Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[NotTraxxe]

The Suns are not set on keeping Goodwin. They will not trade him and give up on him for 2nd round picks and trash.

It is pure 'business' and only business to say that they are not up for sale. The value get from a player another team knows is expendable is different from the value of a player that a team states is essential.

McD is doing what every person would do in his shoes.

[Revived]

I'd really love a trade for T.Ross. I love his Game and ich think he could really fit in our System.

Do we really need another SG/SF at this point? I mean Ross really isnt an upgrade over Green/Tucker/Morris and we still dont really know what we have with Goodwin/Warren/Zoran/Bullock, so to trade Plumlee for yet another wing would just be asinine at this point.

I would rather trade Plumlee for another C that is younger and not yet developed, so he would be fine with limited minutes and being the 3rd C off the bench. Maybe even trade him for someone that can play a bit of PF as well, kinda like how Wright can cover both positions.

Clint Capela of the Rockets and Lucas Nougueira of the Raptors are two guys that fit this bill.

[TASTIC]

I'd really love a trade for T.Ross. I love his Game and ich think he could really fit in our System.

Do we really need another SG/SF at this point? I mean Ross really isnt an upgrade over Green/Tucker/Morris and we still dont really know what we have with Goodwin/Warren/Zoran/Bullock, so to trade Plumlee for yet another wing would just be asinine at this point.

I would rather trade Plumlee for another C that is younger and not yet developed, so he would be fine with limited minutes and being the 3rd C off the bench. Maybe even trade him for someone that can play a bit of PF as well, kinda like how Wright can cover both positions.

Clint Capela of the Rockets and Lucas Nougueira of the Raptors are two guys that fit this bill.

I'd defo move Plum for Capela, not 100% on Nogueira but I remember being impressed with his frame, athleticism and speed.

I'd also offer him up for O'Quinn (likely isn't enough for KO) or Henson, like both of those guys more than him.

Am curious what HOU is going to do with TJones once he's back...Plumlee for Jones? Doubt HOU does it

[Revived]

Do we really need another SG/SF at this point? I mean Ross really isnt an upgrade over Green/Tucker/Morris and we still dont really know what we have with Goodwin/Warren/Zoran/Bullock, so to trade Plumlee for yet another wing would just be asinine at this point.

I would rather trade Plumlee for another C that is younger and not yet developed, so he would be fine with limited minutes and being the 3rd C off the bench. Maybe even trade him for someone that can play a bit of PF as well, kinda like how Wright can cover both positions.

Clint Capela of the Rockets and Lucas Nougueira of the Raptors are two guys that fit this bill.

I'd defo move Plum for Capela, not 100% on Nogueira but I remember being impressed with his frame, athleticism and speed.

I'd also offer him up for O'Quinn (likely isn't enough for KO) or Henson, like both of those guys more than him.

Am curious what HOU is going to do with TJones once he's back...Plumlee for Jones? Doubt HOU does it

I was thinking maybe Plumlee, Jones, IT for Jones, Capela and rights to swap 1st rd pick for their Pelicans pick with our own.

[AZWildByNature]

The Suns are not set on keeping Goodwin. They will not trade him and give up on him for 2nd round picks and trash.

It is pure 'business' and only business to say that they are not up for sale. The value get from a player another team knows is expendable is different from the value of a player that a team states is essential.

McD is doing what every person would do in his shoes.

So there is interest from other teams, but only for a small price.

[batsmasher]

Secondly, the comments by his agent were AFTER my post. I couldn't 'predict' what his agent was going to say and change my post...

I need to reiterate I don't want to trade him as I think he will be a solid player who has very big upside; my problem was the comments and going public about them - which surprise surprise his agent has 'cleared up'. Again, I am worried he's another DJ Strawberry - who also killed it in the D-League as a youngster but just never improved
http://www.basketball-reference.com/nbd ... dj01d.html

I'm not going to address the first half of your post because you are correct, Archie has no tangible reason to be demanding minutes.

However, it was unfair to jump on him like that even before the agent comments. He never demanded minutes. He has every right to express his frustration. It's not as if he called a reporter up to come and interview him. These questions were catered for him.

From the standpoint of me being a competitor, yeah, it is frustrating, but I still understand what’s going on.

