Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[Stanford]

Lauri for two firsts is insane. There are 29 teams that would do that.

[FireMorey]

Scoop B isn't a real insider

[sixers hoops]

Lauri for two firsts is insane. There are 29 teams that would do that.

Yeah. It’s like he doesn’t follow the NBA. Worse players with worse contracts have gotten a larger return. This doesn’t make any sense.

[mjkvol]

Scoop B isn't a real insider

And I'd bet anything he isn't a friend of Marc Jackson either.

[ProcessDoctor]

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[MVP1992]

With Embiid, PG, Maxey being the core & supporting cast.

My only hope this season is that the young guys who show promise don't get buried on the bench all season or only brought in for a few minutes at a time sporadically.

For development reasons, I'd prefer to forgo win loss ratio during the regular season, and prioritise development.

Did Maxey develop in leaps and bounds whilst being considered trade bait for lillard or lowry?

Get Council, Bona etc meaningful minutes throughout the season.
Even if it means playing these guys for half the game so they can get into rhythm and not feel the nervous pressure associated with effing up and getting benched.

Or pick the 4 young talents and give them 1 full quarter per game.

Possibly sacrifice some results in the short term, but gain reliability & playability by play-offs.

[NearingZero]

With Embiid, PG, Maxey being the core & supporting cast.

My only hope this season is that the young guys who show promise don't get buried on the bench all season or only brought in for a few minutes at a time sporadically.

For development reasons, I'd prefer to forgo win loss ratio during the regular season, and prioritise development.

Did Maxey develop in leaps and bounds whilst being considered trade bait for lillard or lowry?

Get Council, Bona etc meaningful minutes throughout the season.
Even if it means playing these guys for half the game so they can get into rhythm and not feel the nervous pressure associated with effing up and getting benched.

Or pick the 4 young talents and give them 1 full quarter per game.

Possibly sacrifice some results in the short term, but gain reliability & playability by play-offs.

If Embiid & PG stay pretty healthy, I want the 1 or 2 seed.

Until KJ is traded, there should be real minutes available for Council to prove himself. For Bona, I think it's premature to give him meaningful minutes when Embiid plays. Even so, he's the 3rd center by default, so he should get a chance when Embiid sits.

McCain is the tough one to figure out since I'm not sure what role they envision for him. My guess is he ends up buried on the depth chart.

[zaz102]

With Embiid, PG, Maxey being the core & supporting cast.

My only hope this season is that the young guys who show promise don't get buried on the bench all season or only brought in for a few minutes at a time sporadically.

For development reasons, I'd prefer to forgo win loss ratio during the regular season, and prioritise development.

Did Maxey develop in leaps and bounds whilst being considered trade bait for lillard or lowry?

Get Council, Bona etc meaningful minutes throughout the season.
Even if it means playing these guys for half the game so they can get into rhythm and not feel the nervous pressure associated with effing up and getting benched.

Or pick the 4 young talents and give them 1 full quarter per game.

Possibly sacrifice some results in the short term, but gain reliability & playability by play-offs.

If Embiid & PG stay pretty healthy, I want the 1 or 2 seed.

Until KJ is traded, there should be real minutes available for Council to prove himself. For Bona, I think it's premature to give him meaningful minutes when Embiid plays. Even so, he's the 3rd center by default, so he should get a chance when Embiid sits.

McCain is the tough one to figure out since I'm not sure what role they envision for him. My guess is he ends up buried on the depth chart.

I think the top 5 and Drummond will get their usual minutes per last year's numbers-

Embiid (34) / Drummond (14)
George (34) & Martin (27)
Maxey (38) & Oubre (30)


That leaves 63 minutes left. If Gordon and Lowry get similar minutes as last year, we are looking at-

Gordon (28)
Lowry (28)


That leaves 7 minutes left. Note this doesnt include the other two roster spots or the player they end up trading KJ for. I think in order for the other guys to get time, the vets will need to be struggling/resting or they need to put teams away early. I'm sure both will happen during the season, but the young guys will really need to step up to get their chances. I think for all of them is pretty easy-

For Ricky and McCain (and KJ), hit your shots, play OK defense, and dont be a bonehead. For Bona, be the energy big without committing too many fouls. If they are able to do so, they're time will increase.

But if we're being realistic, there really is not a lot of time on this team for young guys and they will probably have even more talent on the roster come playoff time.

[NearingZero]

Spoiler:

With Embiid, PG, Maxey being the core & supporting cast.

My only hope this season is that the young guys who show promise don't get buried on the bench all season or only brought in for a few minutes at a time sporadically.

For development reasons, I'd prefer to forgo win loss ratio during the regular season, and prioritise development.

Did Maxey develop in leaps and bounds whilst being considered trade bait for lillard or lowry?

Get Council, Bona etc meaningful minutes throughout the season.
Even if it means playing these guys for half the game so they can get into rhythm and not feel the nervous pressure associated with effing up and getting benched.

Or pick the 4 young talents and give them 1 full quarter per game.

Possibly sacrifice some results in the short term, but gain reliability & playability by play-offs.

