Bulls @ 76ers 3/26/08

Post #161 » by **The Guilty Party** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:57 am

Anyone watching the McDonald's All-American game on ESPN right now? This kid Jennings that's headed to Arizona next season is a sick PG.

ankle420breaker · Post #162 » by **ankle420breaker** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:04 am

36 assists on 44 made field goals

eyeatoma · Post #163 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:17 am

Knux-Future wrote:
Iggy: a real number one would have had 45pts 20 asts and 13 rebs and they would have impregnated all of the cheerleaders.....twice.
Iggy sucks so bad that he only impregnated 1.........and because he's a jerk he won't even pay child support.....and that's why he will never win a CHIP!!!!!!

Oh good lord, I'm dieing... :rofl:

The entire post was gold, but this was just brilliant!!! :lol:

Sixersftw · Post #164 » by **Sixersftw** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:45 am

seattle is leading washington...this just might be huge.

Post #165 » by **dbodner** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:47 am

Yeah. I'm now officially scoreboard watching. Cleveland lost, too. We're now 3 behind them with 2 games head to head.

cavsfan_osiris · Post #166 » by **cavsfan_osiris** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:19 am

Knux-Future wrote:This team is surging..........like um....surgy stuff

"The Surge", I like that..

Post #167 » by **dbodner** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:34 am

Wiz down 17 with 4 minutes left in the third.

Post #168 » by **tk76** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:19 am

eyeatoma wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Oh good lord, I'm dieing...

The entire post was gold, but this was just brilliant!!!

+1

Now I guess we know why Iguodala had to hold out for more Iguo-Dollars. He's got all of those little bastard Iguo-$'s to feed...

Post #169 » by **tk76** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:22 am

dbodner wrote:Wiz down 17 with 4 minutes left in the third.

Man- glad I'm not a Seattle fan (used to be my #2 team.) I don't know what is worse, watching them cough up big leads, or watching them pack their bags for OKC?

SendEm · Post #170 » by **SendEm** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:27 am

dond wrote:No question that Willie Green is not looking good lately ...

However, I was on that 82games.com site today (at the suggest of another poster) and I found something very interesting....

Igoudala shoots 3-pointers 22% of the time and his percentage is .321

Green shoots 3-pointers 19 % of the time and his percentage is .324

Igoudala shoots mid-range jumpers 49% of the time at .395

Green shoots mid-range jumpers 50% of the time at .393

Igoudala shoots in close 27% of the time at .661

Green shoots in close 30% of the time at .654

One could argue that they have basically the same shooting profile.

Yet, Willie Green is considered a bum by many and Igoudala a budding superstar.

interesting ...

Interesting...

But really they both have 2 different roles. Willie is just a shooter and Iggy both shoots and creates plays for this team.

Those Chicago Bulls are a mess of a franchise right now. Adding Ben Wallace to that franchise ruined them forever. They will never recover from having to be committed to his huge salary which is now Larry Hughes enormous salary. You combine that with 3 flawed young "star" players and it's over for them. The Bulls will have to completely retool. Noah, Nocioni, and Thaba (sp) are the only guys they should keep.

Atleast the Sixers are now capable of beating up on the lessor teams like a playoff team should...

freshie2 · Post #171 » by **freshie2** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:13 am

SendEm wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Those Chicago Bulls are a mess of a franchise right now. Adding Ben Wallace to that franchise ruined them forever. They will never recover from having to be committed to his huge salary which is now Larry Hughes enormous salary. You combine that with 3 flawed young "star" players and it's over for them. The Bulls will have to completely retool. Noah, Nocioni, and Thaba (sp) are the only guys they should keep.

It is crazy how far/fast they have fallen. Wallace was a mistake, but the Kobe rumors probably didn't help them either. After that, they never could regain the magic they had last season. Paxson was viewed as a genius last season, but they are in a tough spot this offseason. Hinrich's deal isn't an easy one to justify...Thomas over Aldridge in the draft...not pulling the trigger on a Kobe deal...does Paxson have a ton of time left there? They've gone from the team of the future to a rebuild in one season!!

Post #172 » by **dbodner** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:04 pm

dond wrote:No question that Willie Green is not looking good lately ...

However, I was on that 82games.com site today (at the suggest of another poster) and I found something very interesting....

Igoudala shoots 3-pointers 22% of the time and his percentage is .321

Green shoots 3-pointers 19 % of the time and his percentage is .324

Igoudala shoots mid-range jumpers 49% of the time at .395

Green shoots mid-range jumpers 50% of the time at .393

Igoudala shoots in close 27% of the time at .661

Green shoots in close 30% of the time at .654

One could argue that they have basically the same shooting profile.

Yet, Willie Green is considered a bum by many and Igoudala a budding superstar.

interesting ...

First of all, the difference between 67% inside and 63% inside is substantial.

As is the difference between 42% on jumpers (Iguodala) vs 40.8% on jumpers (Green).

Second, 44% of Iguodala's jumpers are assisted. 61% of Green's are assisted.

You could have also taken a quick look at free throw shooting while you were there. 320 makes to 93 (in Iguodala's favor). That has a *minor* effect on efficiency.

