Cedric Ceballos in ICU with COVID

[clyde21]

I don't think it is useful to go back and forth with Clyde on this at all, or for Clyde to go back and forth with anyone else. We all hope that Cedric pulls through, and it is really sad to see him in this position.

of course we all hope Cedric pulls through, but some people here think that he doesn't deserve any help because he *possibly* chose not to get vaccinated.

just disgusting.

Fair enough. I do believe that in a disaster there are guidelines for who to allocate beds to based on likelihood of survival, but I absolutely agree that no one deserves to not get help because they *might have* or even *did* make a poor decision.

agreed, but not sure how that applies here since the vaccinated covid symptoms are inhibited anyways. other than "taking away your ICU bed"...the vaccinated have nothing to worry about. people just need to move the hell on with their lives at this point.

[seanbig]

Not sure why we can understand what shooting 90 percent at the line means

But can’t understand what a vaccine shooting 90% can mean

Yes you can get covid even after getting double vaccinated

Just like curry can miss a free throw shot so can the vaccine in protecting you

It’s like wearing body armor to protect you from dying from a suicide bomber

Sometimes it’s just bad luck but if you are close enough to that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) your luck May run out and you could die or get severely injured…. But does that mean we should have all the army go into an enemy zone with no protection?
The nurse only know antechdodal evidence ..which is weak statically evidence but means more for the listener

[Da ThRONe]

SHHHHH... They aren't ready for that.

Lol hospitalization could literally mean a bit of oxygen and monitoring and your out. A Respiratory therapist on Reddit laid it out, there are 7 stages of COVID hospitalization and the vast majority of vaccinated patients get a few litres of oxygen, some monitoring, maybe some antibiotics and get released fairly quickly.

They also said that 87% of patients vaccinated and in hospital were over 60, they probably went more as a precaution, due to that age range having a higher number of other issues.

I’m guessing you dummies also didn’t read the whole 30 sec article lol

‘ and a growing body of research has shown those who are unvaccinated face far higher risks of severe illness or death from a COVID-19 infection”

does this work for the unvaccinated or nah?

The mental gymnastics some people go through is scarily astonishing. This guy just talked down hospitalizations to defend the vaccine, but will use similar hospitalizations stats to suggest all people should be vaccinated. Either the hospitalizations stats are being overrated (which IMO they are) or they are not. Can't pick and choose when it's important or not.

[FrodoFraggins]

my sympathy meter is broken for the unvaccinated, unless there's a health reason they couldn't get it. They are clogging ERs and such and some people can't even get life saving surgeries in places because of it.

[Asianiac_24]

i feel like the same way about all the people who refuse to exercise and eat sugar and junk food all day. these people should not take up ICU beds from people who choose to live a healthy lifestyle.

sounds like a stupid **** argument when u try to extrapolate it to anything other than covid, huh?

Being fat is not contagious.

You can't be fat, breathe on 10 people and then magically 10 other people are fat and you're down 10 ICU beds.

Hello?

this discussion is about whether someone deserves an ICU bed because of their lifestyle decision or not.

if someone who chooses not to get the vaccine doesn't deserve an ICU bed...why does someone who smokes? or someone who drinks regularly? or someone who eats junk for every day and develops heart disease? or someone that likes to speed on the freeway?

glad you people think u can decide who "deserves" an ICU bed or not.

Here we go again. Let me dumb it down for you a couple points already mentioned.

1.When you smoke or drink or eat junk, there’s a tax associated with it. That is used to help pay for the eventual healthcare costs. People have been doing that forever and it hadn’t clogged up ICUs.
2. Being fat or unhealthy is not contagious. David Goggins won’t become fat and unhealthy when a fatty comes in contact with him.
3. Being fit and living a healthy lifestyle is a lifetime commitment. Taking the vaccine is a 30 min in 2 separate day commitment. This is such a stupid argument, and this point has been mentioned again and again. Joe Rogan does not have a medical degree, you know that right?
4. Vaccinated people should be prioritized over unvaccinated people for COVID in the ICU. They have been told for months to get it, if they don’t get it they should live with the consequences and wait in line.

