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Post#161 » by G R E Y » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:21 am

imagump1313 wrote:Called it!!!!! I knew Mr Klutch Walker would run to the Lakers ASAP. Good luck to you! LOL

lol yep he didn't have a care in the world this RFA period. Wonder how long that's been waiting there?

Considering our QO was $6.2M and he signed a one year $6.5M deal it's probably about even given the taxes in Cali, and then probably less given the cost of living. But he's betting on himself and I think a different environment will hopefully be good for him. Wish him well. Glad we're moving on. Wonder what the cap space will be use for.
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Post#162 » by G R E Y » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:25 am

So speaking of our ongoing transactions:

OUT

- DJ

- Jock

- Lonnie

IN

- 2023 top-16 first round pick

- 2025 unprotected first round pick

- 2026 unprotected first round pick swap

- 2027 unprotected first round pick

- Gallo's cap space

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Post#163 » by Milenkovic » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:41 am

When did Jock get included in the DJM deal?
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Post#164 » by imagump1313 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:59 am

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imagump1313 wrote:Called it!!!!! I knew Mr Klutch Walker would run to the Lakers ASAP. Good luck to you! LOL

lol yep he didn't have a care in the world this RFA period. Wonder how long that's been waiting there?

Considering our QO was $6.2M and he signed a one year $6.5M deal it's probably about even given the taxes in Cali, and then probably less given the cost of living. But he's betting on himself and I think a different environment will hopefully be good for him. Wish him well. Glad we're moving on. Wonder what the cap space will be use for.


Can't wait until the **** Laker fans get a look at him flailing layup after layup and turning the ball over like crazy. And his defense? LMAO!

They are going to tear him up worse than Danny Green.
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Post#165 » by G R E Y » Fri Jul 1, 2022 1:02 am

Milenkovic wrote:When did Jock get included in the DJM deal?

Earlier today. There was about a $46K difference in the financials to make it work. Sad to see him go. Really liked him and I hope he gets some more minutes in Atlanta.
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Post#166 » by Ballings7 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 2:13 am

So long to Lonnie ... off to the Lakers

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267697/Lonnie-Walker-IV-Lakers-Agree-To-One-Year-$65M-Deal

Surprised he went there, but, being a Klutch guy and Lakers hungry for wings, kind of makes sense.

Don't really care too much since the rivlary isn't really what it was and won't be for who knows how long, and plus Lonnie just wasn't going to be a fit in the plans with the other wings - but, always still a bit brow-raising to see a former Spur go to the Lakers.

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Post#167 » by SD2042 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:14 am

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DoItALL9 wrote:Much interest in signing DeAndre Ayton to a four year max to see if Phoenix will match?

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Speaking of Ayton, I wonder if he's interested in signing with the Spurs after just trading away DJM thus going further ahead with the rebuilding process.

Well the bettors dropped us to fifth best chance of landing him despite being pretty much the only team that still has max cap space. Not sure either side sees a fit now. We're reportedly up to third best chance in landing Portis if the Bucks don't re-sign him but they will.

Yeah a whirlwind day so hard to focus on which transactions could be on the horizon. I expect Lonnie gone as well and it would be just like us to throw 19-year-old Primo at PG but I think we'll address the position - I wonder if Tre's brother Tyus would like to come over?

We have lots of manageable contracts and some good players that contenders may want. We have lots of cap space we could charge more picks to absorb.



I had a feeling that Portis would re-up with the Bucks. They liked him too much not to let him go. Especially after his role in the 2021 champ run with the Bucks.

As for Lonnie being exiled from the Spurs. That didn't surprise me. I get the reasons why Lonnie was drafted by the Spurs. However, between the injuries, his development and issues of consistency, it all lead up to Lonnie's departure from the Spurs. I wish him the best of luck and hope that he will find a role with a team that best suits him well. Hopefully he will learn to improve his skills set as his career progresses over time.

To Ayton, if the Spurs can get a hold of Ayton, the move will be a great move for the Spurs and helps improve the front court on both ends. Perhaps the Spurs could help utilize Ayton's game more beyond lob passes and putbacks as he done with the Suns.

To Primo, I'm interested to see what he will bring at the PG position since it seems to be the Spurs intentions. Will it work, I have no idea.

