Political Roundtable - Part VI

[Induveca]

More good news for Obama.

Obama Approval Soars: President Is Now More Popular Than Bush and Equal To Reagan

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/04/21/ ... obama.html

Thanks to a growing economy President Obama’s approval rating has reached its highest level since May of 2013. Obama is now more popular than George W. Bush, and as popular as Ronald Reagan was at the same point in their second terms.

According to the latest CNN/ORC poll, the Obama resurgence is being fueled by the growing economy. Fifty-two percent of respondents called the U.S. economy very or somewhat good while 48% said the economy was very or somewhat poor. The President’s approval rating has increased with 18-29-year-olds (57%), women (51%), Democrats (88%), and liberal Democrats (97%).

You bash Popper for posting right wing slanted pieces yet quote that site? The title is "Real Liberal Politics", good to know where you get your facts.

FWIW, I feel the same way about Popper's right-wing propaganda sites. They're all equally sensationalist/ridiculous.

[DCZards]

More good news for Obama.

Obama Approval Soars: President Is Now More Popular Than Bush and Equal To Reagan

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/04/21/ ... obama.html

Thanks to a growing economy President Obama’s approval rating has reached its highest level since May of 2013. Obama is now more popular than George W. Bush, and as popular as Ronald Reagan was at the same point in their second terms.

According to the latest CNN/ORC poll, the Obama resurgence is being fueled by the growing economy. Fifty-two percent of respondents called the U.S. economy very or somewhat good while 48% said the economy was very or somewhat poor. The President’s approval rating has increased with 18-29-year-olds (57%), women (51%), Democrats (88%), and liberal Democrats (97%).

You bash Popper for posting right wing slanted pieces yet quote that site? The title is "Real Liberal Politics", good to know where you get your facts.

FWIW, I feel the same way about Popper's right-wing propaganda sites. They're all equally sensationalist/ridiculous.

You are absolutely right. This is a far-left site and not one that I would (or should) typically quote. But I loved the headline and story so much I couldn't help myself. At least the survey is from a credible source--CNN.

[Induveca]

Just happy we agree on something for once.

Kudos for the honesty!

[Zonkerbl]

lol!

[dckingsfan]

meh

http://blogs.whattheythink.com/economic ... -322082785

[popper]

More good news for Obama.

Obama Approval Soars: President Is Now More Popular Than Bush and Equal To Reagan

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/04/21/ ... obama.html

Thanks to a growing economy President Obama’s approval rating has reached its highest level since May of 2013. Obama is now more popular than George W. Bush, and as popular as Ronald Reagan was at the same point in their second terms.

According to the latest CNN/ORC poll, the Obama resurgence is being fueled by the growing economy. Fifty-two percent of respondents called the U.S. economy very or somewhat good while 48% said the economy was very or somewhat poor. The President’s approval rating has increased with 18-29-year-olds (57%), women (51%), Democrats (88%), and liberal Democrats (97%).

You bash Popper for posting right wing slanted pieces yet quote that site? The title is "Real Liberal Politics", good to know where you get your facts.

FWIW, I feel the same way about Popper's right-wing propaganda sites. They're all equally sensationalist/ridiculous.

I'm happy to eliminate links to right-wing propaganda sites from my future posts if someone would tell me what those sites are. I asked for a list about a year ago from participants on this thread and didn't get an actionable response (perhaps because then it would be necessary to make a list of of left-wing propaganda sites). Edit - On second thought, it's probably unrealistic to expect a list of approved news sources. Personally, I think we'd be better off analyzing the content and veracity of various posts regardless of their origin but that's a battle I lost a long time ago on this thread. I could give hundreds of examples of so called non-credible sources breaking big stories that the MSM corporate suck-ups bury but I understand that times have changed. I'm willing to adjust but I need guidance on what's an acceptable source and what's not. I learned recently from Clinton surrogates that the content of Schweizer's new book can't be analyzed or discussed because he's a conservative researcher.

[Zonkerbl]

I really don't mind where you post the sites from. All I ask is that the content you post survive 30 seconds worth of research.

Nothing more irritating than somebody posting as gospel truth some idiot idea that can be proven untrue within 30 seconds of googling the topic. The irritating thing isn't that you post lies, Popper. What's irritating is that you are so easily convinced they are true. You're a smart guy and yet you are so easily manipulated. I can only imagine what the rest of the blogaverse is susceptible to.

[popper]

I really don't mind where you post the sites from. All I ask is that the content you post survive 30 seconds worth of research.

Nothing more irritating than somebody posting as gospel truth some idiot idea that can be proven untrue within 30 seconds of googling the topic. The irritating thing isn't that you post lies, Popper. What's irritating is that you are so easily convinced they are true. You're a smart guy and yet you are so easily manipulated. I can only imagine what the rest of the blogaverse is susceptible to.

