Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread

Prokorov · Post #161 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 2:46 am

Claud wrote:Ibaka's only 32... is he really done?

Would not mind giving him a look, can't hurt. Plus him and KD are tight.

"32"

its long been speculated his birth certificate was fake and he is significantly older.

Jay555 · Post #162 » by **Jay555** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 8:21 am

Need Joe back soon or trade him.

MrDollarBills · Post #163 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 11:57 am

Prokorov wrote:
Claud wrote:Ibaka's only 32... is he really done?

Would not mind giving him a look, can't hurt. Plus him and KD are tight.

"32"

its long been speculated his birth certificate was fake and he is significantly older.

Serge is probably late 30s at best.

_Und3r][D4wg_ · Post #164 » by **_Und3r][D4wg_** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 2:42 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Claud wrote:Ibaka's only 32... is he really done?

Would not mind giving him a look, can't hurt. Plus him and KD are tight.

"32"

its long been speculated his birth certificate was fake and he is significantly older.

Serge is probably late 30s at best.

Probably as old as Milsap/Aldridge. Could he be better/more useful than 'Sap??

GYK · Post #165 » by **GYK** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 2:55 pm

Prokorov wrote:
GYK wrote:

I don’t know what other people call you. I can only go on what I read and our interactions. You sir, are a homer. Less about basketball knowledge and just love of a team. That’s cool. I don’t hate it.

In what way am I a homer? was I a homer when I said claxton was a g-league level player who would be packing groceries in a few months? Was I a homer when I had us winning 10 less games then the rest of the board in our preseason poll here? Was I a homer when i proposed 5 Harris trades in this very thread? Or when i proposed similar trades before he was injured?

Was I a homer when i trashed LMA? Was I a homer when i said Miami was the best team in the east after their offseason moves?

you have no clue what you are talking about

I didn’t see any of those. Why would you think I did?
Now here’s the thing tho. You’re saying multiple players aren’t good and yet you constantly propose to not do anything. No trades and good forbid the TPE’s to replace the players you just said weren’t good.
It doesn’t make sense.

As for my trade proposals they aren’t flashy but to bring in more 3&D depth. I’m sure last night we all saw the impact of Bridges and even Kessler on the game.
Harden-Kyrie-Brooks-Durant-Sharpe(Buyout)
Harden-Mills-Kessler-Kuzma-LMA/Anderson
Mills-Kyrie-Durant-Kuzma-LMA/Anderson
Mills-Brooks-Kessler-Kuzma-LMA/Anderson
Harden-Kyrie-Brooks-Durant-Kuzma

Even when guys sit there’s no lack of defenders, gang rebounders and shooters for one of the Big3 if not multiple to play with. Even the lack of shooting from Bembry/Johnson/Blake is lessened as they move up in rotation because they are now the only non shooter on the floor. Anderson is more insurance than need but with a +30 core insurance was always a need in the regular season. I don’t see how you can argue against it. But yea it’s fanatic.

Prokorov · Post #166 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 7:21 pm

GYK wrote:I didn’t see any of those. Why would you think I did?
Now here’s the thing tho. You’re saying multiple players aren’t good and yet you constantly propose to not do anything. No trades and good forbid the TPE’s to replace the players you just said weren’t good.
It doesn’t make sense.

They are good. I would still trade them. We aren't talking about useless trash. You dont just dump those guys thought unless you are going to get someone who helps. we have VERY FEW assets, we cant give up the ones we have for players who probably dont even crack the playoff rotation.

We have an insane tax multiplier for any salary we take on. If want to bring back Kyrie/Harden or bring back Kyrie and trade for Simmons we need to keep the total commitment within reason. I know Tsai has money and will spend but no owner is going to spend 40-50 million with the tax to bring in an end of the bench guy. if we use the TPE it has to be someone in the playoff rotation. And it is unlikely we find someone that good for just the TPE.

As for my trade proposals they aren’t flashy but to bring in more 3&D depth. I’m sure last night we all saw the impact of Bridges and even Kessler on the game.
Harden-Kyrie-Brooks-Durant-Sharpe(Buyout)
Harden-Mills-Kessler-Kuzma-LMA/Anderson
Mills-Kyrie-Durant-Kuzma-LMA/Anderson
Mills-Brooks-Kessler-Kuzma-LMA/Anderson
Harden-Kyrie-Brooks-Durant-Kuzma

Dillon Brooks is not a 3 & D guy. he is shooting 32% on the year and 35% for his career. Defensively he is no better then someone like Bembry. He doesnt move the needle much at all and we lose Joe's shooting. If we trade Harris, which im not against, we need a reliable shooter in return.