As for Tyus, he signed a two year deal to return to the Grizzlies. A solid deal for him. I believe he has what it takes to be a potential starter for a team with the way he controls the tempo of the game when he's leading the way. Plus he has a great assist/turnover ratio. That always help. Your team has Tre, who is as good as Tyus is. He just needs more seasoning with his development. Just like Tyus's path started, Tre's with the Spurs is on the developmental level. So as Long as the Spurs take their time and develop this guy, he may turn out to be as good as his brother is now.
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Post#168 » by G R E Y » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:39 am

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Speaking of Ayton, I wonder if he's interested in signing with the Spurs after just trading away DJM thus going further ahead with the rebuilding process.

Well the bettors dropped us to fifth best chance of landing him despite being pretty much the only team that still has max cap space. Not sure either side sees a fit now. We're reportedly up to third best chance in landing Portis if the Bucks don't re-sign him but they will.

Yeah a whirlwind day so hard to focus on which transactions could be on the horizon. I expect Lonnie gone as well and it would be just like us to throw 19-year-old Primo at PG but I think we'll address the position - I wonder if Tre's brother Tyus would like to come over?

We have lots of manageable contracts and some good players that contenders may want. We have lots of cap space we could charge more picks to absorb.



I had a feeling that Portis would re-up with the Bucks. They liked him too much not to let him go. Especially after his role in the 2021 champ run with the Bucks.

As for Lonnie being exiled from the Spurs. That didn't surprise me. I get the reasons why Lonnie was drafted by the Spurs. However, between the injuries, his development and issues of consistency, it all lead up to Lonnie's departure from the Spurs. I wish him the best of luck and hope that he will find a role with a team that best suits him well. Hopefully he will learn to improve his skills set as his career progresses over time.

To Ayton, if the Spurs can get a hold of Ayton, the move will be a great move for the Spurs and helps improve the front court on both ends. Perhaps the Spurs could help utilize Ayton's game more beyond lob passes and putbacks as he done with the Suns.

To Primo, I'm interested to see what he will bring at the PG position since it seems to be the Spurs intentions. Will it work, I have no idea.

As for Tyus, he signed a two year deal to return to the Grizzlies. A solid deal for him. I believe he has what it takes to be a potential starter for a team with the way he controls the tempo of the game when he's leading the way. Plus he has a great assist/turnover ratio. That always help. Your team has Tre, who is as good as Tyus is. He just needs more seasoning with his development. Just like Tyus's path started, Tre's with the Spurs is on the developmental level. So as Long as the Spurs take their time and develop this guy, he may turn out to be as good as his brother is now.

Yeah I'm happy for Lonnie and for us, frankly. Some fans were critical about not getting anything back for the asset but it may have required some sort of trading scenario with LAL and that wasn't happening lol so we pulled the QO (well not for that reason specifically, I'm just joking, but for whatever reasons, we parted cleanly).

Too bad about Tyus. Congrats on him and Ja. That's a good deal for Tyus for a back-up PG who has filled in well as starter when needed. Any idea about filling Kyle's role for your team?

Feels like we need to address the PG position even with Tre and Primo in the fold.

Not sure about Ayton. We have max cap space. Feels like if we wanted him we could have done it already. Maybe we're considering it? But given our direction I'm not convinced he's the type of player you max out. But we'll see. Would he want to go to a team deep in development now? I wonder how much the direction shift is affecting our FA efforts...

But it also feels like there are other dominoes that must fall given the crazy Nets news. So perhaps we had designs on him and there are various deals swirling around.
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G R E Y wrote:Well the bettors dropped us to fifth best chance of landing him despite being pretty much the only team that still has max cap space. Not sure either side sees a fit now. We're reportedly up to third best chance in landing Portis if the Bucks don't re-sign him but they will.

Yeah a whirlwind day so hard to focus on which transactions could be on the horizon. I expect Lonnie gone as well and it would be just like us to throw 19-year-old Primo at PG but I think we'll address the position - I wonder if Tre's brother Tyus would like to come over?

We have lots of manageable contracts and some good players that contenders may want. We have lots of cap space we could charge more picks to absorb.



I had a feeling that Portis would re-up with the Bucks. They liked him too much not to let him go. Especially after his role in the 2021 champ run with the Bucks.

As for Lonnie being exiled from the Spurs. That didn't surprise me. I get the reasons why Lonnie was drafted by the Spurs. However, between the injuries, his development and issues of consistency, it all lead up to Lonnie's departure from the Spurs. I wish him the best of luck and hope that he will find a role with a team that best suits him well. Hopefully he will learn to improve his skills set as his career progresses over time.

To Ayton, if the Spurs can get a hold of Ayton, the move will be a great move for the Spurs and helps improve the front court on both ends. Perhaps the Spurs could help utilize Ayton's game more beyond lob passes and putbacks as he done with the Suns.

