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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1601 » by Dan Z » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:11 am

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So we can still be worse than the Cavs?

Not seeing the appeal of this flipping picks scenario to people.


All of you people calling 28-29 year old players old need to get a clue. This is the **** prime of their career. Plus we can keep Jaylen and still have 1-2 high lottery picks to add to this roster. This team wouldn't even be close to maxed out. First you take down Cleveland in the next 1-2 years and then its on to GS.


Butler is never going to be as good as he is right now. I'm quite comfortable going on the record as saying that. He's not that skilled. People call Blake Griffin reliant on athleticism but Butler is an undersized SF who relies on his first step, moxie, and getting to the line by taking a beating. He's not aging well and the Celtics are making a mistake if they think he's going to be useful in the post-LeBron era.

George has some appeal going forward, as a small ball 4, and a player who seemingly takes it up a notch in the playoffs. But the Celtics plus George still aren't beating CLE or GS next year, and then you have to pay everyone.

People don't want to admit it but the Celtics are far, far behind their competition right now. And this trade (moving a player in Fultz who is relatively ready for a role, to pick a project) seems like evidence that Ainge doesn't disagree.


Butler just has his best statistical season and played in 76 games. How is he not aging well? Or are you making a guess that he won't age well going forward?

6"7" 220lbs is undersized for a SF? That's an inch taller than Jae Crowder and 15 pounds lighter. It's also an inch shorter than Gordon Hayward and 1 pound less.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1602 » by Jingles » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:11 am

I do feel really bad for Fultz now. That knee is pretty much a lock to explode before Thanksgiving.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1603 » by KamikazeK » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:11 am

Marvel wrote:So Danny balked on drafting Fultz because too many guards? LMFAO that's like saying "won't draft KG too many pfs on my roster".

You're comparing Fultz to KG? Come on, man. :crazy:
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1604 » by tombattor » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:11 am

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I am no insider but watch an inordinate amount of basketball and have an understanding of what Danny Ainge values in a ball player and saw this coming from a mile away. Josh Jackson is all Danny Ainge.

Now Ainge may jerk me now too but understand for everyone who has been pumping Fultz stat line all season and ignoring the fact that he couldn't beat ... well you know. Danny Ainge had the same stat line and owned.


:nod: game recognizes game -- or lack of it. Fultz lit up Yale and lost to them. Jackson helped knock off Kentucky and Baylor when they were both ranked in the top 4 nationally.

Fultz had enormous stats because his team sucked.
Jackson had really good stats even with National Player of the Year Frank Mason Jr. playing the role of Markelle Fultz on that team.

Jackson and Brown on the wings would be amazing on both ends.
And if the draft is flat then I guess they think Tatum's pretty much a 6'9" Fultz anyway and they might not be wrong.

THIS DEAL IS GOOD.


The value is good, but I don't agree. Jackson had good stats because he was playing small-ball 4. He was able to play in a system conducive to his strengths in a way the NBA likely won't allow with his size/frame.

And Fultz didn't put up stats because his team sucked, but in spite of it.

Exactly. It's not like fultz got his points on inefficient volume shooting. The fact that he was so efficient despite playing with a pile of garbage speaks positively.
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Post#1605 » by The Corey's » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:12 am

I'll stick to my word from earlier. 3 years from this date danny will not be our gm.

He gets this upcoming year because if he wasn't he wouldn't of been allowed to make that deal. Gets next year's due to blind loyalty and when fultz takes off and Jackson can't shoot ball he goes off into retirement.

I'll put it in my signature.
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Post#1606 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:12 am

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jfs1000d wrote:We are going to have a butler and Hayward in here. Calm down everyone. Lol.

Why not Tatum at 3?


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Don't want/need Butler. Why do people insist on this? I have no idea?

Are you all Danny Ainge?


Because Butler is a top 15 player in his prime. I want Butler, Hayward on this roster with IT and Horford.


