I'm tired of watching him defer, fall asleep defensively, and the frequency of bad turnovers. He has plenty of good moments as a Net already, but for the most part, he's not performing anywhere close to that Houston level.

HOU was always built around Harden and his deficiencies. Sure, he gave you a lot but in the areas where he didn't excel or simply couldn't do more, Morey surrounded him with quality, high IQ players.

A lot of people just look at "Harden + trash = automatic playoff bid" but it was really Harden + 3&D players at 2-4 + rim-running center for the majority of his time in HOU.

Now, it's Harden + bad players and we're starting to see what it looks like when you don't have players who complement his style well and are questionable NBA-level players.

[thekorean]

I am tired of Steve Nash.

[Stone]

Anyone else concerned about Kyrie’s finger?

[ecuhus1981]

I mean, you routinely knee-jerk blame the coach whenever anything goes wrong, so I don't think I have anything to prove with regards to MY analysis in comparison to yours.

I don't understand why the coach has to get guys that are getting paid millions to play hard every night.

It's not about playing hard or effort. It's about scheme and philosophy. You can't freelance a bunch of floor-burning hustle plays, without the assurance of a system behind you that the other 4 players on the court know and respect. We don't have that. We don't have lazy players. We have players that would make hustle plays all day if Popp were our coach, or Doc, or Thibs, or Bud, or Kerr, or Ty or...

DJ is the definition of laziness though. And Jeff Green has a track record of being lazy and disengaged on his previous teams as well. Harden has the same reputation. Kyrie has his own reputation. You can't say that our guys have excellent track records when it comes to hustle.

Jordan is coasting these days no matter the coach, we agree.

The rest of our players have shown consistent effort of D when playing under good defensive coaches. Nash is not getting the best out of this team, not even close.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Harden will keep walking away with pretty stat lines, but he's been terrible consistently whenever he leads the bench unit. Keeps deferring over and over again despite him looking to score is clearly our best bet.

I agree, I'm tired of watching him defer, fall asleep defensively, and the frequency of bad turnovers. He has plenty of good moments as a Net already, but for the most part, he's not performing anywhere close to that Houston level.

HOU was always built around Harden and his deficiencies. Sure, he gave you a lot but in the areas where he didn't excel or simply couldn't do more, Morey surrounded him with quality, high IQ players.

A lot of people just look at "Harden + trash = automatic playoff bid" but it was really Harden + 3&D players at 2-4 + rim-running center for the majority of his time in HOU.

Now, it's Harden + bad players and we're starting to see what it looks like when you don't have players who complement his style well and are questionable NBA-level players.

Harden was still an offensive monster on those teams. Even last year.

I wouldn't care about the defensive lapses as much if he was doing what he used to do.

Hes not even close to that player right now.

[DarkXaero]

I'm not gonna overreact with hot takes but this team needs to wake up from their collective slumber. You can't keep saying the same right things after every loss, but still keep coming out with the same weak energy, effort, and defense every time. There needs to be a lot of collective improvement.

There are other things that will happen over time, like the roster moves, that's a matter of time. But in the meantime, we have to do a lot better than we currently are.

[Sharcm1]

The main difference between this team and last years team. We rarely got out worked last year. This year it’s every game. I’m sorry but when you trade your heart away it never ends well. Nothing is going to help this team because our main problem is we have two guards that have to start that don’t play defense. Harden and Irving don’t play defense. Don’t hustle. Don’t do the little things. Offense is not enough.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't see any buyout guys fixing our defensive problems anymore.

McGee and washed up Ariza are not saving us.

I could see us making it out of the East but Lakers would murder us if we can't play a basic level of defense.

[3pt_chucker]

Anyone else concerned about Kyrie’s finger?

Yes. It clearly looked like it affected him. He usually never has air balls when wide open.

[NyCeEvO]

Harden trade looks like a mistake, not gonna lie.

This isn't Houston James Harden, this is a slightly better Dinwiddie. Good player...not worth Allen, Prince, and all those draft picks. We have no semblance of a defense and a guy who's supposed to average 30 in his sleep deferring to the likes of TLC and Green in 4th quarters.

I think that's a drastic overreaction.

For as bad as we are now, I was pretty sure we couldn't be a true contender once Dinwiddie went down. None of the guys we gave up amount to the potential of what we can do with Harden on the team.

We don't need star talent, but we do need players who are good enough to fill particular roles on this team that simply aren't being filled right now.

