Brooklyn got bamboozled by James Harden

[Hello Brooklyn]

It’s very close between the two. The thing here though is that Allen has far more value. He’s on a lighter contract which allows more flexibility for his team and being a rim protecting big who can guard out at the perimeter. Bigs like that are extremely valuable. He is limited offensively but has a high basketball IQ so it hasn’t really hurt him production wise.

I do agree that overall, Simmons is the better player. But I would much rather have Allen right now.

An All NBA, 2 time Defensive All Team 3 time All Star compared to a one time replacement replacement All Star

Its close?

Simmons is arguably the best defensive player in the NBA. Allen is not even close to that versatile.

And then you accuse me of being a homer.

One of them is also out with mental health and back issues while the other is playing good minutes every game.

But yeah; fans gonna fan. If he's healthy and happy I'd much rather Ben Simmons.

Well I'm assuming the mental health thing is over lol.

If not then its up for debate.

[TheLand13]

It’s very close between the two. The thing here though is that Allen has far more value. He’s on a lighter contract which allows more flexibility for his team and being a rim protecting big who can guard out at the perimeter. Bigs like that are extremely valuable. He is limited offensively but has a high basketball IQ so it hasn’t really hurt him production wise.

I do agree that overall, Simmons is the better player. But I would much rather have Allen right now.

An All NBA, 2 time Defensive All Team 3 time All Star compared to a one time replacement replacement All Star

Its close?

Simmons is arguably the best defensive player in the NBA. Allen is not even close to that versatile.

And then you accuse me of being a homer.

One of them is also out with mental health and back issues while the other is playing good minutes every game.

But yeah; fans gonna fan. If he's healthy and happy I'd much rather Ben Simmons.

Not sure where the fan gonna fan this is coming from. I clearly state Simmons is better overall. His issues as well as his contact are the reason I would rather have Allen on my team.

Not sure what’s so difficult to understand about that.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

[Hoop Heavy]

Yes to the Nets.

Would the Nets with Simmons, KD and Kyrie rather have Allen or Harris?

I promise you 10/10 they would take Harris. One provides spacing the other doesnt.

Its not that hard to understand at all. If you know basketball.

No I won't make a thread. Again I'm not obsessed.

You’re not obsessed and yet you put my quote in your sig. You don’t get to make that complaint. And that comparison doesn’t apply here because everyone knows that isn’t what you were talking about.

But thanks for demonstrating you have a little bit of self awareness. I guess even you know that most people would take Allen because… you know, basketball logic.

That is what I said. You just have trouble understanding basic things. Not my fault.

No most people would not take Allen. Shooting is more valuable in the modern NBA.

Its not that hard to understand. Traditional Centers are not that important in the playoffs. Everyone seems to know this except you.

So, I get this is some sort of running feud ... but really!

Didn't we do this last week? Allen got 90% of the votes when I looked. "Everyone" doesn't agree with you ... it's much closer to the opposite.

You know the term "owning real estate in someone's head" ... well look for the deeds ... cause it seems to be happening.



Joe Harris is not a scrub ... he's a very very good shooter. Is Joe Harris an above-average playmaker? Is Joe Harris above average with his handle ... at driving to the basket ... finishing at the rim? Is Joe Harris great at setting screens or snagging offensive rebounds?

Joe Harris provides reasonable perimeter defense. Does Joe Harris protect the rim? Box out behemoths? Does he use his blazing speed to ride dribblers to the baseline?

Joe Harris is a type of player who other people refer to as "3 and D". He's a good 3 and D, but that seems to be about it. Seth Curry is his approximate equal. Seth Curry basically got played off the floor last night by the Raptors bench when he was one of Brooklyn's top offensive options. He's short with a limited handle and can't get his shot off against a long pressing defense. Like Joe, he's great when he's all alone at the arc. Still someone has to draw the defense for him.

Jarret Allen is one of the best defensive anchors in the league. He's one of the best rebounders. You would need to shoot better than 50% from 3 to match his efficiency down near the rim. If you want to play winning basketball, you need a Jarret Allen type of player ... there are few really good ones. There's lots of 3 and D guys like Joe.

It's supply and demand.

[Hello Brooklyn]

You’re not obsessed and yet you put my quote in your sig. You don’t get to make that complaint. And that comparison doesn’t apply here because everyone knows that isn’t what you were talking about.