Looking at PER differential wouldn't have been a bad thing, either, in your "analysis". Since that compares a players efficiency AND production directly with the man he's guarding. Iguodala has a PER of 21.2 vs his mans 13.3, or a +7.9. Green's PER is 14.5 vs 18.1 for who he's guarding, or -3.6. *slight* difference.

Comparing Iguodala's abilities, production, skills, or importance to the team with Green is a joke.

SendEm · Post #173 » by **SendEm** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:35 pm

With the way that the Sixers are playing right now I really don't see any glaring weaknesses outside perimeter recovery defense when double teaming the "hot" man and all pick and roll defense. The Sixers can beat any team in the league that doesn't have a player with a hot hand+perimeter shooters or a team that runs pick&roll with perimeter shooters. I believe that right now the Sixers can play with a team that can just hit shots from the outside like the Warriors. But teams like the healthy Raptors, Orlando Magic, and Celtics do everything successfully that the Sixers defense is designed to allow. Those two teams are like John Callipari's UMASS teams to John Cheaney's Temple squads.

IF Lou Williams, Carney, Jason Smith, and Evans can continue to play hardnose efficient basketball we have a real legitimate chance in the playoffs. That's assuming that Iguodala doesn't regress. I believe that Dalembert has what it takes to step up his game in the playoffs. The refs will hold their whistles allowing him to be more physical and less concerned with not committing fouls.

SouthJersey · Post #174 » by **SouthJersey** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:47 pm

Agreed with Dalembert. We all remember what got him his paycheck, I'd expect nothing less from him come playoffs.

This is going to be a dangerous team come playoff time. I know alot of people wont agree with me on this but I'm putting them as the second best team in the east going in. Boston is number one, but Detroit has Flip "I can't win a playoff series" Saunders. The Magic dont have PG play. Cleveland is kinda just a bunch of players out there that dont look like they fit together. The Wizards are playing well, but Philly has been playing better. Man am I cool aid sipping today.

wow444 · Post #175 » by **wow444** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:53 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:I know this isn't a popular opinion but I really wish Tommy Mac called the games on CSN instead of Zumoff. Go ahead... flame away.

+1

Post #176 » by **tk76** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:23 pm

82 games has a passer rating (I'm not sure how they arrive at it, but I assume it has to do with passes resulting in assists, FT chances and TO's)

Iguodala is 14.8- which I will guess is tops for SF's (Lebron is only 9.

Green is 4.6, which is horrible for a SG. You can always find indvidual stats to support just about anything. Stats are helpful when they complement/support what you see on the floor.

STChaser · Post #177 » by **STChaser** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:42 pm

Speaking of Dalembert, a lot of our fast break success has to do with his presence inside. I watched the Atlanta vs Chicago game the night before our game and you would have thought the Bulls were an elite playoff team. Gooden went off against Atlanta's big men and Noah had a nice game as well. However, within minutes of the 1st quarter in our game, it was obvious that Chicago's big men were NOT going to have that kind of success against Sam. His length inside completely changed the game - so much so, that after the 1st quarter, Gooden was basically absent for the remainder of the game and Noah was pretty ineffective as well - credit Evans here too.

STChaser

dond · Post #178 » by **dond** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:26 pm

dbodner wrote:First of all, the difference between 67% inside and 63% inside is substantial.

As is the difference between 42% on jumpers (Iguodala) vs 40.8% on jumpers (Green).

Well, if you are going to comment on my posting you may wish to use the numbers I posted. These numbers are not my numbers.

Second, 44% of Iguodala's jumpers are assisted. 61% of Green's are assisted.

Yes ... so what ?

You could have also taken a quick look at free throw shooting while you were there. 320 makes to 93 (in Iguodala's favor). That has a *minor* effect on efficiency.

Looking at PER differential wouldn't have been a bad thing, either, in your "analysis". Since that compares a players efficiency AND production directly with the man he's guarding. Iguodala has a PER of 21.2 vs his mans 13.3, or a +7.9. Green's PER is 14.5 vs 18.1 for who he's guarding, or -3.6. *slight* difference.

It was not my intention to indicate that Willie Green was more valuable than Igoudala ... only that the disparity in perceived value may not be entirely justified.

dond · Post #179 » by **dond** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:34 pm

tk76 wrote:82 games has a passer rating (I'm not sure how they arrive at it, but I assume it has to do with passes resulting in assists, FT chances and TO's)

Iguodala is 14.8- which I will guess is tops for SF's (Lebron is only 9. Green is 4.6, which is horrible for a SG. You can always find indvidual stats to support just about anything. Stats are helpful when they complement/support what you see on the floor.

Boy ... you and I are on the same page about finding stats to support just about anything. I merely brought up those stats about shooting percentages because I thought some might find it interesting. Actually, all it probably means is that Igoudala is ALSO not shooting the ball very well ... a view that many hold.

I have always said ... there is more to being a good player than statistics and having someone throw stats at me to prove their point rarely convinces me of anything that is not evident on the floor. Our best gauge of a players value is just watching the effect they have when they are playing.

Post #180 » by **tk76** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:36 pm

Your stats helped show that Iguodala and Green are decent, but not great shooters. I agree with that. Both need to be selective with their shots to be an asset on offense.

All of the other stats Dbods and I listed just show how Iguodala's main value to the team is not his shooting.

What the stats do not show is that when Iguodala shoots well it really opens up the rest of his game by forcing his defender to guard him closer- allowing for more drives.