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Rocketsbaby wrote:sam_I_am wrote:Big Joke Line wrote:This is so wrong i dont know where to start. Bill Walton was 6th man in 86. Vinnie Johnson was 6th man for the Bad Boy Pistons and some times Dantley. No championship team I can remeber had 6th man worse than Smart. I give up.
81 and 84 Celtics has a pretty good sixth man too.
This pistons got a lot better after they traded Dantley away
Celts17Pride wrote:Rocketsbaby wrote:The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:What Smart sees is players like Exum (11m a year for a players who isn't very good) and Lavine getting large (especially Lavine) contracts so he is wondering why he isn't getting money thrown at him as well. I get the whole RFA thing and teams know, up to a point, the celtics will match but there has not been any offers by any team yet.
Smart has become completely overrated on this team. He is 7th or 8th man off the bench. It is nice he dives for lose balls and makes "winning plays" but he also misses 17 games a year, has maturity issues and cannot shoot. Maybe the kings will do what the kings do and over pay but it looks more and more like Smart will accept the QO.
Smart is just too big of a wildcard to give a large multiyear deal too. He needed to show restraint this year. If he was a loose cannon with an impending free agency and a contract on the line, who is going to be able to stop him from shooting once he's locked up for 4/$54... that's the reason most teams aren't interested IMO.
Besides, where is your team going if Smart is your starting PG? He's a guy with some legitimate value because he can backup either guard spot and play as a switchy defender. But his overall defensive impact and offensive impact essentially net out. I'd rather have 1 max player than 3 Marcus Smart level players... he's not worth any amount that is going to throw you into the repeater tax or clog cap space that could be used to sign a superior player..
Preach!
BoogieTime wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:The Comedian wrote:
Smart took 15 shots or more three times last year, Tatum took 12/12/11 shots in those games.
Everyone, this is a good example of what i mean about anti Smart people always using hyperbole to fail at proving their points. Know what people do love? Outscoring the other team, and thats what the Celtics did all year when Smart played.
Anytime Smart has more shots than Tatum it’s bad for the Celtics
Smart is a dimensional bench player with little affect on winning. We will make the pick unspecial anyways
BruceBanner18 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Rocketsbaby wrote:
Smart is just too big of a wildcard to give a large multiyear deal too. He needed to show restraint this year. If he was a loose cannon with an impending free agency and a contract on the line, who is going to be able to stop him from shooting once he's locked up for 4/$54... that's the reason most teams aren't interested IMO.
Besides, where is your team going if Smart is your starting PG? He's a guy with some legitimate value because he can backup either guard spot and play as a switchy defender. But his overall defensive impact and offensive impact essentially net out. I'd rather have 1 max player than 3 Marcus Smart level players... he's not worth any amount that is going to throw you into the repeater tax or clog cap space that could be used to sign a superior player..
Preach!
Is anyone not happy with Smart at 1/6? That is a great team friendly deal. I'm glad Ainge hasn't been forced to make a decision bc I think Smart is really valuable supporting piece to our championship hopes next year...
Celts17Pride wrote:Rocketsbaby wrote:The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:What Smart sees is players like Exum (11m a year for a players who isn't very good) and Lavine getting large (especially Lavine) contracts so he is wondering why he isn't getting money thrown at him as well. I get the whole RFA thing and teams know, up to a point, the celtics will match but there has not been any offers by any team yet.
Smart has become completely overrated on this team. He is 7th or 8th man off the bench. It is nice he dives for lose balls and makes "winning plays" but he also misses 17 games a year, has maturity issues and cannot shoot. Maybe the kings will do what the kings do and over pay but it looks more and more like Smart will accept the QO.
Smart is just too big of a wildcard to give a large multiyear deal too. He needed to show restraint this year. If he was a loose cannon with an impending free agency and a contract on the line, who is going to be able to stop him from shooting once he's locked up for 4/$54... that's the reason most teams aren't interested IMO.
Besides, where is your team going if Smart is your starting PG? He's a guy with some legitimate value because he can backup either guard spot and play as a switchy defender. But his overall defensive impact and offensive impact essentially net out. I'd rather have 1 max player than 3 Marcus Smart level players... he's not worth any amount that is going to throw you into the repeater tax or clog cap space that could be used to sign a superior player..
Preach!
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:BruceBanner18 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Preach!
Is anyone not happy with Smart at 1/6? That is a great team friendly deal. I'm glad Ainge hasn't been forced to make a decision bc I think Smart is really valuable supporting piece to our championship hopes next year...
It is and at the right price Smart is worth keeping. Anything over 10 or 11m is an overpay.
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:BruceBanner18 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Preach!
Is anyone not happy with Smart at 1/6? That is a great team friendly deal. I'm glad Ainge hasn't been forced to make a decision bc I think Smart is really valuable supporting piece to our championship hopes next year...
It is and at the right price Smart is worth keeping. Anything over 10 or 11m is an overpay.