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Post#1607 » by winsomme2 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:12 am

jfs1000d wrote:We are going to have a butler and Hayward in here. Calm down everyone. Lol.

Why not Tatum at 3?


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Tatum is slow, has a really high handle and is not a good shooter.

I really don't see any star potential there
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Post#1608 » by Darth Celtic » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:12 am

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LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Good thing zima is back in stock, time to get sad drunk if we dont flip this for stars.

I'd +1 this if it wasn't for the reference to the horrid zima

Lol, the zima is the joke.


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Post#1609 » by The Corey's » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:13 am

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Marvel wrote:So Danny balked on drafting Fultz because too many guards? LMFAO that's like saying "won't draft KG too many pfs on my roster".

You're comparing Fultz to KG? Come on, man. :crazy:


You know damn well that isn't what he's doing.
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Post#1610 » by Taget » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:13 am

I don't like complex conditions. Makes it less of an asset if other teams can't tell what they're getting.

I also think we should have held out for more. In fact I don't see the rush. Wait until draft day and let Phili sweat. Leak a few rumors that LA is offering Ingram.

If we stay at 3 I guess I'd take Ball. But LA, not us decides on whether Jackson or Ball is available. Jackson doesn't excite me. Thus I'm tempted to talk with Phoenix and Sacramento about dropping further. I assume 3 for 7 and Porzingis would probably be unrealistic. But a man can dream.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1611 » by sully00 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:13 am

Slartibartfast wrote:
31to6 wrote:
sully00 wrote:
I am no insider but watch an inordinate amount of basketball and have an understanding of what Danny Ainge values in a ball player and saw this coming from a mile away. Josh Jackson is all Danny Ainge.

Now Ainge may jerk me now too but understand for everyone who has been pumping Fultz stat line all season and ignoring the fact that he couldn't beat ... well you know. Danny Ainge had the same stat line and owned.


:nod: game recognizes game -- or lack of it. Fultz lit up Yale and lost to them. Jackson helped knock off Kentucky and Baylor when they were both ranked in the top 4 nationally.

Fultz had enormous stats because his team sucked.
Jackson had really good stats even with National Player of the Year Frank Mason Jr. playing the role of Markelle Fultz on that team.

Jackson and Brown on the wings would be amazing on both ends.
And if the draft is flat then I guess they think Tatum's pretty much a 6'9" Fultz anyway and they might not be wrong.

THIS DEAL IS GOOD.


The value is good, but I don't agree. Jackson had good stats because he was playing small-ball 4. He was able to play in a system conducive to his strengths in a way the NBA likely won't allow with his size/frame.

And Fultz didn't put up stats because his team sucked, but in spite of it.


Either or on the last point stats are for losers when you are loser. I watched Jackson win games his play made Kansas special. Never saw that with Fultz. I think Ainge makes this move because he wasn't going to draft the kid and played it up enough to get the return.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1612 » by Jakeopp » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:13 am

jfs1000d wrote:We are going to have a butler and Hayward in here. Calm down everyone. Lol.

Why not Tatum at 3?


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Very few wanted to trade the pick in a win now move like this one, a core of IT/Hayward/Butler/Horford isn't better than GS or even Cleveland imo.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1613 » by AgentGreen » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:14 am

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AgentGreen wrote:We lack inside scoring.. Jackson will fill that gap for us and he has a decent 3, so he is potentially a two way threat imo.. Just need a 4 who can do that as well and we will have a very interesting season.

Jackson and Brown from the bench, moving the ball and switching from the perimeter to inside. Both can hit the 3 if you leave them open and when you get to close they will blowpast you, post you up or pass the ball away to a teammate who is open for the 3-pointer.

Ainge and Stevens know their stuff.. Just trust the process.


Jackson is horrific from three. Don't let the percentage fool you, his stroke is broken. He's a taller Marcus Smart with an uglier jumpshot, but with a pathetic wingspan and reach for a wing. That said, he will probably never play a game for us anyway so it's cool.