Nothing he said was untoward or would do anything to jeopardise the team. Even this:

If it don’t come next year, I’m not going to take it,

Archie's a competitor. This isn't about his ego. He wants a chance because he believes in himself. You're not going to prove either way if Archie can play ball unless he gets an extended run.

I can understand you having concerns if Archie had turned on the team for his own personal gain, but he hasn't.

I don’t want those guys thinking I don’t want them to succeed — I do, with all my heart.

He's a young kid learning the hard way what it's like to have your words spun the wrong way. There really is nothing to see here.

[Revived]

If the Suns gave Archie, say 7 mins in every game for like 15-20 games and then it's proven that he sucks or that he's nor ready to get minutes, then I bet not a single person would be complaining about him not getting minutes, even Goodwin himself would understand that he's not ready.

But unfortunately that's not the case.

[Zelaznyrules]

If the Suns gave Archie, say 7 mins in every game for like 15-20 games and then it's proven that he sucks or that he's nor ready to get minutes, then I bet not a single person would be complaining about him not getting minutes, even Goodwin himself would understand that he's not ready.

But unfortunately that's not the case.

My neighbor's grandson is 20 years old and he can't shoot or defend either. Can we get him 7 minutes a game too? And the best thing about playing either Goodwin or Deylon from next door for 20 games? It will quickly put us out of the playoff race thus opening up a lot more time for all those players that couldn't earn their court time. Personally, I hope Archie gets some playing time soon but I hope it's because he's impressed the coaching staff.

[Revived]

If the Suns gave Archie, say 7 mins in every game for like 15-20 games and then it's proven that he sucks or that he's nor ready to get minutes, then I bet not a single person would be complaining about him not getting minutes, even Goodwin himself would understand that he's not ready.

But unfortunately that's not the case.

My neighbor's grandson is 20 years old and he can't shoot or defend either. Can we get him 7 minutes a game too? And the best thing about playing either Goodwin or Deylon from next door for 20 games? It will quickly put us out of the playoff race thus opening up a lot more time for all those players that couldn't earn their court time. Personally, I hope Archie gets some playing time soon but I hope it's because he's impressed the coaching staff.

Sure it your neighbors grandson is as athletic as Goodwn, has as much potential and promise, and has performed well when been given extensive minutes, then absolutely.

And we aren't gonna miss playoffs because of 7 mins given to Goodwin. Green, Marcus, IT, Plumlee etc have all had awful stretches when they come in so its not like Goodwin is gonna cause us to miss playoffs.

[GetYourPHX]

I'm still just hoping the Suns decide to stand pat this year. We have too many young guys and question marks to make any big roster changes.

[thamadkant]

The Suns are not set on keeping Goodwin. They will not trade him and give up on him for 2nd round picks and trash.

It is pure 'business' and only business to say that they are not up for sale. The value get from a player another team knows is expendable is different from the value of a player that a team states is essential.

McD is doing what every person would do in his shoes.

This contradicts the wiretap news.

We all know Goodwin CAN be moved for the right package, anyone can, even Anthony Davis.

But also Goodwin's value is a lot higher for the Suns than other teams.
At the cost they are paying him and his upside, they are likely to keep developing him than give him up.

So in essence he is off the market, unless a real good offer comes up. But then you have to wonder why the other team would offer such a good offer in the first place.

Basically Goodwin is one of the more interesting Suns prospects since his ceiling is rather high and still young, even younger than some of this year's draftees.

[thamadkant]

If the Suns gave Archie, say 7 mins in every game for like 15-20 games and then it's proven that he sucks or that he's nor ready to get minutes, then I bet not a single person would be complaining about him not getting minutes, even Goodwin himself would understand that he's not ready.

But unfortunately that's not the case.

My neighbor's grandson is 20 years old and he can't shoot or defend either. Can we get him 7 minutes a game too? And the best thing about playing either Goodwin or Deylon from next door for 20 games? It will quickly put us out of the playoff race thus opening up a lot more time for all those players that couldn't earn their court time. Personally, I hope Archie gets some playing time soon but I hope it's because he's impressed the coaching staff.

Huh?

So your neighbour's kid scored 29 points in the NBA?
Averaged 9-10 points when given 15+ minutes on good percentages?