If Embiid & PG stay pretty healthy, I want the 1 or 2 seed.

Until KJ is traded, there should be real minutes available for Council to prove himself. For Bona, I think it's premature to give him meaningful minutes when Embiid plays. Even so, he's the 3rd center by default, so he should get a chance when Embiid sits.

McCain is the tough one to figure out since I'm not sure what role they envision for him. My guess is he ends up buried on the depth chart.

I think the top 5 and Drummond will get their usual minutes per last year's numbers-

Embiid (34) / Drummond (14)
George (34) & Martin (27)
Maxey (38) & Oubre (30)


That leaves 63 minutes left. If Gordon and Lowry get similar minutes as last year, we are looking at-

Gordon (28)
Lowry (28)


That leaves 7 minutes left. Note this doesnt include the other two roster spots or the player they end up trading KJ for. I think in order for the other guys to get time, the vets will need to be struggling/resting or they need to put teams away early. I'm sure both will happen during the season, but the young guys will really need to step up to get their chances. I think for all of them is pretty easy-

For Ricky and McCain (and KJ), hit your shots, play OK defense, and dont be a bonehead. For Bona, be the energy big without committing too many fouls. If they are able to do so, they're time will increase.

But if we're being realistic, there really is not a lot of time on this team for young guys and they will probably have even more talent on the roster come playoff time.

I don't expect Lowry + Gordon to get 50+ minutes combined on a regular basis. More like 40. That leaves enough for Council & one more signing to see regular minutes.

Although I think Nurse has a reputation for going with a shorter rotation, so maybe I'm wrong. I'd like to see them go 10-deep most nights (assuming one more solid signing).

[mjkvol]

Unless there is another impactful signing or the KJ trade nets a solid rotation piece, I'd be kind of surprised if Council doesn't get some early run and a shot at a rotation spot based on his play this summer. He has clearly stood out on the SL team and earned at least a real good look in camp.

[LloydFree]

Unless there is another impactful signing or the KJ trade nets a solid rotation piece, I'd be kind of surprised if Council doesn't get some early run and a shot at a rotation spot based on his play this summer. He has clearly stood out on the SL team and earned at least a real good look in camp.

Ricky Council stood out in comparison to other players on our Summer League team, but he wasn't that great. He was okay, he wasn't great. Being honest about what he did: He scored 20 a few times and had two good shooting games in Summer League.

To put that into perspective, KJ Martin, who people dismiss as a possible contributor, has scored a 30 point performance and grabbed 10 Rebounds in actual NBA games, and is only 1 year older than Ricky Council.

[mjkvol]

Unless there is another impactful signing or the KJ trade nets a solid rotation piece, I'd be kind of surprised if Council doesn't get some early run and a shot at a rotation spot based on his play this summer. He has clearly stood out on the SL team and earned at least a real good look in camp.

Ricky Council stood out in comparison to other players on our Summer League team, but he wasn't that great. He was okay, he wad great. Being honest about what he did: He scored 20 a few times and had two good shooting games in Summer League.

To put that into perspective, KJ Martin, who people dismiss as a possible contributor, has scored a 30 point performance and grabbed 10 Rebounds in actual NBA games, and is only 1 year older than Ricky Council.

It's not just the SL performances, but the fact that he flashed potential and a lot of energy in real game situations last season. No guarantees or predictions, just a thought that he has earned a shot at a rotation spot.

[Iverson Armband]

Lowry specifically better not be getting anywhere close to 30mpg on this team.

[ProcessDoctor]

As things stand I would predict:


Maxey(34)/Lowry(14)
Caleb(28)/Gordon(20)
Oubre(30)/Council(18)
George(32)/KJ(16)
Embiid(32)/Drummond(16)


The last 2 signings will likely be veteran forwards to compete with Council and KJ for minutes. Eventually, whoever we trade KJ for should soak up a decent role to take even more pressure off our starting 5.

[Monix]

Council and KJ both give them interesting, athletic depth options around the primary wings (Oubre, Martin, George).

Hopefully they buy into roles where they defend their ass off, crash the boards and sprint the floor looking for transition buckets.

[youngcrev]

As things stand I would predict:


Maxey(34)/Lowry(14)
Caleb(28)/Gordon(20)
Oubre(30)/Council(18)
George(32)/KJ(16)
Embiid(32)/Drummond(16)


The last 2 signings will likely be veteran forwards to compete with Council and KJ for minutes. Eventually, whoever we trade KJ for should soak up a decent role to take even more pressure off our starting 5.

This looks sort of correct in a world where you only play guys at a single position (with the slight change that they seem to be outwardly putting out that Oubre is the 2, George is the 3, and Martin is the 4, but that's basically meaningless).

I imagine Lowry and Gordon see more minutes than that, and KJ and Council see less, and McCain probably squeaks in there. I'm guessing see some 3 guard lineups, and that Martin/Oubre/George will eat up the majority of the minutes and the 3 and the 4, even if one of them gets slotted as a 2 with the starters.