To Primo, I'm interested to see what he will bring at the PG position since it seems to be the Spurs intentions. Will it work, I have no idea.

As for Tyus, he signed a two year deal to return to the Grizzlies. A solid deal for him. I believe he has what it takes to be a potential starter for a team with the way he controls the tempo of the game when he's leading the way. Plus he has a great assist/turnover ratio. That always help. Your team has Tre, who is as good as Tyus is. He just needs more seasoning with his development. Just like Tyus's path started, Tre's with the Spurs is on the developmental level. So as Long as the Spurs take their time and develop this guy, he may turn out to be as good as his brother is now.

Yeah I'm happy for Lonnie and for us, frankly. Some fans were critical about not getting anything back for the asset but it may have required some sort of trading scenario with LAL and that wasn't happening lol so we pulled the QO (well not for that reason specifically, I'm just joking, but for whatever reasons, we parted cleanly).

Too bad about Tyus. Congrats on him and Ja. That's a good deal for Tyus for a back-up PG who has filled in well as starter when needed. Any idea about filling Kyle's role for your team?

Feels like we need to address the PG position even with Tre and Primo in the fold.

Not sure about Ayton. We have max cap space. Feels like if we wanted him we could have done it already. Maybe we're considering it? But given our direction I'm not convinced he's the type of player you max out. But we'll see. Would he want to go to a team deep in development now? I wonder how much the direction shift is affecting our FA efforts...

But it also feels like there are other dominoes that must fall given the crazy Nets news. So perhaps we had designs on him and there are various deals swirling around.



To Kyle's role on the team, unless his former role is going to one of the rookies they drafted, it's pure speculation on my end. With the news of KD requesting a trade now, it's possible that Ayton could be routed to the Nets as the Suns was named a destination by KD himself. If that case is to happen, I wonder if Ayton would rather be a Spur or a Net in this scenario?
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Post#171 » by Baphomet » Fri Jul 1, 2022 8:57 pm

G R E Y wrote:Oh. Hmm... Interesting.

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Interesting indeed. I suppose my thoughts on this are contingent on what he means by "as soon as possible". Certainly not next season or even the season after, we don't have the assets just yet. To me, the Murray trade signals that we're embarking on the Sam Presti path of stockpiling draft picks for the next couple of seasons. With that in mind, and the lack of true difference-makers on the FA market this year, our cap space would probably be better served facilitating trades elsewhere, absorbing contracts and acquiring young assets and draft capital in the process. I like the young pieces we have so far with Primo, Devin, Keldon, Sochan, and the other draftees. I think we all anticipate more moves once the carnage in Brooklyn settles down.

Ayton is okay, but I'm not sure if he fits the timeline of this team. His addition would likely keep the Spurs as a fringe play-in team, and picking in the mid-late lottery.
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Post#172 » by imagump1313 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:25 pm

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G R E Y wrote:Oh. Hmm... Interesting.

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Interesting indeed. I suppose my thoughts on this are contingent on what he means by "as soon as possible". Certainly not next season or even the season after, we don't have the assets just yet. To me, the Murray trade signals that we're embarking on the Sam Presti path of stockpiling draft picks for the next couple of seasons. With that in mind, and the lack of true difference-makers on the FA market this year, our cap space would probably be better served facilitating trades elsewhere, absorbing contracts and acquiring young assets and draft capital in the process. I like the young pieces we have so far with Primo, Devin, Keldon, Sochan, and the other draftees. I think we all anticipate more moves once the carnage in Brooklyn settles down.

Ayton is okay, but I'm not sure if he fits the timeline of this team. His addition would likely keep the Spurs as a fringe play-in team, and picking in the mid-late lottery.


What else is Wright going to say honestly?

Ayton would have been good if we were trying to be a playoff team but not now. No one who is going to win games for us needs to be on this team next season. (guess thats good news for McDermott!!) I imagine that might change if we somehow get another lottery pick but as of now our own pick has the best chance of being the highest.
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Post#173 » by G R E Y » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:59 pm

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G R E Y wrote:Oh. Hmm... Interesting.

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Interesting indeed. I suppose my thoughts on this are contingent on what he means by "as soon as possible". Certainly not next season or even the season after, we don't have the assets just yet. To me, the Murray trade signals that we're embarking on the Sam Presti path of stockpiling draft picks for the next couple of seasons. With that in mind, and the lack of true difference-makers on the FA market this year, our cap space would probably be better served facilitating trades elsewhere, absorbing contracts and acquiring young assets and draft capital in the process. I like the young pieces we have so far with Primo, Devin, Keldon, Sochan, and the other draftees. I think we all anticipate more moves once the carnage in Brooklyn settles down.