I remember two or three occasions over the last 4 years on this thread where my posts and related media links were deemed inaccurate. Once enlightened I readily admitted the mistake and adopted the corrected view. I also thanked the poster for pointing out the error. I know I'm not mistake-free and I try to be sympathetic to every other person on this thread that posts something that is later corrected (i.e. every person that participates here). That's the valuable thing about a forum like this - we research, we learn, we think, we communicate, and sometimes, if we're open minded, we can change our opinions and beliefs based on new or previously unknown information presented by others.

[Induveca]

Baltimore situation, riots etc.....pathetic. Same day Sharpton arrives. Ugh.

The media has been overhyping a handful of police brutality situations nonstop for many months now. Well they are finally getting their "ultimate story", a race riot. Very sad it is happening in Baltimore. That's a hard working city.

Very depressing video.

http://m.nowthisnews.com/unrest-grows-in-baltimore

[fishercob]

Baltimore situation, riots etc.....pathetic. Same day Sharpton arrives. Ugh.

The media has been overhyping a handful of police brutality situations nonstop for many months now. Well they are finally getting their "ultimate story", a race riot. Very sad it is happening in Baltimore. That's a hard working city.

Very depressing video.

http://m.nowthisnews.com/unrest-grows-in-baltimore

Come on. This is the media's fault? Rioters are responsible for their actions and cops are responsible for theirs. I don't think blaming the media is warranted here.

When you have a society that's broken -- no jobs, no education, few functional families, mass incarceration, etc -- basically, when people feel hopeless and there is nothing to lose, they'll riot when you push them far enough.

[Induveca]

Baltimore situation, riots etc.....pathetic. Same day Sharpton arrives. Ugh.

The media has been overhyping a handful of police brutality situations nonstop for many months now. Well they are finally getting their "ultimate story", a race riot. Very sad it is happening in Baltimore. That's a hard working city.

Very depressing video.

http://m.nowthisnews.com/unrest-grows-in-baltimore

Come on. This is the media's fault? Rioters are responsible for their actions and cops are responsible for theirs. I don't think blaming the media is warranted here.

When you have a society that's broken -- no jobs, no education, few functional families, mass incarceration, etc -- basically, when people feel hopeless and there is nothing to lose, they'll riot when you push them far enough.

Very much of this is indeed the media's fault. Most large television media outlets have sensationalized a tiny portion of unfortunate arrests/deaths for over a year.

Sensationalize/overhype racial brutality for 12 months to millions and eventually there is a major reaction. Irresponsible.

[queridiculo]

Interesting take by John Angelos.

Brett, speaking only for myself, I agree with your point that the principle of peaceful, non-violent protest and the observance of the rule of law is of utmost importance in any society. MLK, Gandhi, Mandela and all great opposition leaders throughout history have always preached this precept. Further, it is critical that in any democracy, investigation must be completed and due process must be honored before any government or police members are judged responsible.

That said, my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.

The innocent working families of all backgrounds whose lives and dreams have been cut short by excessive violence, surveillance, and other abuses of the Bill of Rights by government pay the true price, and ultimate price, and one that far exceeds the importances of any kids’ game played tonight, or ever, at Camden Yards. We need to keep in mind people are suffering and dying around the U.S., and while we are thankful no one was injured at Camden Yards, there is a far bigger picture for poor Americans in Baltimore and everywhere who don’t have jobs and are losing economic civil and legal rights, and this makes inconvenience at a ballgame irrelevant in light of the needless suffering government is inflicting upon ordinary Americans.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/orioles-john-angelos-baltimore-protests-mlb

[TGW]

Baltimore situation, riots etc.....pathetic. Same day Sharpton arrives. Ugh.

The media has been overhyping a handful of police brutality situations nonstop for many months now. Well they are finally getting their "ultimate story", a race riot. Very sad it is happening in Baltimore. That's a hard working city.

Very depressing video.

http://m.nowthisnews.com/unrest-grows-in-baltimore

Come on. This is the media's fault? Rioters are responsible for their actions and cops are responsible for theirs. I don't think blaming the media is warranted here.

When you have a society that's broken -- no jobs, no education, few functional families, mass incarceration, etc -- basically, when people feel hopeless and there is nothing to lose, they'll riot when you push them far enough.

Very much of this is indeed the media's fault. Most large television media outlets have sensationalized a tiny portion of unfortunate arrests/deaths for over a year.

Sensationalize/overhype racial brutality for 12 months to millions and eventually there is a major reaction. Irresponsible.

LOL how exactly do you overhype racial brutality? Would you rather they underhype it? Ignore it altogether?

[Induveca]

If you don't think the media hasn't focused on a profitable narrative by looping 5-6 horrific incidents during arrests you're fooling yourself. Their ratings this evening will be their highest of the year.