[Da ThRONe]

Knowing that I have a risk of not getting an ICU bed because a bunch of covid unvaccinated idiots are taking up beds does impact my daily life and could impact my own ability to get treated for any type of health issue that I have.

i feel like the same way about all the people who refuse to exercise and eat sugar and junk food all day. these people should not take up ICU beds from people who choose to live a healthy lifestyle.

sounds like a stupid **** argument when u try to extrapolate it to anything other than covid, huh?

Being fat is not contagious.

You can't be fat, breathe on 10 people and then magically 10 other people are fat and you're down 10 ICU beds.

Hello?

And getting the jab doesn't stop you from getting and giving covid so what's your point?

[Asianiac_24]

i feel like the same way about all the people who refuse to exercise and eat sugar and junk food all day. these people should not take up ICU beds from people who choose to live a healthy lifestyle.

sounds like a stupid **** argument when u try to extrapolate it to anything other than covid, huh?

Being fat is not contagious.

You can't be fat, breathe on 10 people and then magically 10 other people are fat and you're down 10 ICU beds.

Hello?

And getting the jab doesn't stop you from getting and giving covid so what's your point?

Stephen Curry miss free throws. Ben Simmons miss free throws. What’s the difference?

[Da ThRONe]

Being fat is not contagious.

You can't be fat, breathe on 10 people and then magically 10 other people are fat and you're down 10 ICU beds.

Hello?

this discussion is about whether someone deserves an ICU bed because of their lifestyle decision or not.

if someone who chooses not to get the vaccine doesn't deserve an ICU bed...why does someone who smokes? or someone who drinks regularly? or someone who eats junk for every day and develops heart disease? or someone that likes to speed on the freeway?

glad you people think u can decide who "deserves" an ICU bed or not.

Here we go again. Let me dumb it down for you a couple points already mentioned.

1.When you smoke or drink or eat junk, there’s a tax associated with it. That is used to help pay for the eventual healthcare costs. People have been doing that forever and it hadn’t clogged up ICUs.
2. Being fat or unhealthy is not contagious. David Goggins won’t become fat and unhealthy when a fatty comes in contact with him.
3. Being fit and living a healthy lifestyle is a lifetime commitment. Taking the vaccine is a 30 min in 2 separate day commitment. This is such a stupid argument, and this point has been mentioned again and again. Joe Rogan does not have a medical degree, you know that right?
4. Vaccinated people should be prioritized over unvaccinated people for COVID in the ICU. They have been told for months to get it, if they don’t get it they should live with the consequences and wait in line.

His whole point is about this moral divide that some people are making about who deserves medical care based on choices. I don't recall ever in my life people saying someone should be denied care because of a choice. Literally if you attempted suicide you would still receive care.

[Da ThRONe]

Being fat is not contagious.

You can't be fat, breathe on 10 people and then magically 10 other people are fat and you're down 10 ICU beds.

Hello?

And getting the jab doesn't stop you from getting and giving covid so what's your point?

Stephen Curry miss free throws. Ben Simmons miss free throws. What’s the difference?

So let's kick Ben Simmons out of the league take all his money away and force him to live on the streets. And let's hope that Steph Curry doesn't give people cancer at an alarming rate 5 years from now.

[Swish1906]

I don't think it is useful to go back and forth with Clyde on this at all, or for Clyde to go back and forth with anyone else. We all hope that Cedric pulls through, and it is really sad to see him in this position.

of course we all hope Cedric pulls through, but some people here think that he doesn't deserve any help because he *possibly* chose not to get vaccinated.

just disgusting.

Ignoring science and data 20 months into a pandemic is disgusting. Cheap whataboutism is disgusting. Playing the "possible not vaxxed" game when he clearly isnt (as explained why by multiple people) is disgusting. Playing the "some here wanna let him die" game when its all about the potential incoming triage is disgusting.

Well done. Im out of here, its as always a waste of time

[Side beard]

i dont know how to feel about this

vaccine helps, is it really worth it ending in icu with covid?

