Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

[Dan Z]

I’ve been thinking about best trade packages for Milwaukee. A sneaky one would be to Okc after they win the championship. Trade for their rotation players who would probably start on half the nba teams.


iheart
wallace
Wiggins
Topic
JWill (not dub)

That team alone would probably be a mid playoff team in the east.

They could also throw in a bevy of picks of course.

And the capper would be they include the best assistant coach in the deal so they can play Okc ball east:

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Wiggins (Shai role)
Wallace (Dort role)
Topic (JDub/giddy role)
JWill (Chet role)

Too much for Giannis. Thunder can likely get KD for two players and a few picks.

Role players and picks are too much for Giannis? What are the picks?

[Bernman]

Would the Bucks be able to trade for Holiday? I would think the Bucks would prefer to keep Giannis and if they could bring back Holiday they would help them a lot.

I feel like part of the meeting will be catering to Giannis' whims, which is usually stuff like that, working out an s&t for James "1 of the best to ever do it" Harden, or keeping Doc; cuz we've seen how good of a GM Giannis is when he's gotten to pick his teams at the All-Star game.

[phanman]

If I'm the Bucks, there is absolutely no scenario where I trade away Giannis unless the other team gives up a god father offer. He's under contract for at least 2 more seasons and even if they won't be contenders, he is what makes the team relevant. There is more to running an organization that just the on court production, you have to consider the economic impact he brings as well. Giannis doesn't seem like the type of superstar to go the Butler route to get what he wants and I would be willing to call his bluff if it heads in that direction.

Never should have signed that loyalty extension. Enjoy the next 2 years when price is reasonable

"Loyalty extension", when the Bucks had traded for Lillard, and went into that season as betting co-favorites for the title, after winning it 2 seasons earlier. Loyalty extension my foot.

I guess dame was leading that fairly tale team to WCF regularly.

They wanted a name instead of going for actual on court production.

Just because the pairing didn't work as many of us envisioned, it doesn't mean it was a bad move. Pairing a superstar like Dame next to Giannis is as it gets for a co-mate not name Curry. Especially coming off that monster individual season Dame had in his last year in Portland.

[Beethoven]

Giannis to the Lakers for Knect Rui AR Vando and few picks..

Do it Mitch

[Pointgod]

They're not all swaps.

New Orleans owns a 2026 swap and then has the 2027 pick.

Portland has a 2028 swap, they own the 2029 pick and 2030 is a swap.

Thank you for clarifying. It’s the height of stupidity to go into a rebuild if you don’t own all of your picks. No Giannis, no depth and Dame out means that the Bucks will be a bad team in the short term at least if they don’t trade for immediate help.

That's why I think they need to get New Orleans involved.

Either way a Giannis trade needs to give them a glimmer of hope going forward.

Yeah I see the Pelicans as a dark horse trade destination and I at least see one of Blazers or Pelicans being involved in a Giannis trade if both parties ever get there.

[basketballRob]

Thank you for clarifying. It’s the height of stupidity to go into a rebuild if you don’t own all of your picks. No Giannis, no depth and Dame out means that the Bucks will be a bad team in the short term at least if they don’t trade for immediate help.

That's why I think they need to get New Orleans involved.

Either way a Giannis trade needs to give them a glimmer of hope going forward.

Yeah I see the Pelicans as a dark horse trade destination and I at least see one of Blazers or Pelicans being involved in a Giannis trade if both parties ever get there.

New Orleans probably wouldn't be on his list. He's already said he likes a tax-free state and enjoys Florida cities. So it's between Miami and Orlando. Orlando has like 9 tradeable first round picks and 11 second round picks.

I think Booker fits the Magic better if they decide to go all in.

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[Dan Z]

Thank you for clarifying. It’s the height of stupidity to go into a rebuild if you don’t own all of your picks. No Giannis, no depth and Dame out means that the Bucks will be a bad team in the short term at least if they don’t trade for immediate help.

That's why I think they need to get New Orleans involved.

Either way a Giannis trade needs to give them a glimmer of hope going forward.

Yeah I see the Pelicans as a dark horse trade destination and I at least see one of Blazers or Pelicans being involved in a Giannis trade if both parties ever get there.