But thanks for demonstrating you have a little bit of self awareness. I guess even you know that most people would take Allen because… you know, basketball logic.

That is what I said. You just have trouble understanding basic things. Not my fault.

No most people would not take Allen. Shooting is more valuable in the modern NBA.

Its not that hard to understand. Traditional Centers are not that important in the playoffs. Everyone seems to know this except you.

So, I get this is some sort of running feud ... but really!

Didn't we do this last week? Allen got 90% of the votes when I looked. "Everyone" doesn't agree with you ... it's much closer to the opposite.

You know the term "owning real estate in someone's head" ... well look for the deeds ... cause it seems to be happening.



Joe Harris is not a scrub ... he's a very very good shooter. Is Joe Harris an above-average playmaker? Is Joe Harris above average with his handle ... at driving to the basket ... finishing at the rim? Is Joe Harris great at setting screens or snagging offensive rebounds?

Joe Harris provides reasonable perimeter defense. Does Joe Harris protect the rim? Box out behemoths? Does he use his blazing speed to ride dribblers to the baseline?

Joe Harris is a type of player who other people refer to as "3 and D". He's a good 3 and D, but that seems to be about it. Seth Curry is his approximate equal. Seth Curry basically got played off the floor last night by the Raptors bench when he was one of Brooklyn's top offensive options. He's short with a limited handle and can't get his shot off against a long pressing defense. Like Joe, he's great when he's all alone at the arc. Still someone has to draw the defense for him.

Jarret Allen is one of the best defensive anchors in the league. He's one of the best rebounders. You would need to shoot better than 50% from 3 to match his efficiency down near the rim. If you want to play winning basketball, you need a Jarret Allen type of player ... there are few really good ones. There's lots of 3 and D guys like Joe.

It's supply and demand.

Allen is the better player.

All I said is that he would have equal value to the Nets.

The Nets need spacing in their starting lineup. They would not be able to play Simmons and Allen together. Wouldn't work.

I also do think traditional centers are not as valuable in the playoffs. As we have seen with Rudy Gobert year after year. Who essentially does everything at a higher level than Allen.

[drchaos]

As I said before the trade saved LeVert's life.

Even if he has more value than Curry, no trade means no LeVert.

Right now Allen is productive while Ben Simmons has yet to play a game this year.

I would say that Simmons has more upside but is clearly a bigger risk.

If Simmons ends up being the better player when he comes back the Nets won't really miss the draft capital.

How the Sixers avoided tampering charges is beyond me.

[dygaction]

Kidding aside, I was flabbergasted by all of the "experts" saying the Nets won this trade. Huh? You obviously have to take in account what they gave up 12 months ago to get Harden. They literally gave up an All Star in Jarrett Allen.

The only thing I actually liked from the Nets perspective was getting Seth Curry in the deal. He's a really good piece.

They could have had a lineup of

C - Allen
PF - Durant
SF - Harris
SG - LeVert
PG - Irving

These GM's need to stop gutting their teams for big names. It's just not working out. Bubble Lakers is an outlier but now we're seeing how bad of an idea that's turned out to be.

As opposed to?

C-Drummond
PF-Durant
SF-Harris
SG-Curry
PG- Irving

I'm not really getting the point youre trying to make.

Levert would not fit well at all. Hes a poor shooter, bad defender, constantly injured and his iso play would not work with KD/Kyrie.

Curry is far better suited to play with them as an elite shooter.

And Simmons is just far better than Allen. Hes can guard 1-5, is a good passer, and can run the break.

This avoids the fact that Harden is one of the greatest players in NBA history. And if you have a chance to trade for him you do it.

Were supposed to not do it because of Jarrett Allen? Comon now.

Curry/Irving/Harris, wouldn't that the worst backcourt defense imaginable coming playoff time?

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kidding aside, I was flabbergasted by all of the "experts" saying the Nets won this trade. Huh? You obviously have to take in account what they gave up 12 months ago to get Harden. They literally gave up an All Star in Jarrett Allen.

The only thing I actually liked from the Nets perspective was getting Seth Curry in the deal. He's a really good piece.

They could have had a lineup of

C - Allen
PF - Durant
SF - Harris
SG - LeVert
PG - Irving

These GM's need to stop gutting their teams for big names. It's just not working out. Bubble Lakers is an outlier but now we're seeing how bad of an idea that's turned out to be.

As opposed to?

C-Drummond
PF-Durant
SF-Harris
SG-Curry
PG- Irving

I'm not really getting the point youre trying to make.

