PG: Raps get hammered

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Lowry made him look better than he actually was too. You don’t see Fred throwing those lobs to him like Lowry did.

I'm not gonna say Lowry made him look better than he was, I'd rather look at it like chemistry and role definition can make a big difference in performance. Which is why I'm not dismissive of certain individuals as just not being the answer. Some guys skillsets fit well with different players in different systems. Our system doesn't seem to be able to make use of anyone unless they're individually talented and can create for themselves.

Product of Nick Nurse’s inept offensive capabilities as a coach.

Nick Nurse is the coaching equivalent of that Kobe Bryant meme. Expect me to draw up a set to get you a good look? JUST GET THE DAMN REBOUND,

Overreaction. Lame attempt @ humour. Don't @ me.

[C_Money]

Yeah Nurse needs to take a good look in the mirror after this season. The defence and offence have both been absolutely dire at different times this year.

There should be no excuse for the defence since we’re loaded with length and great individual defenders. The problem is his system.

[HiJiNX]

The reality is this team is as most said - a play in team. The dreaded 7-11.

U been quiet for a awhile. Interesting timing to make a comeback.

Nick Nurse teams have traditionally played badly on multiple days rest for whatever reason so I wasn’t too surprised with tonight’s effort, especially after the all star break. Everybody but Barnes looked rusty and slow. Just a bad game collectively after a big layoff. We will probably get a much better effort tomorrow. In fact, I expect to win tomorrow.

Put this one away. Burn the tape. Just a bad game.

[Vtop]

Post all star break has been an issue for the Raps. Need to clean it up.

[NinjaBro]

The reality is this team is as most said - a play in team. The dreaded 7-11.

U been quiet for a awhile. Interesting timing to make a comeback.

Nick Nurse teams have traditionally played badly on multiple days rest for whatever reason so I wasn’t too surprised with tonight’s effort, especially after the all star break. Everybody but Barnes looked rusty and slow. Just a bad game collectively after a big layoff. We will probably get a much better effort tomorrow. In fact, I expect to win tomorrow.

Put this one away. Burn the tape. Just a bad game.

Steelo just creepin around ready to pounce

[Kingsway_fan]

Team is screwed if they continue to trot out Birch as starter... like playing 4 on 5... both ways...

[Sidthekid87]

Lmao people blaming Nick nurse. Literally any other coach in the league and this team is in 11th. A rotation piece on this team got crossed up by Mason **** Plumlee yesterday, and you guys have the nerve to blame coaching. They legit have 5 NBA rotational players throughout the entire roster, for them to be in 7th is due to a coaching masterclass.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The reality is this team is as most said - a play in team. The dreaded 7-11.

U been quiet for a awhile. Interesting timing to make a comeback.

Nick Nurse teams have traditionally played badly on multiple days rest for whatever reason so I wasn’t too surprised with tonight’s effort, especially after the all star break. Everybody but Barnes looked rusty and slow. Just a bad game collectively after a big layoff. We will probably get a much better effort tomorrow. In fact, I expect to win tomorrow.

Put this one away. Burn the tape. Just a bad game.

Looked like they just let the vets walk into the game right off the plane, but it is also the second massive blowout to a mediocre team in the past few games.

[Scottie4Bro]

People who said that the core of Fred, Siakam, and OG should eventually be traded away have gotten a serious amount of hate this season, but it's quietly looking like they are quite farsighted and will be proven right in the long run. This core is not contender material, and it has several deep flaws you can't fix with a supporting bench.

If you trade all 3 of FVV, Siakam, and OG in the off-season you could theoretically get back a lot of quality pieces. Serious pieces. Then you take another step back, retool for a year, and build the team around a different direction. Have patience.

[ash_k]

The energy from Pascal and FVV was not right from the start.
Pascal was clearly affected by the lack of spacing with Barnes and Birch. We need Boucher instead of Birch until OG comes back.
Really frustrating, it was big game and the All-Stars were not ready to play. Another big game tonight.
Outside of that Boucher's block in LA, Harrell seems to have our number.

[6ixpessant]

It's always nice to see NBA coaches give their insight on message boards.

Sometimes you get your butt kicked. It's a sportsball thing.

[Sandman88]

Pascal and Fred are disappointments

[Dennis 37]

Cant wait to see the Fred stans try to defend this. Wonder what they’ll pull out

well he's injured. so there's that. he didn't look aight today. and i'm not even a FVV stan.

Injured players should not play. Or, at least, they should not start. We would have looked better out there with Flynn starting. The turnovers were ridiculous.

[Dennis 37]

People who said that the core of Fred, Siakam, and OG should eventually be traded away have gotten a serious amount of hate this season, but it's quietly looking like they are quite farsighted and will be proven right in the long run. This core is not contender material, and it has several deep flaws you can't fix with a supporting bench.