Goodwin has elite traits... We all scream and get excited when we see Westbrook take it hard to the rim, well Goodwin has that potential, his first step and penetration ability is bordering elite.

[suns91fan]

If the Suns gave Archie, say 7 mins in every game for like 15-20 games and then it's proven that he sucks or that he's nor ready to get minutes, then I bet not a single person would be complaining about him not getting minutes, even Goodwin himself would understand that he's not ready.

But unfortunately that's not the case.

My neighbor's grandson is 20 years old and he can't shoot or defend either. Can we get him 7 minutes a game too? And the best thing about playing either Goodwin or Deylon from next door for 20 games? It will quickly put us out of the playoff race thus opening up a lot more time for all those players that couldn't earn their court time. Personally, I hope Archie gets some playing time soon but I hope it's because he's impressed the coaching staff.

Huh?

So your neighbour's kid scored 29 points in the NBA?
Averaged 9-10 points when given 15+ minutes on good percentages?

Goodwin has elite traits... We all scream and get excited when we see Westbrook take it hard to the rim, well Goodwin has that potential, his first step and penetration ability is bordering elite.

I really hope Goodwin succeeds but all those games you mentioned mean nothing. When teams played against the Suns last year, they did the scouting report. In those scouting reports Goodwin was not even mentioned. They just didn't expect him to play at all, and even if he was to get some minutes, they just didn't think he would make any impact worth scouting. And that's where Goodwin could shine. No one knew he can't shoot, no one knew he can attack the basket so well, so he took teams by surprise, and contributed accordingly. When Goodwin cracks the rotation, he will get scouted on a consistent basis, and all flaws in his game will be exposed. It's easy to completely shut down one dimensional players, so unless he develops some more options in his offense, he won't be getting any meaningful minutes.

[Kerrsed]

Sounds like the 76ers might be in the market for a new PG.

Im sure they would love IT and his Allen Iverson-like game.

[AtheJ415]

I'd really love a trade for T.Ross. I love his Game and ich think he could really fit in our System.

Do we really need another SG/SF at this point? I mean Ross really isnt an upgrade over Green/Tucker/Morris and we still dont really know what we have with Goodwin/Warren/Zoran/Bullock, so to trade Plumlee for yet another wing would just be asinine at this point.

I would rather trade Plumlee for another C that is younger and not yet developed, so he would be fine with limited minutes and being the 3rd C off the bench. Maybe even trade him for someone that can play a bit of PF as well, kinda like how Wright can cover both positions.

Short run yes, but in the long run he has as much potential as any SF on the roster except maybe Warren.

[JJ13]

Sounds like the 76ers might be in the market for a new PG.

Im sure they would love IT and his Allen Iverson-like game.

Give me Covington all day...that guy is a stud and only getting better

[sunsfever68]

If the Suns gave Archie, say 7 mins in every game for like 15-20 games and then it's proven that he sucks or that he's nor ready to get minutes, then I bet not a single person would be complaining about him not getting minutes, even Goodwin himself would understand that he's not ready.

But unfortunately that's not the case.

My neighbor's grandson is 20 years old and he can't shoot or defend either. Can we get him 7 minutes a game too? And the best thing about playing either Goodwin or Deylon from next door for 20 games? It will quickly put us out of the playoff race thus opening up a lot more time for all those players that couldn't earn their court time. Personally, I hope Archie gets some playing time soon but I hope it's because he's impressed the coaching staff.

Huh?

So your neighbour's kid scored 29 points in the NBA?
Averaged 9-10 points when given 15+ minutes on good percentages?

Goodwin has elite traits... We all scream and get excited when we see Westbrook take it hard to the rim, well Goodwin has that potential, his first step and penetration ability is bordering elite.

Yes but Westbrook's handles, midrange game, jump shot are much better than Goodwin's.

Goodwin is young but I have hope after a year or two he can fix his jumper and become our westbrook lite

[AtheJ415]

Currently, the Raptors' pick is in the 20s.
Or they have their own and the less favorable of the Nuggets and Knicks picks in 2016.

Would love some T.Ross

Something is up with Terrence Ross. Maybe someone that is familiar with the Raptors board can fill me in. But apparently he's in a big time funk, going through some sort of depression or something? He's been playing really poorly too. Even Gerald Green at 42% is shooting better from the field than Ross is. And of course so is IT (44%), Eric (44%), Goran (51%), PJ (46%), and Marcus (45%).