Modern great teams have 3&D role-playing wings and athletic role-playing big men. My first thought is to say that we don't have anyone in either department. Those are really important roles that must be filled if you want to deter other teams from scoring and punish teams who over-help/double when one of the stars attacks the basket.

We're going to keep struggling until these roles are filled with quality players. I'm not sure if Marks believed that our star power would make our need for such players unnecessary, but to me it's been absolutely glaring over the past two seasons that these spots have to be filled.

IMO, this is Marks truly first sizable miss as a GM. A lot of us were calling for these roles to be filled in the offseason. For some reason, he was content with adding more guards to the roster than filling out the team with actual depth spread throughout the team.

[NyCeEvO]

I agree, I'm tired of watching him defer, fall asleep defensively, and the frequency of bad turnovers. He has plenty of good moments as a Net already, but for the most part, he's not performing anywhere close to that Houston level.

HOU was always built around Harden and his deficiencies. Sure, he gave you a lot but in the areas where he didn't excel or simply couldn't do more, Morey surrounded him with quality, high IQ players.

A lot of people just look at "Harden + trash = automatic playoff bid" but it was really Harden + 3&D players at 2-4 + rim-running center for the majority of his time in HOU.

Now, it's Harden + bad players and we're starting to see what it looks like when you don't have players who complement his style well and are questionable NBA-level players.

Harden was still an offensive monster on those teams. Even last year.

I wouldn't care about the defensive lapses as much if he was doing what he used to do.

Hes not even close to that player right now.

Yes, he was still a monster because he was surrounded by the right pieces. They covered his weak spots and he covered theirs.

Stylistically, Harden isn't doing much different from what he was doing in HOU. There's just a massive difference between passing to Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker versus TLC and Reggie Perry.

The threat of making 3s off of Harden penetration made it difficult for teams to double Harden, but if you don't double him, he'll go to work on you 1-on-1. Right now, no one is afraid of TLC and other bench players making 3s at a high clip like Gordon or Tucker. The defense just sags off of Harden and clogs the paint. And because Harden was basically a feast or famine 3pt shot-& layup player, you're getting a lot of low quality 3s because the paint is blocked off.

If the paint opens up, he can feast more. The paint will remain closed as long as he's passing to borderline NBA players.

[Claud]

I have never seen a Nets team THIS bad defensively. NEVER.

Even our trash teams over the years would play WAY harder/better.

We were struggling defensively before the Harden trade but now it's a new level of trash.

Harden/Kyrie are incredible offensive weapons but they are NOT consistent defenders. They just aren't. Nothing against them.

The only way this type of roster works is if you have a BEAST center that can play defense at a good level(Allen, Capela, Gobert, etc.)

This current team as constructed would struggle to be a playoffs team without KD. KD is our best player by far. Difference between true contender and maybe playoffs team.

It's a shame we lost the Fro because he fits this current roster perfectly. I hope eventually Claxton can give us something positive but not holding my breath either. Marks WILL have to make moves, no doubt about this roster is unbalanced and booty on D.

DJ is and has been washed for years. He is who he is. I hope we can hit the lottery in the buyout market because things aren't looking great for this roster.

[DarkXaero]

Nash essentially called out the team in post match comments, saying that we need to decide what kind of team we want to be, and basically saying that we don't play with pride.

[Claud]

Nash essentially called out the team in post match comments, saying that we need to decide what kind of team we want to be, and basically saying that we don't play with pride.

The players have been playing like trash but the coaching hasn't been good either. Nash should also look in the mirror.

[Born_Ready]

I'm tired of overreacting about this team and coaching staff. Admitingly, I was skeptical of KD coming back from injuries, and Kyrie not mentally prepared for a full season of basketball focus.

Personally, I didn't like the idea of giving up young talent for James, but the idea of him coming in putting up 30+ a night overshadowed my thoughts of losing Jarrett and Caris.

26 games in and I can honestly say with the added superstar's this team isn't any better, and Nash isn't an upgrade over Kenny.

I am very disappointed because my expectations were through the roof for the Nets to start the season. After their 2nd loss to the Cavs I realized this team has an uphill climb to really be considered as a contender.

This team is good but not good enough to be taken serious. My expectations for them the reminder of season are minimal.

[Openheimer]

There is no depth out there. TLC throwing up air balls. Jordan is not a starter on a contender