Levert would not fit well at all. Hes a poor shooter, bad defender, constantly injured and his iso play would not work with KD/Kyrie.

Curry is far better suited to play with them as an elite shooter.

And Simmons is just far better than Allen. Hes can guard 1-5, is a good passer, and can run the break.

This avoids the fact that Harden is one of the greatest players in NBA history. And if you have a chance to trade for him you do it.

Were supposed to not do it because of Jarrett Allen? Comon now.

Curry/Irving/Harris, wouldn't that the worst backcourt defense imaginable coming playoff time?

I somehow forgot to include Simmons as someone else pointed out.

My mistake.

[Snotbubbles]

As I said before the trade saved LeVert's life.

Even if he has more value than Curry, no trade means no LeVert.

Right now Allen is productive while Ben Simmons has yet to play a game this year.

I would say that Simmons has more upside but is clearly a bigger risk.

If Simmons ends up being the better player when he comes back the Nets won't really miss the draft capital.

How the Sixers avoided tampering charges is beyond me.

I don't think Simmons has much more upside. He is what he is at this point which is a really good, but flawed player.

[DonaldSanders]

Can't wait for all the hot take reactionary threads in the future about this, such as:

- Simmons returns and the Nets have a hot streak, and then it's time to talk about how the 76ers got fleeced
- Harden has a minor short term injury and there is a giant meltdown about James
- The Nets have a few bad games after their hot streak and then it's back to the Nets got fleeced.

Truth is we won't know until 2 years from now.

[LloydFree]

Kidding aside, I was flabbergasted by all of the "experts" saying the Nets won this trade. Huh? You obviously have to take in account what they gave up 12 months ago to get Harden. They literally gave up an All Star in Jarrett Allen.

The only thing I actually liked from the Nets perspective was getting Seth Curry in the deal. He's a really good piece.

They could have had a lineup of

C - Allen
PF - Durant
SF - Harris
SG - LeVert
PG - Irving

These GM's need to stop gutting their teams for big names. It's just not working out. Bubble Lakers is an outlier but now we're seeing how bad of an idea that's turned out to be.

As opposed to?

C-Drummond
PF-Durant
SF-Harris
SG-Curry
PG- Irving

I'm not really getting the point youre trying to make.

Levert would not fit well at all. Hes a poor shooter, bad defender, constantly injured and his iso play would not work with KD/Kyrie.

Curry is far better suited to play with them as an elite shooter.

And Simmons is just far better than Allen. Hes can guard 1-5, is a good passer, and can run the break.

This avoids the fact that Harden is one of the greatest players in NBA history. And if you have a chance to trade for him you do it.

Were supposed to not do it because of Jarrett Allen? Comon now.

Curry/Irving/Harris, wouldn't that the worst backcourt defense imaginable coming playoff time?

Didn't you hear? Simmons is going to shut down the entire opposing team...

[Snotbubbles]

Can't wait for all the hot take reactionary threads in the future about this, such as:

- Simmons returns and the Nets have a hot streak, and then it's time to talk about how the 76ers got fleeced
- Harden has a minor short term injury and there is a giant meltdown about James
- The Nets have a few bad games after their hot streak and then it's back to the Nets got fleeced.

Truth is we won't know until 2 years from now.

I don't need two years to tell you the Sixers came out as winners. Simmons wasn't going to play for them again so they got the best player they possibly could for him (and a player I think is better than Simmons). That's a win. You can't predict injuries and to concern yourself with the possibility that a player can get injured is a waste of time.

[Hello Brooklyn]

As opposed to?

C-Drummond
PF-Durant
SF-Harris
SG-Curry
PG- Irving

I'm not really getting the point youre trying to make.

Levert would not fit well at all. Hes a poor shooter, bad defender, constantly injured and his iso play would not work with KD/Kyrie.

Curry is far better suited to play with them as an elite shooter.

And Simmons is just far better than Allen. Hes can guard 1-5, is a good passer, and can run the break.

This avoids the fact that Harden is one of the greatest players in NBA history. And if you have a chance to trade for him you do it.

Were supposed to not do it because of Jarrett Allen? Comon now.

Curry/Irving/Harris, wouldn't that the worst backcourt defense imaginable coming playoff time?

Didn't you hear? Simmons is going to shut down entire opposing team...

Simmons, Durant, Drummond are all plus defenders. Harris is average.

