Summer 2023 Trade Thread

Post #161 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Fri May 12, 2023 5:10 am

I suppose no less or more serious than suggesting Simons is comparable to a young Hall of Fame player or that someone would trade the number two pick in this draft for him.

Case2012 · Post #162 » by **Case2012** » Fri May 12, 2023 5:20 am

Giannis and Dame have both publicly expressed interest in playing together and even training together which Giannis famously doesn't do with other stars, including LeBron. It's not that crazy. They're both loyal guys with similar mindsets who have an admiration for each other. If we get the number one pick we should offer it for Giannis. I'd add Sharpe and Simons without hesitation. I'd want to get our pick back from Chicago and to use for other upgrades though. I'd add maybe 2 more firsts since they'll be late anyways. I don't think Grant is a reliable 3rd option so I'd let him walk and try to sign a Draymond or trade for OG.

Dame
Thybulle
Og
Giannis
Lopez? Love? Anyone but Nurkic basically.

Fill out the roster with vet minimum guys. Winslow, a 6th man scorer type. A hustle guy, a lunch box guy like Eubanks. Need to look at the free agents but we would be contenders with a Dame Giannis core for the next 3-4 years imo.

Post #163 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Fri May 12, 2023 5:37 am

Norm2953 wrote:There have got to be some soul searching in Phoenix for they gave up a ton of draft picks/ players
to get KD and are about to lose to the Nuggets.

Something to think about with these win now moves for if it fails, it will cripple the franchise.

I'm not gonna go in on the Suns just yet, so what I am about to write isn't about them. I think you gotta have more than half a season with a player to consider it a decent effort, almost always the first time is needed to figure some things out and a second or third time is when you are more likely to put it together.

But in general - because there are like 3 or 4 other teams that gave up a ton of future picks who are already out of the playoffs - if you go all-in on the wrong move then you are going to spend 4-8 years with a team that has little future that is even more depressing than our current situation. And who is to say there is always a "right" move out there, I swear historically it seems like big trades fail more often than pay off.

I think a lot of people just want to make an all in move to make a move and don't consider that by far the most likely outcome of a drastic move like that is a worse situation to be in as a fan. It sounds good for next year but living with that fate as a pretender for the next half a decade could be torture.

I don't quote Cuban often but he was right that the wrong move is far worse than no move at all. I personally don't think the right move is out there at the moment, and that we very likely may have just already missed our window with Lillard. So do we succumb to the sunk cost fallacy and trade our future because that is what is expected of us, or do we continue to be smart about building the team and hoping that by some miracle we get a last shot at the right move?

Case2012 · Post #164 » by **Case2012** » Fri May 12, 2023 5:42 am

Naw, what was torture was watching Lillard waste his prime with that idiot Olshey running the franchise. I'd rather be a pretender than hoping we make the right picks for the next 5 years with the hope to get back to where we are now with a top 10 player still in his prime with assets to make an all in move. We could trade Lillard and be the next kings or magic or wolves or even Knicks. We have to go for it. If it doesn't work out, then we trade what we have and get picked and young players then. I'd rather suck for a few years after legitimately trying to win than reset after sucking already the last few years. I'm tired of losing. I don't understand what's wrong with everyone, trading Lillard is non sense, he just had his best season..

Norm2953 · Post #165 » by **Norm2953** » Fri May 12, 2023 7:13 am

Historically, all the championship contending teams for Portland have involved adding pieces over
a period of years before a move is made to get the team over the top.

The Walton teams added the Larry Steele's and Lloyd Neals via the draft and drafted Bill Walton
and Lionel Hollins. They hit the jackpot in adding Lucas and might not have dropped off if they
had only kept Moses Malone.

The Drexler years tried the quick fix move but did take their time in adding pieces like Kersey and
TP before they traded for Buck Williams.

The Sheed teams added pieces but did stupid things in the quick fix by the infamous Shawn Kemp
trade.

Nobody knows how far the 2007 Blazers would have got with Roy, LA and Oden.

