The Official Utah Jazz-Related Stuff 2024-2025 Thread

[AingesBurner]

It's official, the Jazz ends the season with the worst record in the league, executing a masterful tank job. My congratulations and respect to all involved and especially the front office for finally picking a direction and going for it.

Finally cleansing ourselves of the Dennis Lindsey years.

[Inigo Montoya]

It's official, the Jazz ends the season with the worst record in the league, executing a masterful tank job. My congratulations and respect to all involved and especially the front office for finally picking a direction and going for it.

Finally cleansing ourselves of the Dennis Lindsey years.

The cleanse will not be complete until we are free from that pick we owe OKC and moved on from Clarkson, who is that last remnant of the Lindsey era.

[AingesBurner]

It's official, the Jazz ends the season with the worst record in the league, executing a masterful tank job. My congratulations and respect to all involved and especially the front office for finally picking a direction and going for it.

Finally cleansing ourselves of the Dennis Lindsey years.

The cleanse will not be complete until we are free from that pick we owe OKC and moved on from Clarkson, who is that last remnant of the Lindsey era.

Ainge did extend him so I can’t fully pin that on DL. The OKC pick is still egregious.

[Inigo Montoya]

Thanks to the Wizards winning the final game of the season on a buzzer beater, today has become quite insignificant so much so that perhaps most people (myself included) forgot it even exists. I'm talking, of course, about the NBA draft tie breaker event. Here is a breakdown of how it went for the Jazz:

https://kslsports.com/nba/utah-jazz/nba-draft-tiebreaker-jazz/546043

[Catchall]

It's too soon to write something like this, but I'm bored and probably will anyway...

I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyonte might get traded within the next year. The reason is mainly that I think another team will value him more than the Jazz. If the Jazz add Ace Bailey, VJ Edgecombe, Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel with a top-5 pick, it's very likely that this player will be starting at the 2-guard within a couple months. Isaiah Collier has already shown that he's a better pure PG than Keyonte. Hence, Keyonte will be coming off the bench and will likely see his minutes reduced somewhat compared to years past. Also, a year from now, he'll be looking for an extension and may want a 9-figure contract similar to Anferee Simons. If the Jazz don't want to offer this type of deal, the Jazz might let him go before this contract standoff begins and might hurt Keyonte's trade value.

I could see several teams being interested in Keyonte as a starter, including the Orlando Magic.

[Catchall]

Are there any Cody Williams highlights this year? Yes, in fact there are...

Watch on YouTube

[bkohler]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyonte might get traded within the next year.

Ben Anderson (KSL) on his podcast shared the same sentiment yesterday. I think Keyonte is in that no man’s land between being good enough to be extended without hesitation and bad enough or humble enough to take an extension that makes sense. We talked about him like a star when he’s probably a sixth man, but I’m not convinced he knows that.

[Catchall]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyonte might get traded within the next year.

Ben Anderson (KSL) on his podcast shared the same sentiment yesterday. I think Keyonte is in that no man’s land between being good enough to be extended without hesitation and bad enough or humble enough to take an extension that makes sense. We talked about him like a star when he’s probably a sixth man, but I’m not convinced he knows that.

I think he's capable of starting, but his usage and role need to be kept in check. If you look at the Clippers team that beat the Jazz in the playoffs a few years back, they started Reggie Jackson at the 1, while they ran their offense through Kawhi and Paul George. Keyonte could play that Reggie Jackson-type role.

[bkohler]

Oh Key definitely has the talent to play the Reggie Jackson role, but it took him nearly ten years and 3 teams for Jackson to settle into that role. I think it’s a good possibility it takes Keyonte a similar time and path.

[Inigo Montoya]

I forget if it was already reported, but apparently the Jazz declined an offer from the Lakers of a first round pick and two swaps for Kessler:

"The Jazz don't have any desire to trade Walker [Kessler] whatsoever," Jones said. "So if they end up trading Walker, it's going to be for something they would be a fool to say no to."

Jones noted that Los Angeles previously made a push for Kessler at this year's deadline, and even put together a better package than a first-round pick and two first-round swaps, though he didn't dive into the specifics of the complete offer. If anything, it shows just how highly the Jazz value Kessler for their future plans, and have no intentions to ship him anywhere else, barring any unforeseen changes.