What are you even talking about?

[Johnny Bball]

Lost the Harden trade, then won the 2nd Harden trade.

[Johnny Bball]

Can't wait for all the hot take reactionary threads in the future about this, such as:

- Simmons returns and the Nets have a hot streak, and then it's time to talk about how the 76ers got fleeced
- Harden has a minor short term injury and there is a giant meltdown about James
- The Nets have a few bad games after their hot streak and then it's back to the Nets got fleeced.

Truth is we won't know until 2 years from now.

I wont wait, they got fleeced.

[TheLand13]

You’re not obsessed and yet you put my quote in your sig. You don’t get to make that complaint. And that comparison doesn’t apply here because everyone knows that isn’t what you were talking about.

But thanks for demonstrating you have a little bit of self awareness. I guess even you know that most people would take Allen because… you know, basketball logic.

That is what I said. You just have trouble understanding basic things. Not my fault.

No most people would not take Allen. Shooting is more valuable in the modern NBA.

Its not that hard to understand. Traditional Centers are not that important in the playoffs. Everyone seems to know this except you.

So, I get this is some sort of running feud ... but really!

Didn't we do this last week? Allen got 90% of the votes when I looked. "Everyone" doesn't agree with you ... it's much closer to the opposite.

You know the term "owning real estate in someone's head" ... well look for the deeds ... cause it seems to be happening.



Joe Harris is not a scrub ... he's a very very good shooter. Is Joe Harris an above-average playmaker? Is Joe Harris above average with his handle ... at driving to the basket ... finishing at the rim? Is Joe Harris great at setting screens or snagging offensive rebounds?

Joe Harris provides reasonable perimeter defense. Does Joe Harris protect the rim? Box out behemoths? Does he use his blazing speed to ride dribblers to the baseline?

Joe Harris is a type of player who other people refer to as "3 and D". He's a good 3 and D, but that seems to be about it. Seth Curry is his approximate equal. Seth Curry basically got played off the floor last night by the Raptors bench when he was one of Brooklyn's top offensive options. He's short with a limited handle and can't get his shot off against a long pressing defense. Like Joe, he's great when he's all alone at the arc. Still someone has to draw the defense for him.

Jarret Allen is one of the best defensive anchors in the league. He's one of the best rebounders. You would need to shoot better than 50% from 3 to match his efficiency down near the rim. If you want to play winning basketball, you need a Jarret Allen type of player ... there are few really good ones. There's lots of 3 and D guys like Joe.

It's supply and demand.

[RoyceDa59]

Wait until all the dust settles.

The Nets when everyone is back playing are absolutely stacked. New York vaccine mandate is said to be lifted March 7th.

Ben Simmons brings a versatility defensively that the Nets have never had.

Seth Curry is the best shooter in the NBA after his brother.

Drummond is a fantastic backup big.

Nets are downright stacked and should be favorites to win it all if everyone is playing.

[kuclas]

Wait until all the dust settles.

The Nets when everyone is back playing are absolutely stacked. New York vaccine mandate is said to be lifted March 7th.

Ben Simmons brings a versatility defensively that the Nets have never had.

Seth Curry is the best shooter in the NBA after his brother.

Drummond is a fantastic backup big.

Nets are downright stacked and should be favorites to win it all if everyone is playing.

I agree. Nets are extremely dangerous. They were in first place or second place before KD went down. With harden about to start dogging it. And Kyrie barely playing up to that point

It will be a weird dynamic however. Because Kd plus Irving wasn’t a jugganut before Harden came on board last Jan 2021. Nets were only 16-12 before harden came last season.

So I think they need to get some games in from Simmons to adjust. I just don’t know when Simmons actually wants to play. It’s gonna to be after march 10 since he wants to avoid having to play in Philadelphia. So they got 12-15 games to try to get it together.

[F N 11]

I think a good Simmons is important. Watch him play fast with Brooklyn

[DonaldSanders]

Wait until all the dust settles.

The Nets when everyone is back playing are absolutely stacked. New York vaccine mandate is said to be lifted March 7th.

Ben Simmons brings a versatility defensively that the Nets have never had.

Seth Curry is the best shooter in the NBA after his brother.

Drummond is a fantastic backup big.

Nets are downright stacked and should be favorites to win it all if everyone is playing.

Now now, you're not allowed to inject sanity in hot take threads involving Ben Simmons & James Harden.