Ayton is okay, but I'm not sure if he fits the timeline of this team. His addition would likely keep the Spurs as a fringe play-in team, and picking in the mid-late lottery.

Yeah I think it's within the new post-DJ context now, and that's fine for not going after Ayton. We worked to get the flexibility to go either younger or more win-now.

I thought we'd go the speeding up development route with all the cap space and the 50th Anniversary and to better fit DJ's timeline, but we foresaw two years into the future, got some feedback from DJ, and pivoted quickly.

Side note: I don't love DJ's ATL presser where he said Spurs didn't want to see him 'waste' years rebuilding. It truly was in mutual interest if he didn't want to be here for it. We had no guarantee in two years he'd re-sign, and waiting until then would have meant far more limited return.

With us parting with four go-to scoring vets before last season, DJ truly got an opportunity to showcase his game. If it was inflated and got us a bigger package, great for both sides. But with us winning 34 games and a huge contract for him looming, even if he wanted to stay, I doubt the thought of DJ at $42M/yr in his late 20s was where we wanted to be. That's franchise-level difference maker on a contender money. And if anything we learned that's not what DJ is. He goes to a team where he's not the best player. So the whole 'working too hard' 'wants to win at all costs' thing coupled with the mutually beneficial trade is tacit acknowledgement that he's not that guy. Fine.

But short-term it is a hit to the locker room. Guys spoke of the impact DJ had but also of having something to compete for by the end of the season. Selling guys like Keldon and Devin on a rebuild at first may be kind of deflating so I think we have to be careful about an OKC model where they sat guys to lose.

From post-practice interviews you can glean that we'll be playing an altered, more egalitarian style with truly more ball sharing. I don't think it's a coincidence that we saw the #1 and #2 usage players in DJ and Lonnie move on. With Keldon at #3, the Klutch trifecta sometimes looked off open team mates. It started to stand out.

With DJ the last player connected to playing with the Big 3, it's truly a reset and a pure instilling of The Spurs Way with more experienced players getting more space for their games to blossom, with younger players learning foundations of our system, and without player agendas seeping in.

If we trade some other players for future assets at some point and use our cap space to absorb contracts for more assets this season, it's fine. But we can't do that for like three years. It's harder to attract good talent in FA, it's disheartening to the players, and we can't afford attendance in the the bottom five after being mostly in the top ten for decades.

With the new multi-use practice facility being completed, assets, and cap space, I expect a quicker turn around even with the hard reset and clean young rebuild.
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Post#174 » by Baphomet » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:16 pm

imagump1313 wrote:What else is Wright going to say honestly?

Ayton would have been good if we were trying to be a playoff team but not now. No one who is going to win games for us needs to be on this team next season. (guess thats good news for McDermott!!) I imagine that might change if we somehow get another lottery pick but as of now our own pick has the best chance of being the highest.


By all means, I agree, there's not much else he can say. "We're probably gonna be bad for a while, so buckle up" isn't the most encouraging of mantras, so I understand that. I also get that the idea of being a lower order team can be unpalatable to fans, so we have to be sold on the idea of a fast rebuild with an eye towards contending again quickly. The reality is that, short of our picks being absolute home runs, this is likely going to be a long and bumpy journey back to the top for the Spurs.

I'm excited to see what our next move will be. I'm also ready for tank commander Dougie, should that be the case. :lol:
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Post#175 » by Baphomet » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:01 pm

G R E Y wrote:Yeah I think it's within the new post-DJ context now, and that's fine for not going after Ayton. We worked to get the flexibility to go either younger or more win-now.

I thought we'd go the speeding up development route what with all the cap space and the 50th Anniversary and to better fit DJ's timeline, but we foresaw two years into the future, got some feedback from DJ, and pivoted quickly.

Side note: I don't love DJ's ATL presser where he said Spurs didn't want to see him 'waste' years rebuilding. It truly was in mutual interest if he didn't want to be here for it so we had no guarantee in two years he'd re-sign, at which point what we got back for him would have been far more limited.