[FNQ]

If you could get a couple free inoculations that prevent obesity it would certainly save a lot of lives and a lot of money spent on public health.

Last time I check a healthy life style is as free as those jabs and way safer.

Nice try. Last time i checked a healthy lifestyle requires 24/7 discipline. The jabs costs you a few minutes of your life

Also requires $$$... very hard to be healthy on the cusp of poverty

[FNQ]

my sympathy meter is broken for the unvaccinated, unless there's a health reason they couldn't get it. They are clogging ERs and such and some people can't even get life saving surgeries in places because of it.

One thing I learned in medicine is that you cannot save those who are unwilling to save themselves.. you can't put 100% of yourself to every patient because of this. You have to triage patients - if I have a 2 cancer-potential patients that smoke.. one's trying to quit and another needs constant babysitting to save their own life, you can't put in the insane extra time it takes for that one person. Granted this only happened with me in rehab (ie when ACL reconstructs decide that they are ready to run right now, or decide to half-ass the program), but it still applies.

I sympathize with the unvaccinated the same way I sympathize with the smoker who refuses to quit or the athlete that read something online and now is diverting from a rehab plan - all the best, but I wish you'd make a better decision. And then I disconnect and move on to someone who I can help

[lambchop]

Stuff like this is just sad. This guy is clearly fighting for his life and the vast majority of people just care about his vaccine status so they can see if they can use this as a pro or con for their side of the argument. I mean we even have people saying he should maybe lose his spot in the ICU based on his vaccine status.

The coldness of many people nowadays is eye opening. I hope he gets the best available care and gets healthy.

And just a heads up, I’m not looking to debate on this topic. So you can quote me but I’m not going to read it. Don’t really care about having a debate over someone who is currently fighting for his life.

Coldness is allowing this stuff to slide when there is a clear fix to prevent this. Given how packed hospitals are, he is likely taking up a hospital bed that could be used to host another patient, either with diabetes, car accident, and what not. This other person is not able to have the care he or she needs because this selfish guy is refusing to take the vaccine, and is now in the hospital for it.

If you refuse to get vaccinated, unless you can prove a medical condition preventing you from getting it, you should sign away your rights to a spot in the hospital for covid. Ask your Facebook doctor how to breathe without a ventilator.

Yeah, great examples.

The guy with Type 2 Diabetes who ate poorly for decades and ignored his blood sugar levels?

Or the guy in a car accident who was driving too fast for the road conditions and was at fault for the wreck?

Guess they don't deserve a hospital bed either. In fact, no one ever deserves premium lifesaving medical care unless they are perfect specimens who made nothing but well informed health decisions throughout the entirety of their lives. Otherwise, f*ck 'em and let them suffer the consequences, am I right?

tbh I think that, at this point, the unvaxxed should be prepared for this treatment and should definitely focus more on their health. Cant be unvaxxed and overweight and then expect sympathy from the vaxxed. Those (multiple) daily workouts, cold showers etc. should be part of that regimen cause at some point I doubt the unvaxxed will even be admitted to hospitals, unless parallel societies start forming.

[FNQ]

If he isn’t vaccinated, this might sound cruel but IMO he should automatically give up, or at least be at the end of the queue for the ICU.

You are putting everyone at risk, prolonging the pandemic, and now taking up a valuable spot in the hospital because you refuse to listen to the professional doctors and got your advice off social media or news outlet.

After talking to many people who won't get it for one reason or another, I now believe the masking and restrictions will last for years now. Barely half of America has been vaxxed and most aren't waiting for something to happen in order to get it (outside of the, now common, story of someone who refuses to get it, gets deathly ill, survives, and pushes people to get it now).

A friend of mine is a nurse in NC and her hospital is about full with covid patients. They called in nurses from another hospital to help with the overcrowding. Said one nurse left in tears. Every covid patient is unvaccinated. Every...single...one.

I'm in Pandora too and I'm hearing the exact opposite.