Half his shots are 3s though, so his FG% is going to be lower than those other guys. He shoots 37% from 3, which isn't bad at all.

I see it as Green is likely gone next year, so we replace him with someone in the same positional area as a swing wing (2-3). He doesn't have the same skillset as green, but has plenty of potential. Similar to adding Bullock, we're setting up to replace an older role player with a younger guy.

Also, the rumor was Ross + Hansborough, so the lack of big men isn't as big an issue as some others are suggesting.

[thamadkant]

My neighbor's grandson is 20 years old and he can't shoot or defend either. Can we get him 7 minutes a game too? And the best thing about playing either Goodwin or Deylon from next door for 20 games? It will quickly put us out of the playoff race thus opening up a lot more time for all those players that couldn't earn their court time. Personally, I hope Archie gets some playing time soon but I hope it's because he's impressed the coaching staff.

Huh?

So your neighbour's kid scored 29 points in the NBA?
Averaged 9-10 points when given 15+ minutes on good percentages?

Goodwin has elite traits... We all scream and get excited when we see Westbrook take it hard to the rim, well Goodwin has that potential, his first step and penetration ability is bordering elite.

I really hope Goodwin succeeds but all those games you mentioned mean nothing. When teams played against the Suns last year, they did the scouting report. In those scouting reports Goodwin was not even mentioned. They just didn't expect him to play at all, and even if he was to get some minutes, they just didn't think he would do any impact worth scouting. And that's where Goodwin could shine. No one knew he can't shoot, no one knew he can attack the basket so well, so he took teams by surprise, and contributed accordingly. When Goodwin cracks the rotation, he will get scouted on a consistent basis, and all flaws in his game will be exposed. It's easy to completely shut down one dimensional players, so unless he develops some more options in his offense, he won't be getting any meaningful minutes.

Mean nothing?
He achieved, those numbers are on the record books forever.
They mean simply, that Goodwin scored so so points during those games.

And why are you replying to me and down playing his achievements? Did you even read the post I quoted, some guy's neighbor's kid is athletic so he is comparable to Goodwin?
Goodwin averaged 14 ppgs in college as a 17 year old... you argue my post, but ignored the previous post about some "athletic" kid comparable to a player who has proven performances as a professional and in college.

"He didnt get scouted" hence he scored is a lazy way to summarize it. Heck even Wiggins was "bad" the first 2 weeks of the season, teams figured his weaknesses, but with experience on the court, he took his weaknesses and works on them every day so he has been improving every game. How does a player who doesnt get much "feedback" on his game performance able to develop a counter measure to get better?

Hence, why I think Goodwin is much better off playing D-league all season long

And you are assuming Goodwin is DONE improving, even Lebron James "ONLY" averaged 20 points as a rookie, heck even Kobe Bryant averaged terrible-so so numbers in his first 2 years. My point? Player improve over time.

[thamadkant]

My neighbor's grandson is 20 years old and he can't shoot or defend either. Can we get him 7 minutes a game too? And the best thing about playing either Goodwin or Deylon from next door for 20 games? It will quickly put us out of the playoff race thus opening up a lot more time for all those players that couldn't earn their court time. Personally, I hope Archie gets some playing time soon but I hope it's because he's impressed the coaching staff.

Huh?

So your neighbour's kid scored 29 points in the NBA?
Averaged 9-10 points when given 15+ minutes on good percentages?

Goodwin has elite traits... We all scream and get excited when we see Westbrook take it hard to the rim, well Goodwin has that potential, his first step and penetration ability is bordering elite.

Yes but Westbrook's handles, midrange game, jump shot are much better than Goodwin's.

Goodwin is young but I have hope after a year or two he can fix his jumper and become our westbrook lite

I saw Westbrook's first 2-3 seasons, he didnt have a shot either, they were erratic.
But players (professionals) improve as time goes on.... more practice, more in game experience, more knowledge with time/experience.

I would say, Goodwin would be putting up similar to Tony Wroten's numbers, points/rebounds wise if they switched places... with Goodwin averaging more FTA. We all know he needs to improve shooting... no one is saying otherwise.