Kuzma as well is a poor shooter. and grades out as a neutral to negative defender who fouls a ton. Neither Kuzma or Brooks is a 3 & D player... hell neither one is even a "3" player let alone 3 & D.

Bridges is awesome. He was a lotto pick, is 25 years old and is on a 4/90 million extension. We have 0 chance to get bridges. We really dont have the assets to get any 3 & D player. again... me, you, and everyone here would love a 3 and D guy. even a bench version. those guys arent out there. They are rare to begin with and all 30 teams covet them.

Even when guys sit there’s no lack of defenders, gang rebounders and shooters for one of the Big3 if not multiple to play with. Even the lack of shooting from Bembry/Johnson/Blake is lessened as they move up in rotation because they are now the only non shooter on the floor. Anderson is more insurance than need but with a +30 core insurance was always a need in the regular season. I don’t see how you can argue against it. But yea it’s fanatic.

Brooks is not a shooter. Kuzma is not a shooter. Both are poor this year and below average for their careers. Kyle anderson barely even takes a three point shot and when he does, he is a poor three point shooter also.

Carter/Milsap/Blake are the same level as Brooks/Anderson/Kuzma. we arent getting upgrades to the guys we had to begin the year.

You want to give me a 38-40% shooter, we can talk trade. but dont talk to me about "3 & D" with some guys who are 33% shooters.

TheNetsFan · Post #167 » by **TheNetsFan** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:20 am

Blow it up in spectacular fashion. 3 team, 12 player blockbuster where everyone swaps headaches.

Nets: Harden, J. Harris, Brown, Carter, Millsap
For: Simmons, Covington, Nance, Curry, Maxey

76ers: Simmons, T. Harris, Curry, Maxey
For: Harden, McCollum, Brown, Carter, Millsap

Blazers: McCollum, Covington, Nance
For: T. Harris, J. Harris

Jay555 · Post #168 » by **Jay555** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:29 am

TheNetsFan wrote:Blow it up in spectacular fashion. 3 team, 12 player blockbuster where everyone swaps headaches.

Nets: Harden, J. Harris, Brown, Carter, Millsap
For: Simmons, Covington, Nance, Curry, Maxey

76ers: Simmons, T. Harris, Curry, Maxey
For: Harden, McCollum, Brown, Carter, Millsap

Blazers: McCollum, Covington, Nance
For: T. Harris, J. Harris

Because the Blazers are dumb enough to take on both Harris' and willing to lose on the trade.

76ers aint giving up Curry and Maxey.

TheNetsFan · Post #169 » by **TheNetsFan** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:38 am

Jay555 wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Blow it up in spectacular fashion. 3 team, 12 player blockbuster where everyone swaps headaches.

Nets: Harden, J. Harris, Brown, Carter, Millsap
For: Simmons, Covington, Nance, Curry, Maxey

76ers: Simmons, T. Harris, Curry, Maxey
For: Harden, McCollum, Brown, Carter, Millsap

Blazers: McCollum, Covington, Nance
For: T. Harris, J. Harris

Because the Blazers are dumb enough to take on both Harris' and willing to lose on the trade.

76ers aint giving up Curry and Maxey.

They're swapping McCollum for Tobias. That's a significant win for them in my opinion.

Suwanee · Post #170 » by **Suwanee** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:45 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
Jay555 wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Blow it up in spectacular fashion. 3 team, 12 player blockbuster where everyone swaps headaches.

Nets: Harden, J. Harris, Brown, Carter, Millsap
For: Simmons, Covington, Nance, Curry, Maxey

76ers: Simmons, T. Harris, Curry, Maxey
For: Harden, McCollum, Brown, Carter, Millsap

Blazers: McCollum, Covington, Nance
For: T. Harris, J. Harris

Because the Blazers are dumb enough to take on both Harris' and willing to lose on the trade.

76ers aint giving up Curry and Maxey.

They're swapping McCollum for Tobias. That's a significant win for them in my opinion.

That’s at best a wash. And they are still going to give up Covington and Nance for Joe Harris who’s probably done for the season? I don’t see it.

Jay555 · Post #171 » by **Jay555** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:53 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
Jay555 wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Blow it up in spectacular fashion. 3 team, 12 player blockbuster where everyone swaps headaches.

Nets: Harden, J. Harris, Brown, Carter, Millsap
For: Simmons, Covington, Nance, Curry, Maxey

76ers: Simmons, T. Harris, Curry, Maxey
For: Harden, McCollum, Brown, Carter, Millsap

Blazers: McCollum, Covington, Nance
For: T. Harris, J. Harris

Because the Blazers are dumb enough to take on both Harris' and willing to lose on the trade.