You're hearing that not every covid patient is unvaccinated? Which part is wrong? The overcrowding or the overwhelming and unmistakably correct assertion that its almost exclusively unvaccinated people?

I have to go back to working as a transport/RN, again, because of how slammed bay area hospitals are. And per our last data for the entire Bay Area (ranging from Sacramento to San Jose), its less than 1% of COVID hospitalizations of vaccinated people. And that number drops significantly, from even that tiny percentage, if there are no other underlying health conditions.

[FNQ]

I don't think it is useful to go back and forth with Clyde on this at all, or for Clyde to go back and forth with anyone else. We all hope that Cedric pulls through, and it is really sad to see him in this position.

Clearly this isn't true though. I mean on the 1st page of this thread we have a post talking about how Cedric should automatically forfeit his bed in the ICU. And 11 other posters on here And'1 that. Saying someone has essentially lost their right to be treated medically because they dont have a vaccine isn't hoping Cedric pulls through this. That is saying something far more darker and sinister.

There are many, many flavors of stupid in this thread

Simply put: getting the vaccination, unless you have a *legitimate* medical reason for doing so, is the morally and logically responsible thing to do. If you don think so, let me make it clear: you're wrong.

However if someone chooses not to, their life isn't forfeit. Being frustrated that someone else is wrong doesn't justify saying they deserve to die. Pretty sure that kind of logic should have been worked out in elementary school but here we are.

Really wish we could just go back to people pretending to know intricate details about basketball instead of pretending to know intricate details about medicine. We all have google, and we can all get google to find out of context BS that supports our tinfoil arguments. If you think you're outsmarting the entire world of doctors attacking this because you found one narcissistic doc who wants to be the one who cured COVID (despite unrepeatable results - you know, science?).. then you probably need serious help. Stay in your lane, jesus

[Ayt]

I couldn't care less what happens to anti-vaxxers.

[ac1011990]

Lol hospitalization could literally mean a bit of oxygen and monitoring and your out. A Respiratory therapist on Reddit laid it out, there are 7 stages of COVID hospitalization and the vast majority of vaccinated patients get a few litres of oxygen, some monitoring, maybe some antibiotics and get released fairly quickly.

They also said that 87% of patients vaccinated and in hospital were over 60, they probably went more as a precaution, due to that age range having a higher number of other issues.

I’m guessing you dummies also didn’t read the whole 30 sec article lol

‘ and a growing body of research has shown those who are unvaccinated face far higher risks of severe illness or death from a COVID-19 infection”

does this work for the unvaccinated or nah?

The mental gymnastics some people go through is scarily astonishing. This guy just talked down hospitalizations to defend the vaccine, but will use similar hospitalizations stats to suggest all people should be vaccinated. Either the hospitalizations stats are being overrated (which IMO they are) or they are not. Can't pick and choose when it's important or not.

Lol there’s no arguing with people like you. Literally have no common sense, no abilities to critically think, nothing. It’s kind of sad actually. Apparently all hospitalizations are exactly the same to you, no difference between a quick trip to the ER and a stay in the ICU. Also, if your going by the article, if Israel is one of the leading countries in vaccination rates, wouldn’t it make sense that a large % of patients hospitalized were vaccinated? Everyone knows even with vaccines you can get COVID with symptoms but those symptoms are usually milder compared to unvaccinated patients. If there are more vaccinated than unvaccinated in Israel, common sense dictates you would see more vaccinated patients in hospitals because of how many more in number there are.

I’ll link an article explaining what your failing to see, I’m guessing you won’t read it because your already smarter than all the doctors, researchers and scientists combined.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/experts-warn-that-new-covid-19-data-on-vaccination-status-may-not-show-whole-picture-1.5541781

[Domejandro]

I am closing this thread because it is kind of a mess.

1. I have said this in other threads, but the data is absolutely clear. Please get vaccinated.

2. Please do not celebrate/jeer at people getting COVID on this forum, regardless of vaccination status. Those kind of posts are not acceptable, this is not the environment for that behaviour.

3. Hopefully Cedric recovers well.