Smart's percentage was way way worse, you cant compare him with Jackson at all. Give credit where it's due, the kid shot on a very good efficiency from 3. His shot might be his weakness but its fixable.

The other thing with Jackson is when you watch him play, you will come to the conclusion that he has a NBA ready game. He was being misused as a 4 at Kansas because his teammate got injured. But his game and skills scream NBA potential. He has the intangibles to thrive in the league. That's probably the reason why Ainge and Stevens like him.

Fultz is very good scorer but i dont see his defense becoming good enough for the NBA. According to the media the Celtics rookie workout is one of the toughest workouts in the league. Stevens who is a very tough coach when it comes to defense, probably saw enough of Fultz's defensive skills during that workout to pass on him.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1614 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:14 am

The Corey's wrote:I'll stick to my word from earlier. 3 years from this date danny will not be our gm.

He gets this upcoming year because if he wasn't he wouldn't of been allowed to make that deal. Gets next year's due to blind loyalty and when fultz takes off and Jackson can't shoot ball he goes off into retirement.

I'll put it in my signature.

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Post#1615 » by ViperGTS » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:14 am

jfs1000d wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:Time to fire Ainge. He has lost it. It happens. He was so excited on draft night only to trade it for 1 future pick. He f*cked up. How he is still employed is beyond me. Maybe he isn't and we just don't know.

Oh and they apparently feel about the guards as some here do. Overflowing. Riiiiight. Overflowing with overrated crap.


He isn't going anywhere. Ownership, management, scouting and brad are in agreement here. This isn't a one guy decision.


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Then they are all morons. Every single last one of them. People need to march down to the Cs offices and start protesting. Bring a TV and show IT getting doubled and turning balls over when it got tough. Rozier bricking shots and brain farts. Bradley going stone cold and Marcus brick after brick.

Ask them how the guards, yes even IT are NBA champion caliber.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1616 » by The Corey's » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:14 am

jfs1000d wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:We are going to have a butler and Hayward in here. Calm down everyone. Lol.

Why not Tatum at 3?


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Don't want/need Butler. Why do people insist on this? I have no idea?

Are you all Danny Ainge?


Because Butler is a top 15 player in his prime. I want Butler, Hayward on this roster with IT and Horford.


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I wonder how many games it takes for Cleveland to drop us with that roster?

So many variables. Do we retain ko? Do they have shumpert? Is lebron between a cycle?

God help me
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Post#1617 » by Bar Fight » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:14 am

So when do we change the title to "All Things #3 Pick"?
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1618 » by KamikazeK » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:14 am

The Corey's wrote:
KamikazeK wrote:
Marvel wrote:So Danny balked on drafting Fultz because too many guards? LMFAO that's like saying "won't draft KG too many pfs on my roster".

You're comparing Fultz to KG? Come on, man. :crazy:


You know damn well that isn't what he's doing.

Nah that's exactly what he's doing.

He basically said "No fultz because too many guards" = "No KG because too many pfs"
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1619 » by ajones9219 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:15 am

The Corey's wrote:I'll stick to my word from earlier. 3 years from this date danny will not be our gm.

He gets this upcoming year because if he wasn't he wouldn't of been allowed to make that deal. Gets next year's due to blind loyalty and when fultz takes off and Jackson can't shoot ball he goes off into retirement.

I'll put it in my signature.


Its about to be a block party for some accounts on here. The constant whining is too much
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Post#1620 » by Avalanche » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:15 am

jfs1000d wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:We are going to have a butler and Hayward in here. Calm down everyone. Lol.

Why not Tatum at 3?


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Don't want/need Butler. Why do people insist on this? I have no idea?

Are you all Danny Ainge?


Because Butler is a top 15 player in his prime. I want Butler, Hayward on this roster with IT and Horford.


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