76ers aint giving up Curry and Maxey.

They're swapping McCollum for Tobias. That's a significant win for them in my opinion.

How is CJ worse than Tobias? I do not get it.

MrDollarBills · Post #172 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 3:53 am

TheNetsFan wrote:Blow it up in spectacular fashion. 3 team, 12 player blockbuster where everyone swaps headaches.

Nets: Harden, J. Harris, Brown, Carter, Millsap
For: Simmons, Covington, Nance, Curry, Maxey

76ers: Simmons, T. Harris, Curry, Maxey
For: Harden, McCollum, Brown, Carter, Millsap

Blazers: McCollum, Covington, Nance
For: T. Harris, J. Harris

I don't see how the Blazers benefit in this trade.

The Nets and Sixers would be better trading with each other straight up and involving maybe Indiana who is looking to move salary.

HardenGoat · Post #173 » by **HardenGoat** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 5:22 am

Ibaka looks like he’s playing solid on both ends. Playing fantastic against the Lakers. If he is coming here we should use Claxton to upgrade our shooting deficit with the Harris news looming.

GTR11 · Post #174 » by **GTR11** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 5:49 am

TheNetsFan wrote:Blow it up in spectacular fashion. 3 team, 12 player blockbuster where everyone swaps headaches.

Nets: Harden, J. Harris, Brown, Carter, Millsap
For: Simmons, Covington, Nance, Curry, Maxey

76ers: Simmons, T. Harris, Curry, Maxey
For: Harden, McCollum, Brown, Carter, Millsap

Blazers: McCollum, Covington, Nance
For: T. Harris, J. Harris

It'll all come down to Morey. Knowing the way he operates it's very doubtful. He'll try to keep us dry as much as possible. Right now time works against us. During off-season he'd have full leverage.

Only thing we can hope for is mandate to be lifted. Very far fetched, but we need to cross our fingers here. If that's the case, maybe keeping Harden option opens up again. Than again, will he trust Kyrie not to bail again.

ecuhus1981 · Post #175 » by **ecuhus1981** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 7:00 am

Here's a deal that would improve our depth, shooting and playmaking. I think we would need to send 2 2nds to Boston, and 1 to LA, let's do it!

https://fanspo.com/nba/s/nets/trades/ktMD2XRikWlHIO/nets-celtics-and-clippers

I know that it says the deal fails, but that is incorrect. The checker believes that we are a hard capped team from the Shamet deal, but we aren't. Trust me, it works.

GYK · Post #176 » by **GYK** » Sat Feb 5, 2022 4:12 am

Prokorov wrote:
GYK wrote:I didn’t see any of those. Why would you think I did?
Now here’s the thing tho. You’re saying multiple players aren’t good and yet you constantly propose to not do anything. No trades and good forbid the TPE’s to replace the players you just said weren’t good.
It doesn’t make sense.

They are good. I would still trade them. We aren't talking about useless trash. You dont just dump those guys thought unless you are going to get someone who helps. we have VERY FEW assets, we cant give up the ones we have for players who probably dont even crack the playoff rotation.

We have an insane tax multiplier for any salary we take on. If want to bring back Kyrie/Harden or bring back Kyrie and trade for Simmons we need to keep the total commitment within reason. I know Tsai has money and will spend but no owner is going to spend 40-50 million with the tax to bring in an end of the bench guy. if we use the TPE it has to be someone in the playoff rotation. And it is unlikely we find someone that good for just the TPE.

As for my trade proposals they aren’t flashy but to bring in more 3&D depth. I’m sure last night we all saw the impact of Bridges and even Kessler on the game.
Harden-Kyrie-Brooks-Durant-Sharpe(Buyout)
Harden-Mills-Kessler-Kuzma-LMA/Anderson
Mills-Kyrie-Durant-Kuzma-LMA/Anderson
Mills-Brooks-Kessler-Kuzma-LMA/Anderson
Harden-Kyrie-Brooks-Durant-Kuzma

Dillon Brooks is not a 3 & D guy. he is shooting 32% on the year and 35% for his career. Defensively he is no better then someone like Bembry. He doesnt move the needle much at all and we lose Joe's shooting. If we trade Harris, which im not against, we need a reliable shooter in return.

Kuzma as well is a poor shooter. and grades out as a neutral to negative defender who fouls a ton. Neither Kuzma or Brooks is a 3 & D player... hell neither one is even a "3" player let alone 3 & D.