With us parting with four go-to scoring vets before last season, DJ truly got an opportunity to showcase his game. If it was inflated and got us a bigger package, great for both sides. But with us winning 34 games and a huge contract for him looming, even if he wanted to stay, I doubt the thought of DJ at $42M/yr in his late 20s was where we wanted to be. That's franchise-level on a contender money. And if anything we learned that's not what DJ is. He goes to a team where he's not the best player. So the whole 'working too hard' 'wants to win at all costs' thing coupled with the mutually beneficial trade is tacit acknowledgement that he's not that guy. Fine.

But short-term it is a hit to the locker room. Guys spoke of the impact DJ had but also of having something to compete for by the end of the season. Selling guys like Keldon and Devin on a rebuild at first may be kind of deflating so I think we have to be careful about an OKC model where they sat guys to lose.

From post-practice interviews you can glean that we'll be playing an altered, more egalitarian style with truly more ball sharing. I don't think it's a coincidence that we saw the #1 and #1 usage players in DJ and Lonnie move on. With Keldon at #3, the Klutch trifecta sometimes looked off open team mates. It started to stand out.

With DJ the last player connected to playing with the Big 3, it's truly a reset and sort of a pure instilling of The Spurs Way with more experienced players getting more space for their games to blossom, with younger players learning foundations of our system, and without player agendas seeping in.

If we trade some other players for future assets at some point and use our cap space to absorb contracts for more assets this season, it's fine. But we can't do that for like three years. It's harder to attract good talent in FA. It's disheartening to the players, and we can't afford attendance in the the bottom five after being mostly in the top ten for decades.

With the new multi-use practice facility being completed, assets, cap space, I expect a quicker turn around even with the hard reset and clean rebuild.


Oh, for sure. I wouldn't want to quite go to the extremes that OKC has either as their tanking antics have been straight up embarrassing at times. This franchise also has a proud lineage of winning and making playoff runs, so it's an even harder sell to the fans. It's a precarious balancing act as, like you said, losing for too long can become a problem on a number of levels and be culturally damaging to a team and its players, but unfortunately I feel like being a smaller market team necessitates some variation of this approach, and I feel like it's been coming.

However, as you noted, we're very well positioned to begin. We haven't made any desperation moves, and have a ton of flexibility going forward. Hopefully you're right and the turnaround will be quick.

On another sidenote, I actually live very close to where Jeremy Sochan played basketball in England, for the MK Trojans. In a sense, he's flying the flag for UK basketball. Exciting times afoot.
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Post#176 » by imagump1313 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:08 pm

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imagump1313 wrote:What else is Wright going to say honestly?

Ayton would have been good if we were trying to be a playoff team but not now. No one who is going to win games for us needs to be on this team next season. (guess thats good news for McDermott!!) I imagine that might change if we somehow get another lottery pick but as of now our own pick has the best chance of being the highest.


By all means, I agree, there's not much else he can say. "We're probably gonna be bad for a while, so buckle up" isn't the most encouraging of mantras, so I understand that. I also get that the idea of being a lower order team can be unpalatable to fans, so we have to be sold on the idea of a fast rebuild with an eye towards contending again quickly. The reality is that, short of our picks being absolute home runs, this is likely going to be a long and bumpy journey back to the top for the Spurs.

I'm excited to see what our next move will be. I'm also ready for tank commander Dougie, should that be the case. :lol:


I'm glad we finally seem to have decided upon a direction and stopped being the Indiana Pacers. I was really getting discouraged spinning our wheels and looking at the FA market this year. There was no way for us to be anything but a 30-40 win team
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Post#177 » by imagump1313 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:20 pm

Grey will be happy to know I hope McDermott starts and plays 40 minutes a night next season :lol: :lol:
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Post#178 » by Milenkovic » Sat Jul 2, 2022 1:22 am

I know the Spurs are usually quiet, but this is getting ridiculous in terms of any FA
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Re: 2022 SPURS OFF-SEASON ROSTER NEWS, RUMOURS & TRADE IDEAS 

Post#179 » by imagump1313 » Sat Jul 2, 2022 3:15 am

Milenkovic wrote:I know the Spurs are usually quiet, but this is getting ridiculous in terms of any FA


I don't think they are going to do anything FA-wise this summer now....

The goal is the #1 pick.
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Re: 2022 SPURS OFF-SEASON ROSTER NEWS, RUMOURS & TRADE IDEAS 

Post#180 » by Phreak50 » Sat Jul 2, 2022 6:40 am

Might sound silly but we really could offer Ayton a max.

He is only 23.

Bigs develop slower.

His peak could match that of our youngsters and even Frenchie should we land him (who won't be a centre).

Starting Ayton 82 games with out roster will still give us the same shot at top pick and a potential backup plan should the picks not fall in our favour.

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