If New Orleans is smart they'll get a team to overpay for that pick and swap.

As for Portland I wouldn't overpay for what they have. If the Bucks are bad the next two years then they'll have two lottery picks to go with whatever else is on their roster. It's possible that they'll start trending up at that point.

Plus, they might have picks from other teams during the years that Portland owns their picks/swaps. For example a Phoenix or Dallas pick from Houston.

[John Murdoch]

Why would Utah be interested in a 36 year old Lillard?

Because their half a decade tank has got them no where

You think an old player (coming off a major injury) is the answer?

Not the sole answer but if you surround him with defense similar to Brunsons Knicks i think he still has some juice tbh

[Dan Z]

That's why I think they need to get New Orleans involved.

Either way a Giannis trade needs to give them a glimmer of hope going forward.

Yeah I see the Pelicans as a dark horse trade destination and I at least see one of Blazers or Pelicans being involved in a Giannis trade if both parties ever get there.

New Orleans probably wouldn't be on his list. He's already said he likes a tax-free state and enjoys Florida cities. So it's between Miami and Orlando. Orlando has like 9 tradeable first round picks and 11 second round picks.

I think Booker fits the Magic better if they decide to go all in.

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Where did you get 9 from? It looks like Orlando has 4 first round picks they can trade plus swaps. 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2032.

I'm not sure how good those picks will be for Milwaukee since Giannis on Orlando is a good team. What would you offer the Bucks for him?

[basketballRob]

Giannis likes Florida cities, wants to stay in the east, and wants a tax-free state.

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[basketballRob]

Yeah I see the Pelicans as a dark horse trade destination and I at least see one of Blazers or Pelicans being involved in a Giannis trade if both parties ever get there.

New Orleans probably wouldn't be on his list. He's already said he likes a tax-free state and enjoys Florida cities. So it's between Miami and Orlando. Orlando has like 9 tradeable first round picks and 11 second round picks.

I think Booker fits the Magic better if they decide to go all in.

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Where did you get 9 from? It looks like Orlando has 4 first round picks they can trade plus swaps. 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2032.

I'm not sure how good those picks will be for Milwaukee since Giannis on Orlando is a good team. What would you offer the Bucks for him?

Suggs, fillers, and 4 first round picks. The Magic could trade a pick this season, also.

The fillers would probably be Isaac and Cole.

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[Dan Z]

Because their half a decade tank has got them no where

You think an old player (coming off a major injury) is the answer?

Not the sole answer but if you surround him with defense similar to Brunsons Knicks i think he still has some juice tbh

Let's say he still is good for a year. After that his contract is up...does Utah pay him? Keep in mind he'll be 37 years old at that point.

[John Murdoch]

You think an old player (coming off a major injury) is the answer?

Not the sole answer but if you surround him with defense similar to Brunsons Knicks i think he still has some juice tbh

Let's say he still is good for a year. After that his contract is up...does Utah pay him? Keep in mind he'll be 37 years old at that point.

Fair enough, i mean if im Utah id rather have a season of Dame over Sexton/late frp. Massive expiring if it fails, if it works might be able to get a discount plus he thrives in small markets (weeber state/portland)

[Dan Z]

Not the sole answer but if you surround him with defense similar to Brunsons Knicks i think he still has some juice tbh

Let's say he still is good for a year. After that his contract is up...does Utah pay him? Keep in mind he'll be 37 years old at that point.

Fair enough, i mean if im Utah id rather have a season of Dame over Sexton/late frp. Massive expiring if it fails, if it works might be able to get a discount plus he thrives in small markets (weeber state/portland)

The other issue is his current salary. I don't know if insurance pays it, but if they don't...will the Jazz owner be willing to pay 54 million for a year of rehab? Then 58 million the following year (when he should be back).

[sfernald]

I’ve been thinking about best trade packages for Milwaukee. A sneaky one would be to Okc after they win the championship. Trade for their rotation players who would probably start on half the nba teams.


iheart
wallace
Wiggins
Topic
JWill (not dub)

That team alone would probably be a mid playoff team in the east.