[Sixerscan]

The averages will go up and down, but I'm guessing for like a close rested healthy TNT game against the Celtics you could do something like

Embiid and Drummond 48 combined
Maxey 40
George 38
Martin and Oubre 70 combined
Lowry 20
Gordon 14
Random forward X 10

That's 240 minutes across 9 guys

You could play 10 if you want but that's more for when you have awkward fits in your rotation (like when Ben couldn't play with Dwight) or a Danny Green/PJ Tucker type "starter" who generally never plays above 30 minutes. Outside of the centers pretty much everyone can play with everyone here. Maybe Martin can't go max effort playing much above 30 but I think they'll at least try to see if he can.

Really with it being Nurse I could see him cutting out Gordon or the forward and going with 8 at times.

[zaz102]

Spoiler:

If Embiid & PG stay pretty healthy, I want the 1 or 2 seed.

Until KJ is traded, there should be real minutes available for Council to prove himself. For Bona, I think it's premature to give him meaningful minutes when Embiid plays. Even so, he's the 3rd center by default, so he should get a chance when Embiid sits.

McCain is the tough one to figure out since I'm not sure what role they envision for him. My guess is he ends up buried on the depth chart.

I think the top 5 and Drummond will get their usual minutes per last year's numbers-

Embiid (34) / Drummond (14)
George (34) & Martin (27)
Maxey (38) & Oubre (30)


That leaves 63 minutes left. If Gordon and Lowry get similar minutes as last year, we are looking at-

Gordon (28)
Lowry (28)


That leaves 7 minutes left. Note this doesnt include the other two roster spots or the player they end up trading KJ for. I think in order for the other guys to get time, the vets will need to be struggling/resting or they need to put teams away early. I'm sure both will happen during the season, but the young guys will really need to step up to get their chances. I think for all of them is pretty easy-

For Ricky and McCain (and KJ), hit your shots, play OK defense, and dont be a bonehead. For Bona, be the energy big without committing too many fouls. If they are able to do so, they're time will increase.

But if we're being realistic, there really is not a lot of time on this team for young guys and they will probably have even more talent on the roster come playoff time.

I don't expect Lowry + Gordon to get 50+ minutes combined on a regular basis. More like 40. That leaves enough for Council & one more signing to see regular minutes.

Although I think Nurse has a reputation for going with a shorter rotation, so maybe I'm wrong. I'd like to see them go 10-deep most nights (assuming one more solid signing).

We all thought Lowry wouldn't get those minutes either and he ended up averaging 29 minutes in the playoffs. I think both Gordon and Lowry will be playing more minute than people think (20+).

Also, we're still not counting the two other roster spots or whoever they end up trading KJ for. So even we end up cutting Gordon's and Lowry's time in half, that gives you about 35 minutes for 7 players.

I imagine the player that KJ is traded for is going to be a legit player and it's possible that one of the Vet Min slots or a Buy out market player might be a legit player as well that mill get most of that time. Let's say they get 25 mins.

Player traded for KJ (15)
Vet Min Vet/Buy Out Market Player (10)

That leaves 10 mins for the rest.
Vet Min Vet
Vet Min Vet
RC4
McCain
Bona

I just don't see a world where the young guys are going to get legitimate burn outside of when the vets are resting, injured or garbage time. They'll really have to make the best out of that time to impress and beat out the vets listed above.

[ProcessDoctor]

The averages will go up and down, but I'm guessing for like a close rested healthy TNT game against the Celtics you could do something like

Embiid and Drummond 48 combined
Maxey 40
George 38
Martin and Oubre 70 combined
Lowry 20
Gordon 14
Random forward X 10

That's 240 minutes across 9 guys

You could play 10 if you want but that's more for when you have awkward fits in your rotation (like when Ben couldn't play with Dwight) or a Danny Green/PJ Tucker type "starter" who generally never plays above 30 minutes. Outside of the centers pretty much everyone can play with everyone here. Maybe Martin can't go max effort playing much above 30 but I think they'll at least try to see if he can.

Really with it being Nurse I could see him cutting out Gordon or the forward and going with 8 at times.

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[ProcessDoctor]

As things stand I would predict:


Maxey(34)/Lowry(14)
Caleb(28)/Gordon(20)
Oubre(30)/Council(18)
George(32)/KJ(16)
Embiid(32)/Drummond(16)


The last 2 signings will likely be veteran forwards to compete with Council and KJ for minutes. Eventually, whoever we trade KJ for should soak up a decent role to take even more pressure off our starting 5.

This looks sort of correct in a world where you only play guys at a single position (with the slight change that they seem to be outwardly putting out that Oubre is the 2, George is the 3, and Martin is the 4, but that's basically meaningless).

I imagine Lowry and Gordon see more minutes than that, and KJ and Council see less, and McCain probably squeaks in there. I'm guessing see some 3 guard lineups, and that Martin/Oubre/George will eat up the majority of the minutes and the 3 and the 4, even if one of them gets slotted as a 2 with the starters.

Yea the positions are just placeholders. Tough to predict the minutes for KJ and Council but I'd rather do that than overwhelm the big 3, given what we're trying to accomplish in the post-season. I think it's crucial we turn KJ into a big forward who can play 24-28 MPG.