Bridges is awesome. He was a lotto pick, is 25 years old and is on a 4/90 million extension. We have 0 chance to get bridges. We really dont have the assets to get any 3 & D player. again... me, you, and everyone here would love a 3 and D guy. even a bench version. those guys arent out there. They are rare to begin with and all 30 teams covet them.
Even when guys sit there’s no lack of defenders, gang rebounders and shooters for one of the Big3 if not multiple to play with. Even the lack of shooting from Bembry/Johnson/Blake is lessened as they move up in rotation because they are now the only non shooter on the floor. Anderson is more insurance than need but with a +30 core insurance was always a need in the regular season. I don’t see how you can argue against it. But yea it’s fanatic.

Brooks is not a shooter. Kuzma is not a shooter. Both are poor this year and below average for their careers. Kyle anderson barely even takes a three point shot and when he does, he is a poor three point shooter also.

Carter/Milsap/Blake are the same level as Brooks/Anderson/Kuzma. we arent getting upgrades to the guys we had to begin the year.

You want to give me a 38-40% shooter, we can talk trade. but dont talk to me about "3 & D" with some guys who are 33% shooters.

I feel you.

Prokorov · Post #177 » by **Prokorov** » Sat Feb 5, 2022 4:54 am

Covington got traded for peanuts.

Marks seems asleep at the wheel.

TheNetsFan · Post #178 » by **TheNetsFan** » Sat Feb 5, 2022 5:51 am

It sounds like some believe that Morey is going to offer a pick heavy deal. If that's the case, it's time to revisit what players out there fit into the TPEs or would be available for Harris+picks.

Prokorov · Post #179 » by **Prokorov** » Sat Feb 5, 2022 6:10 am

TheNetsFan wrote:It sounds like some believe that Morey is going to offer a pick heavy deal. If that's the case, it's time to revisit what players out there fit into the TPEs or would be available for Harris+picks.

Any deal would likely be a 4 or 5 team trade.... especially with picks involved. I don't see the Nets taking Simmons, I think they would re-route him for a better fit.

The picks may actually be more valuable. KD/Kyrie are super liked, guys will want to play next to them. You re-route 3 or 4 picks and you could end up with someone like Mitchell who is rumored to hate gobert and want out.

Towns/Beal i dont love but either could probably be had for picks.

Maybe you look to break up the picks and give 2 for Grant and another 2 for Sabonis. Then re-route Simmons to the Kings. something like....

Nets out: Harden, Carter, Milsap
Nets in: Fox, Siakim, Sabonis, 2024 kings swap

Philly out: Simmons, 2022,2024,2026
Philly in: Harden, Milsap, Brown

Kings out: Fox, 2023, 2024 swap
Kings in: simmons

Pistons in: 2022, 2024, Carter, Brown
Pistons out: Jeremi Grant

Pacers in: 2023 (kings), 2026 (philly)
Pacers out: Sabonis

Fox | Kyrie | Grant | KD | Sabonis
Mills | Bembry | Harris | Kessler | Claxton

Thats a stud team

TheNetsFan · Post #180 » by **TheNetsFan** » Sat Feb 5, 2022 6:15 am

Prokorov wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:It sounds like some believe that Morey is going to offer a pick heavy deal. If that's the case, it's time to revisit what players out there fit into the TPEs or would be available for Harris+picks.

Any deal would likely be a 4 or 5 team trade.... especially with picks involved. I don't see the Nets taking Simmons, I think they would re-route him for a better fit.

The picks may actually be more valuable. KD/Kyrie are super liked, guys will want to play next to them. You re-route 3 or 4 picks and you could end up with someone like Mitchell who is rumored to hate gobert and want out.

Towns/Beal i dont love but either could probably be had for picks.

Maybe you look to break up the picks and give 2 for Grant and another 2 for Sabonis. Then re-route Simmons to the Kings. something like....

Nets out: Harden, Carter, Milsap
Nets in: Fox, Siakim, Sabonis, 2024 kings swap

Philly out: Simmons, 2022,2024,2026
Philly in: Harden, Milsap, Brown

Kings out: Fox, 2023, 2024 swap
Kings in: simmons

Pistons in: 2022, 2024, Carter, Brown
Pistons out: Jeremi Grant

Pacers in: 2023 (kings), 2026 (philly)
Pacers out: Sabonis

Fox | Kyrie | Grant | KD | Sabonis
Mills | Bembry | Harris | Kessler | Claxton

Thats a stud team

I don't think they'd re-route Simmons now. They'll roll with the upside of a 25 year old former allstar, former All-NBA defensive team & former All NBA team player for the rest of this year. KD can feel the fit out, and if it doesn't work, Simmons can be traded in the offseason.