Even Dame's 2014 team made small trades that brought Wesley Matthews and the team drafted
LA, Nic,

It just seems to me the smarter and safer course of action would be to add another solid piece
to a team built around Sharpe. Portland is in year two of their rebuild and will make some
progress next season if the team just addresses what the team need, according to their coaches.
The teams return to the playoffs will happen when Sharpe is playing at an all-star level. Team
just has too many holes for a win now move.

GEE · Post #166 » by **GEE** » Fri May 12, 2023 7:30 am

You are correct, Linares did have an incredible season. And with that his trade value has skyrocketed from where it was 6 months ago. I also believe there's a healthy market for Dame now, with how the playoffs are shaking out. The Bucks, Suns, Nets, the loser of Philly and Boston... I think they all may inquire along with some others. Multiple buyers = a potential bidding war for Dame Dolla, which will mean a great return.

DusterBuster · Post #167 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat May 13, 2023 4:05 am

If Blazers go the “all in around Dame” route, I seriously think Ayton ends up in Portland this summer. Something around Nurkic and Simons for Ayton and Craig.

PDXKnight · Post #168 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat May 13, 2023 4:37 am

DusterBuster wrote:If Blazers go the “all in around Dame” route, I seriously think Ayton ends up in Portland this summer. Something around Nurkic and Simons for Ayton and Craig.

Ayton seems overrated I'd rather it be siakum but that chucklehead gm will probably demand 5o firsts :lol:

DusterBuster · Post #169 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat May 13, 2023 4:46 am

PDXKnight wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:If Blazers go the “all in around Dame” route, I seriously think Ayton ends up in Portland this summer. Something around Nurkic and Simons for Ayton and Craig.

Ayton seems overrated I'd rather it be siakum but that chucklehead gm will probably demand 5o firsts

I’m not an Ayton fan either. He’s so clearly not engaged. Just another Whiteside if you ask me. But… Ayton and the Blazers have been connected in the past in rumors and they seem pretty determined to move on from Nurkic this summer… if they can do that, keep their lottery pick and maybe make Dame happy enough with Ayton, I think they do it. If the Blazers draft Walker, resign Grant, make that move, they have this starting lineup:

Dame
Sharpe
Thybulle
Grant
Ayton

With Craig and Walker off the bench.

GEE · Post #170 » by **GEE** » Sat May 13, 2023 4:56 am

One would need to really like Ayton and believe he's THE GUY, in order to make that move. Not because of Simons (A deal breaker for me), but because Ayton is like twice as expensive as Nurkic, and I''m not certain he is an upgrade, especially if both players are healthy.

I think the Suns will likely inquire about Dame at some point, hoping we'd be into trading him with Nurkic for Ayton and Paul. Hopefully not happening, but Dame was seen courtside at Bookers game just a few nights back.

Post #171 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Sat May 13, 2023 5:18 am

I think Ayton is disengaged because of the coaching. I'd like to see him under a new coach. I think he has some untapped potential still. I don't think he's world-changing but I do think he's still young and could use a good leader. I don't know if he's been under good leadership in Phoenix in terms of other players. I'm not a big fan of Chris Paul as a leader, but that's just me.

m0ng0 · Post #172 » by **m0ng0** » Sat May 13, 2023 5:31 am

Nonononono f*** NO!!!! Dude is a cancer, he does not even come close to putting us over the top!!! Dude could not win with Durant, Paul and Booker, he is a coach killer and a lazy POS...IMO of course.

zzaj · Post #173 » by **zzaj** » Sat May 13, 2023 5:48 am

I was initially interested in some kind of Nurkic/Ayton swap, mostly because he fits in better with Sharpe in terms of age if the Blazers end up building around Shaedon...but I've cooled on the idea.

I think C is going to end up being addressed by lotto balls, long term. Probably next year. There just aren't enough good players that will fit well with where the Blazers are at, currently in the FA market or really in the NBA. If Nurkic goes, then it'll likely be C by committee again. Actually, given his recent injury track record, it'll likely be that same committee if he stays.