They could also throw in a bevy of picks of course.

And the capper would be they include the best assistant coach in the deal so they can play Okc ball east:

Iheart
Wiggins (Shai role)
Wallace (Dort role)
Topic (JDub/giddy role)
JWill (Chet role)

Too much for Giannis. Thunder can likely get KD for two players and a few picks.

Role players and picks are too much for Giannis? What are the picks?

I would do
2025 #15
2026 Phil (1-4 protected)
2027 Denv (1-5 protected)
2029 Denv (1-5 protected)


That should be enough.

[Dan Z]

New Orleans probably wouldn't be on his list. He's already said he likes a tax-free state and enjoys Florida cities. So it's between Miami and Orlando. Orlando has like 9 tradeable first round picks and 11 second round picks.

I think Booker fits the Magic better if they decide to go all in.

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Where did you get 9 from? It looks like Orlando has 4 first round picks they can trade plus swaps. 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2032.

I'm not sure how good those picks will be for Milwaukee since Giannis on Orlando is a good team. What would you offer the Bucks for him?

Suggs, fillers, and 4 first round picks. The Magic could trade a pick this season, also.

The fillers would probably be Isaac and Cole.

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That leaves Milwaukee with Lillard (injured...most likely won't be back for a year), Suggs, Cole, Isaac, Portis/Brooks (do they re-sign them?), AJ Green, Kyle Kuzma, etc.

That's a terrible team with no control of their own picks until after 2030. The Orlando picks most likely will be late picks.

If Orlando offers that and I'm Milwaukee then I look elsewhere.

[John Murdoch]

Would cavs do Mobley/Jafro/1st for Giannis ?

New bucks

Dame
GTJ
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Mobley
Allen


New cavs

Garland
Mitchell
Max
DHunter
Giannis

[Dan Z]

Too much for Giannis. Thunder can likely get KD for two players and a few picks.

Role players and picks are too much for Giannis? What are the picks?

I would do
2025 #15
2026 Phil (1-4 protected)
2027 Denv (1-5 protected)
2029 Denv (1-5 protected)


That should be enough.

That leaves Milwaukee with a team of role players and late first round picks. They also don't have control of their own picks until after 2030.

If' OKC offers this, and I'm Milwaukee, I'd look elsewhere. Or just keep Giannis for now.

[Mamba81p]

Where did you get 9 from? It looks like Orlando has 4 first round picks they can trade plus swaps. 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2032.

I'm not sure how good those picks will be for Milwaukee since Giannis on Orlando is a good team. What would you offer the Bucks for him?

Suggs, fillers, and 4 first round picks. The Magic could trade a pick this season, also.

The fillers would probably be Isaac and Cole.

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That leaves Milwaukee with Lillard (injured...most likely won't be back for a year), Suggs, Cole, Isaac, Portis/Brooks (do they re-sign them?), AJ Green, Kyle Kuzma, etc.

That's a terrible team with no control of their own picks until after 2030. The Orlando picks most likely will be late picks.

If Orlando offers that and I'm Milwaukee then I look elsewhere.

Giannis can control a lot in this saga, but I think any deal would require another arrangement with New Orleans at least if not Portland as well to get some of those picks back.

The value of the picks can vary a lot. We saw that with Brooklyn and the Phoenix picks. Some might say they made a mistake by getting their picks back from Houston, but at the time Houston were the crazy ones to give up on the Brooklyn picks.

[Pointgod]

That's why I think they need to get New Orleans involved.

Either way a Giannis trade needs to give them a glimmer of hope going forward.

Yeah I see the Pelicans as a dark horse trade destination and I at least see one of Blazers or Pelicans being involved in a Giannis trade if both parties ever get there.

New Orleans probably wouldn't be on his list. He's already said he likes a tax-free state and enjoys Florida cities. So it's between Miami and Orlando. Orlando has like 9 tradeable first round picks and 11 second round picks.

I think Booker fits the Magic better if they decide to go all in.

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That’s all well and good but if the Pelicans can put out a better off than whatever teams Giannis has on his list, the Bucks will trade him and there’s not much Giannis can do. Agree with you about Booker btw.