GuyClinch wrote:Is Smart that much better the Jabari Parker under Brad Stevens? Parker shoots much better at can play 2/3 as backup. I think Danny is holding all the cards in this deal guys..
Homerclease wrote:We see all these reports and videos of guys working out and getting better. Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Semi, Bird, Theis and Hayward on rehab. Where are the Marcus Smart videos of him in the gym working on his craft? He’s not in his 30’s like Al Horford. Radio silence in terms of actual basketball from the Smart camp
Celts17Pride wrote:Homerclease wrote:We see all these reports and videos of guys working out and getting better. Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Semi, Bird, Theis and Hayward on rehab. Where are the Marcus Smart videos of him in the gym working on his craft? He’s not in his 30’s like Al Horford. Radio silence in terms of actual basketball from the Smart camp
In fairness Marcus Smart has a really big issue going on in his life right now.
Homerclease wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Homerclease wrote:We see all these reports and videos of guys working out and getting better. Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Semi, Bird, Theis and Hayward on rehab. Where are the Marcus Smart videos of him in the gym working on his craft? He’s not in his 30’s like Al Horford. Radio silence in terms of actual basketball from the Smart camp
In fairness Marcus Smart has a really big issue going on in his life right now.
Oh absolutely. But it didn’t stop him from going to Vegas to meet with his agent. Obviously is mother is priority A, B and C but he’s also a professional basketball player. It’s just odd that we’ve basically heard nothing from Smart at all virtually all offseason given his motor and style of play
Bill Bradley wrote:Homerclease wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:
In fairness Marcus Smart has a really big issue going on in his life right now.
Oh absolutely. But it didn’t stop him from going to Vegas to meet with his agent. Obviously is mother is priority A, B and C but he’s also a professional basketball player. It’s just odd that we’ve basically heard nothing from Smart at all virtually all offseason given his motor and style of play
There has to be concern that once Smart gets his contract, he will put weight back on and possibly regress. I prefer him coming in hungry on his 1-year option than on a cushy 4-year overpaid deal.
Homerclease wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Homerclease wrote:We see all these reports and videos of guys working out and getting better. Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Semi, Bird, Theis and Hayward on rehab. Where are the Marcus Smart videos of him in the gym working on his craft? He’s not in his 30’s like Al Horford. Radio silence in terms of actual basketball from the Smart camp
In fairness Marcus Smart has a really big issue going on in his life right now.
Oh absolutely. But it didn’t stop him from going to Vegas to meet with his agent. Obviously is mother is priority A, B and C but he’s also a professional basketball player. It’s just odd that we’ve basically heard nothing from Smart at all virtually all offseason given his motor and style of play
Bohemian wrote:Bill Bradley wrote:Homerclease wrote:Oh absolutely. But it didn’t stop him from going to Vegas to meet with his agent. Obviously is mother is priority A, B and C but he’s also a professional basketball player. It’s just odd that we’ve basically heard nothing from Smart at all virtually all offseason given his motor and style of play
There has to be concern that once Smart gets his contract, he will put weight back on and possibly regress. I prefer him coming in hungry on his 1-year option than on a cushy 4-year overpaid deal.
If he signs the QO he will be out of Boston next summer and if I am not wrong, he can´t be traded.
Bohemian wrote:Bill Bradley wrote:Homerclease wrote:Oh absolutely. But it didn’t stop him from going to Vegas to meet with his agent. Obviously is mother is priority A, B and C but he’s also a professional basketball player. It’s just odd that we’ve basically heard nothing from Smart at all virtually all offseason given his motor and style of play
There has to be concern that once Smart gets his contract, he will put weight back on and possibly regress. I prefer him coming in hungry on his 1-year option than on a cushy 4-year overpaid deal.
If he signs the QO he will be out of Boston next summer and if I am not wrong, he can´t be traded.
Big Joke Line wrote:Fencer reregistered wrote:Big Joke Line wrote:This is so wrong i dont know where to start. Bill Walton was 6th man in 86. Vinnie Johnson was 6th man for the Bad Boy Pistons and some times Dantley. No championship team I can remeber had 6th man worse than Smart. I give up.
Who was sixth man for the Heat (either incarnation)? For the Cavs? For the Rockets? Those are some candidates who come to mind.
Actually, who was the sixth man for last month's Warriors?
For that matter, how do your rank Smart against James Posey, Eddie House or -- and he has to be included to be fair -- Kendrick Perkins?
Fair enough and not sure it's apples to apples but I also don't remember so much hand wringing over any of them. Perk probably isn't comparable in any way so lets throw that out. I'd say in terms of what them bring (even though different strengths) I'd say they're about even in my mind. I do remember hating letting Posey go and thinking it hurt them.
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:BruceBanner18 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Preach!
Is anyone not happy with Smart at 1/6? That is a great team friendly deal. I'm glad Ainge hasn't been forced to make a decision bc I think Smart is really valuable supporting piece to our championship hopes next year...
It is and at the right price Smart is worth keeping. Anything over 10 or 11m is an overpay.