Wizenheimer · Post #174 » by **Wizenheimer** » Sat May 13, 2023 6:09 am

any team that is stupid enough to pay Ayton 34M/year deserves to fail.

DusterBuster · Post #175 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat May 13, 2023 6:29 am

Wizenheimer wrote:any team that is stupid enough to pay Ayton 34M/year deserves to fail.

I feel like this is underselling the Blazers FO capacity for stupidity.

DusterBuster · Post #176 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat May 13, 2023 6:30 am

zzaj wrote:I was initially interested in some kind of Nurkic/Ayton swap, mostly because he fits in better with Sharpe in terms of age if the Blazers end up building around Shaedon...but I've cooled on the idea.

I think C is going to end up being addressed by lotto balls, long term. Probably next year. There just aren't enough good players that will fit well with where the Blazers are at, currently in the FA market or really in the NBA. If Nurkic goes, then it'll likely be C by committee again. Actually, given his recent injury track record, it'll likely be that same committee if he stays.

I like this thinking.

DusterBuster · Post #177 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat May 13, 2023 6:33 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:I think Ayton is disengaged because of the coaching. I'd like to see him under a new coach. I think he has some untapped potential still. I don't think he's world-changing but I do think he's still young and could use a good leader. I don't know if he's been under good leadership in Phoenix in terms of other players. I'm not a big fan of Chris Paul as a leader, but that's just me.

He definitely doesn’t like Monty, but I believe that’s because of his effort level. He’s **** lazy and Monty - former Blazers assistant who helped Dame coming up - was probably pushing him to give an effort and work to his potential but has given up on him.

Post #178 » by **The Sebastian Express** » Sat May 13, 2023 6:37 am

DusterBuster wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:I think Ayton is disengaged because of the coaching. I'd like to see him under a new coach. I think he has some untapped potential still. I don't think he's world-changing but I do think he's still young and could use a good leader. I don't know if he's been under good leadership in Phoenix in terms of other players. I'm not a big fan of Chris Paul as a leader, but that's just me.

He definitely doesn’t like Monty, but I believe that’s because of his effort level. He’s **** lazy and Monty - former Blazers assistant who helped Dame coming up - was probably pushing him to give an effort and work to his potential but has given up on him.

When did he help Dame?

tester551 · Post #179 » by **tester551** » Sat May 13, 2023 6:44 am

DusterBuster wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:I think Ayton is disengaged because of the coaching. I'd like to see him under a new coach. I think he has some untapped potential still. I don't think he's world-changing but I do think he's still young and could use a good leader. I don't know if he's been under good leadership in Phoenix in terms of other players. I'm not a big fan of Chris Paul as a leader, but that's just me.

He definitely doesn’t like Monty, but I believe that’s because of his effort level. He’s **** lazy and Monty - former Blazers assistant who helped Dame coming up - was probably pushing him to give an effort and work to his potential but has given up on him.

100% correct.

It's not just an Ayton/Monty issue. Ayton showed the same lazy tenancies in college. He has all the physical tools to dominate. He just doesn't have the fire.

DusterBuster · Post #180 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat May 13, 2023 7:08 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:I think Ayton is disengaged because of the coaching. I'd like to see him under a new coach. I think he has some untapped potential still. I don't think he's world-changing but I do think he's still young and could use a good leader. I don't know if he's been under good leadership in Phoenix in terms of other players. I'm not a big fan of Chris Paul as a leader, but that's just me.

He definitely doesn’t like Monty, but I believe that’s because of his effort level. He’s **** lazy and Monty - former Blazers assistant who helped Dame coming up - was probably pushing him to give an effort and work to his potential but has given up on him.

When did he help Dame?

You’re right, I was thinking Roy and Aldridge since he was an assistant from 06-10. Which still holds my point valid. He’s old school in expecting guys to be professionals. Ayton does not show that quality.