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/utah-jazz-insider-shuts-down-lakers-walker-kessler-hopes

[AingesBurner]

I forget if it was already reported, but apparently the Jazz declined an offer from the Lakers of a first round pick and two swaps for Kessler:

"The Jazz don't have any desire to trade Walker [Kessler] whatsoever," Jones said. "So if they end up trading Walker, it's going to be for something they would be a fool to say no to."

Jones noted that Los Angeles previously made a push for Kessler at this year's deadline, and even put together a better package than a first-round pick and two first-round swaps, though he didn't dive into the specifics of the complete offer. If anything, it shows just how highly the Jazz value Kessler for their future plans, and have no intentions to ship him anywhere else, barring any unforeseen changes.

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/utah-jazz-insider-shuts-down-lakers-walker-kessler-hopes

Yeah, good on Danny.

[Gert42]

Yep any deals for Kessler involving future picks are a lot less appealing with the Lakers once Luka got there.

[Inigo Montoya]

Jazz, Will Hardy Agree To Six-Year Extension
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280287/Jazz-Will-Hardy-Agree-To-Six-Year-Extension

Watch on YouTube

[red4hf]

Six years is a pretty long time....... Let's hope Hardy and Danny build a contender.......

[bkohler]

Heard it in two different podcasts this week: Rumor is Spurs reached out to try and hire Hardy, hence the extension.

[bkohler]

I’m so unbelievably down right now as a Jazz fan. I knew this was the most likely scenario and I’d be fine if it weren’t for those three teams getting the picks. I don’t think that the lottery is rigged but I do think it’s broken. That fact makes me pessimistic for the near future.

[babyjax13]

I’m so unbelievably down right now as a Jazz fan. I knew this was the most likely scenario and I’d be fine if it weren’t for those three teams getting the picks. I don’t think that the lottery is rigged but I do think it’s broken. That fact makes me pessimistic for the near future.

I agree. They made the mistake assuming that flattening the odds would dissuade tanking, but it is just going to lead to teams tanking longer because the talent pool isn't deep enough to have more than 6-7 teams that can contend. The incentive is for teams to collect young players so they can be next in that rotation, and when you have teams that can't get free agents they are shut out from contending without drafting extremely well. Most of the time this means getting a high draft pick, or having a lucky swing at a player when you are already good (e.g. getting Mitchell). Now great teams that have poor injury luck have a much better chance of moving from 11 to 1.

[bkohler]

Yep! It’s going to make a class system in the NBA we’re those that can compete for players outside of the draft have a huge advantage over those that can’t because there’s no way for those that can’t to get significant enough improvement of odds to make it matter.

If your team isn’t one that players sign with or force a trade to you’re in for a bumpy ride for the next few years. I think teams like the Magic, Bucks, Grizzlies, and Kings are all going to eventually be stuck down here with the Wiz/Hornets/Jazz/Raptors. Unless things change you’ll see some of them rise for a bit while they get a superstar, but sustained success long term is unlikely unless something changes.


I guess I use to think that good management would lead to a good team the majority of the time. I’m not sure the odds being the way it is, the CBA being the way it is, and the power disparities between the markets being what it is make that true anymore.

If you can’t keep the guys you draft and players don’t hit free agency anymore then what do you do?

Also, I try not to clap back at people on here but I’m just so annoyed at the general population and their opinion on the Jazz tanking. It’s so quickly forgotten that the Jazz tried to sign Paul George and trade for more help. They tried to pivot towards competing already. Then when that didn’t work they did exactly what they’re incentivized to do.

[Inigo Montoya]

I still think the Jazz can get a good player at 5. Before the draft, I thought that if the Jazz select 4th they'd still get a nice player if the went with Tre Johnson, and it is very possible he could be there at 5. I also think the Spurs could trade their pick or move back a few spots so the Jazz may have a chance to move up. I can't see the Spurs drafting Harper when they have Fox and Castle, it doesn't make much sense. So they'd either draft Bailey at 2, trade down, or trade out in a package for a star (or they trade either Fox or Castle and draft Harper).

Point being, I think there's a chance for the Jazz to move up, and if not, I'd still be pretty happy if they end up with Tre Johnson at 5.

[AingesBurner]

Demin is making waves at the combine. Call me crazy but if he looks legit, I’d trade back and get a pick for next year.