If you trade all 3 of FVV, Siakam, and OG in the off-season you could theoretically get back a lot of quality pieces. Serious pieces. Then you take another step back, retool for a year, and build the team around a different direction. Have patience.

So, we're going to get a lot of quality pieces, better than FVV, Siakam, and OG, at similar or younger ages, in exchange for Siakam. FVV, and OG?

Have patience means you realize that DeRozan is just now showing what he could be, and you want to give up on Pascal, FVV, and OG, at their ages?

[HiJiNX]

Team is screwed if they continue to trot out Birch as starter... like playing 4 on 5... both ways...

Agreed. He offers zero resistance on D and has a very limited offensive offering. I much rather start Precious or even Thad.

Edit: Or Boucher.

[pingpongrac]

Lowry made him look better than he actually was too. You don’t see Fred throwing those lobs to him like Lowry did.

lowry made everyone looked better because he did actual point guard stuff.

That much is obvious and explains our low assists totals.

The ball movement is lacking.

2013/14: 58 AST% (16th)
2014/15: 55 AST% (28th)
2015/16: 51 AST% (30th)
2016/17: 47 AST% (30th)
2017/18: 59 AST% (11th)
2018/19: 60 AST% (14th)
2019/20: 63 AST% (9th)
2020/21: 61 AST% (14th)
2021/22: 54 AST% (30th)

We have typically been a pretty low-assist team since the start of the We the North era. There was a big uptick in Casey's last season because of the bench mob plus racking up a bunch of blowouts then we continued to share the ball a bit more when Nurse took over. We were never a great ball movement team aside from 19/20 though.

Some major factors regarding our lack of assists is due to our FG% (26th at 44.3%) and hustle type plays (2nd in OREB at 13.1 per game and 2nd in 2nd chance points at 16.1 per game) while we're also 5th in transition points with a lot of those being straight-line drives off of steals in the open court. It's not a "we lack a true PG" thing. It's much more of a playstyle thing.

[Chandan]

People who said that the core of Fred, Siakam, and OG should eventually be traded away have gotten a serious amount of hate this season, but it's quietly looking like they are quite farsighted and will be proven right in the long run. This core is not contender material, and it has several deep flaws you can't fix with a supporting bench.

If you trade all 3 of FVV, Siakam, and OG in the off-season you could theoretically get back a lot of quality pieces. Serious pieces. Then you take another step back, retool for a year, and build the team around a different direction. Have patience.

So, we're going to get a lot of quality pieces, better than FVV, Siakam, and OG, at similar or younger ages, in exchange for Siakam. FVV, and OG?

Have patience means you realize that DeRozan is just now showing what he could be, and you want to give up on Pascal, FVV, and OG, at their ages?

If you can't get back quality pieces (or assets) for your quality players, it's likely you have a higher opinion of them than they have out in the open market. I doubt lots of teams are knocking on our door to trade their all star for our all star FVV.

[HumbleRen]

lowry made everyone looked better because he did actual point guard stuff.

That much is obvious and explains our low assists totals.

The ball movement is lacking.

2013/14: 58 AST% (16th)
2014/15: 55 AST% (28th)
2015/16: 51 AST% (30th)
2016/17: 47 AST% (30th)
2017/18: 59 AST% (11th)
2018/19: 60 AST% (14th)
2019/20: 63 AST% (9th)
2020/21: 61 AST% (14th)
2021/22: 54 AST% (30th)

We have typically been a pretty low-assist team since the start of the We the North era. There was a big uptick in Casey's last season because of the bench mob plus racking up a bunch of blowouts then we continued to share the ball a bit more when Nurse took over. We were never a great ball movement team aside from 19/20 though.

Some major factors regarding our lack of assists is due to our FG% (26th at 44.3%) and hustle type plays (2nd in OREB at 13.1 per game and 2nd in 2nd chance points at 16.1 per game) while we're also 5th in transition points with a lot of those being straight-line drives off of steals in the open court. It's not a "we lack a true PG" thing. It's much more of a playstyle thing.

I agree some of it is a playstyle thing but being 25th in half court offence is not a product by design, Nurse pretty much said so as much.

[HumbleRen]

Team is screwed if they continue to trot out Birch as starter... like playing 4 on 5... both ways...

Agreed. He offers zero resistance on D and has a very limited offensive offering. I much rather start Precious or even Thad.

Edit: Or Boucher.

Man screamed for help when Plumlee took him on iso LOL.

No clue why he's starting.

[Tor_Raps]

Lmao people blaming Nick nurse. Literally any other coach in the league and this team is in 11th. A rotation piece on this team got crossed up by Mason **** Plumlee yesterday, and you guys have the nerve to blame coaching. They legit have 5 NBA rotational players throughout the entire roster, for them to be in 7th is due to a coaching masterclass.

So you're saying Masai has failed to put nba calibre players on this roster?