There are over 12 million arrests/annum in the U.S.. Things are bound to go wrong. To loop video of a few incidents of inexcusable *extreme* police brutality and imply it as the "norm" in black communities is irresponsible.

[DCZards]

If you don't think the media hasn't focused on a profitable narrative by looping 5-6 horrific incidents during arrests you're fooling yourself. Their ratings this evening will be their highest of the year.

There are over 12 million arrests/annum in the U.S.. Things are bound to go wrong. To loop video of a few incidents of inexcusable *extreme* police brutality and imply it as the "norm" in black communities is irresponsible.

Did things simply "go wrong" or was their a crime committed by the B'More police officers...maybe even murder. To say that "things are bound to go wrong" sounds a little too flippant for my taste.

And you're right that the media often loops the video of a few incidents of police brutality. But does anyone doubt that there are numerous other incidents that are not caught on video.

[FreeBalling]

It's sad to see how a small pocket of people use the wrongful death of a person for personal gain. I see there are older black men in suites with bow ties trying to reason with younger people on the streets. They are risking their lives to restore order in a mob situation. These people truly value their city.

I'm baffled at how parts of the AA communities think looting and violence will resolve a wrongful death. The nation will be watching and judging how certain leaders in the community defuse this situation. It's situations like this that give the hoodie a bad name.

“Without education, you’re not going anywhere in this world.” — Malcolm X

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Baltimore situation, riots etc.....pathetic. Same day Sharpton arrives. Ugh.

The media has been overhyping a handful of police brutality situations nonstop for many months now. Well they are finally getting their "ultimate story", a race riot. Very sad it is happening in Baltimore. That's a hard working city.

Very depressing video.

http://m.nowthisnews.com/unrest-grows-in-baltimore

Come on. This is the media's fault? Rioters are responsible for their actions and cops are responsible for theirs. I don't think blaming the media is warranted here.

When you have a society that's broken -- no jobs, no education, few functional families, mass incarceration, etc -- basically, when people feel hopeless and there is nothing to lose, they'll riot when you push them far enough.

How often is it NOT a white officer or police wannabe like Zimmerman shooting or otherwise killing an unarmed black?

Induveca, I just got a haircut. I read a magazine while I waited. The Time magazine issue with "Black Lives Matter" on the cover has an article that details about a dozen incidents of police caused fatalities since Trayvon Martin (2012). Ten or so since 2014.

What also concerns me is the propensity to fire multiple rounds at a fleeing, unarmed suspect.

The 50-year old black man killed by a 33-year old policeman was hit 4 times in the back. He was stopped because of his brake light.

The most alarming stat is no police get convicted. Eric Garner was killed by an illegal choke over cigarette sales. No charges. Just another dead black man.

Honestly, the officers need to police their own. The real problem is liability and corruption in courts. People are rioting because a young, healthy guy with a broken spine was manhandled.

Bet you anything his toxicology reports will be used to say he hurt himself. No prosecution of police. Not even a civil suit will result.

[popper]

I think most people protesting peacefully have a valid beef that, according to some interviews I saw, escalated when O'Malley was Mayor and implemented a zero tolerance policy (which ended up incarcerating thousands of blacks who were either not guilty or were guilty of petty offenses). The rioters on the other hand don't deserve any sympathy and the vast majority of black Baltimore residents are pissed. Many hundreds were out trying to stop the destruction. The CVS that was looted and burned served many thousands in that neighborhood. Who knows whether they will ever open again.

Here is a video of black mother taking her son to task for his role in the melee. You have to scroll down through several videos to get the entire picture.

Baltimore Mom Catches Her Son Rioting, Beats His A** In Front Of Everyone [VIDEO]

KAITLAN COLLINS

Entertainment Editor

There was looting and rioting on the streets of Baltimore Monday that left several police officers injured and caused the governor of Maryland to declare a state of emergency.

One woman, who many assume is his mother, saw one young man joining in with rioters, so she snatched him off the street and slapped him around on national television while yelling “What the **** is wrong with you?” at him.

Multiple videos, all including strong language, of the incident have surfaced.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/27/balti ... one-video/

[80sballboy]

Agreed that police brutality is out of control or at least it appears that way due to cellphone cameras, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc. This stuff has always been going on and not just to black people. It's just been uncovered yet statistics are very vague.

I live close to Baltimore and it saddens me what has happened to the city. These protests/riots are taking away from what the real problems are-how police at times have crossed the line and don't pay for their actions. Yet youngsters are going on Twitter/Instagram/Facebook about going on some Purge (like the movie), looting some malls in the county. WTF does that have to do with the death of Freddie Gray?

[JWizmentality]

What a disgusting, sad scene in Baltimore. I feel so ashamed I could cry.