OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[GONYK]

Todd McShay has Sanders going after Dart and Milroe going in the 1st (to the Giants) in his latest mock.

[TerrenceClarke]

Todd McShay has Sanders going after Dart and Milroe going in the 1st (to the Giants) in his latest mock.

At this point it has to be a troll. Milroe a better prospect than Sanders? It’s def starting to look smearish by the media.

Nobody with a straight face can tell me that Giants trade back into the first for Milroe and pass up SS.

[mpharris36]

Todd McShay has Sanders going after Dart and Milroe going in the 1st (to the Giants) in his latest mock.

At this point it has to be a troll. Milroe a better prospect than Sanders? It’s def starting to look smearish.

Nobody with a straight face can tell me that Giants trade back into the first for Milroe and pass up SS.

no you misread

he had Dart going 9 to New Orleans

he had CLE trading up to 15 to get Sanders

he had Giants trading up to 24 to get Milroe

[TerrenceClarke]

Todd McShay has Sanders going after Dart and Milroe going in the 1st (to the Giants) in his latest mock.

At this point it has to be a troll. Milroe a better prospect than Sanders? It’s def starting to look smearish.

Nobody with a straight face can tell me that Giants trade back into the first for Milroe and pass up SS.

no you misread

he had Dart going 9 to New Orleans

he had CLE trading up to 15 to get Sanders

he had Giants trading up to 24 to get Milroe

Either way thanks for the clarification. I was like this has to be a smear campaign.

Come on MPH don’t tell me you jacking trading back up for Milroe. You telling me we can’t do better?

[mpharris36]

At this point it has to be a troll. Milroe a better prospect than Sanders? It’s def starting to look smearish.

Nobody with a straight face can tell me that Giants trade back into the first for Milroe and pass up SS.

no you misread

he had Dart going 9 to New Orleans

he had CLE trading up to 15 to get Sanders

he had Giants trading up to 24 to get Milroe

Did I misread or did GO write it wrong. Either I’m bugging but I read it as he sanders goes after Milroe.

Either way thanks for the clarification. I was like this has to be a smear campaign.

Come on MPH don’t tell me you jacking trading back up for Milroe. You telling me we can’t do better?

What I want:

Hunter or Carter whoever drops to #3. After that I personally would just wait on QB probably until next year...but if the Giants were going to go the QB route taking a risk on Milroe if they had to walk away with selling the owner and fanbase they got a QB I could at least understand. His running tule is as good as you are going to get and he throws a really accurate and strong deep ball (two things Daboll values). Like you said he simply is not a contributor year 1 unless its more of a wildcat/redzone rushing type situation which alone is a bit interesting because of how we have struggled in the red zone so much this at minimum would give defensive something to worry about.

But he is not an NFL qb right now (which there is value to having two vets in Russ and Winston that he wouldn't have to play). So I probably would just get another contributor at 34 and wait till round 3 maybe is Tyler Shough falls into the 3rd round if I needed to sell the fan base on a "shot in the dark QB".

Watch on YouTube

;list=PL0Y27745lOvhaAEOypUl4-vDT7g42uLSG

this is an interesting breakdown of the QB's...Bobby says the same thing if you can get 60% of Milroe potential he can be a good QB (he has the highest ceiling)...but there is a good chance he also becomes unplayable because he has **** footwork and misses even the easiest throws right now.

I would be lying if I wasn't tantalized by the traits...his mobility and strong arm. But I also see the other end and say this could also be a complete throwaway pick as well.

[TerrenceClarke]

no you misread

he had Dart going 9 to New Orleans

he had CLE trading up to 15 to get Sanders

he had Giants trading up to 24 to get Milroe

Did I misread or did GO write it wrong. Either I’m bugging but I read it as he sanders goes after Milroe.

Either way thanks for the clarification. I was like this has to be a smear campaign.

Come on MPH don’t tell me you jacking trading back up for Milroe. You telling me we can’t do better?

What I want:

Hunter or Carter whoever drops to #3. After that I personally would just wait on QB probably until next year...but if the Giants were going to go the QB route taking a risk on Milroe if they had to walk away with selling the owner and fanbase they got a QB I could at least understand. His running tule is as good as you are going to get and he throws a really accurate and strong deep ball (two things Daboll values). Like you said he simply is not a contributor year 1 unless its more of a wildcat/redzone rushing type situation which alone is a bit interesting because of how we have struggled in the red zone so much this at minimum would give defensive something to worry about.

But he is not an NFL qb right now (which there is value to having two vets in Russ and Winston that he wouldn't have to play). So I probably would just get another contributor at 34 and wait till round 3 maybe is Tyler Shough falls into the 3rd round if I needed to sell the fan base on a "shot in the dark QB".

Watch on YouTube

;list=PL0Y27745lOvhaAEOypUl4-vDT7g42uLSG

this is an interesting breakdown of the QB's...Bobby says the same thing if you can get 60% of Milroe potential he can be a good QB (he has the highest ceiling)...but there is a good chance he also becomes unplayable because he has **** footwork and misses even the easiest throws right now.

I would be lying if I wasn't tantalized by the traits...his mobility and strong arm. But I also see the other end and say this could also be a complete throwaway pick as well.

Okay. You not crazy

Im not feeling any of these dudes to be honest. We better off punting and hoping we can get a developmental next year. I dont see us in the running for the top picks, but I would think there is a better QB with a 1st round grade for us.

Drafting a 25 yr old QB in the the third is nasty work. I still think there is value to be had even in the third vs a dude like that.

[mpharris36]

Did I misread or did GO write it wrong. Either I’m bugging but I read it as he sanders goes after Milroe.

Either way thanks for the clarification. I was like this has to be a smear campaign.

Come on MPH don’t tell me you jacking trading back up for Milroe. You telling me we can’t do better?

What I want:

Hunter or Carter whoever drops to #3. After that I personally would just wait on QB probably until next year...but if the Giants were going to go the QB route taking a risk on Milroe if they had to walk away with selling the owner and fanbase they got a QB I could at least understand. His running tule is as good as you are going to get and he throws a really accurate and strong deep ball (two things Daboll values). Like you said he simply is not a contributor year 1 unless its more of a wildcat/redzone rushing type situation which alone is a bit interesting because of how we have struggled in the red zone so much this at minimum would give defensive something to worry about.

But he is not an NFL qb right now (which there is value to having two vets in Russ and Winston that he wouldn't have to play). So I probably would just get another contributor at 34 and wait till round 3 maybe is Tyler Shough falls into the 3rd round if I needed to sell the fan base on a "shot in the dark QB".

Watch on YouTube

;list=PL0Y27745lOvhaAEOypUl4-vDT7g42uLSG

this is an interesting breakdown of the QB's...Bobby says the same thing if you can get 60% of Milroe potential he can be a good QB (he has the highest ceiling)...but there is a good chance he also becomes unplayable because he has **** footwork and misses even the easiest throws right now.

I would be lying if I wasn't tantalized by the traits...his mobility and strong arm. But I also see the other end and say this could also be a complete throwaway pick as well.

Okay. You not crazy

Im not feeling any of these dudes to be honest. We better off punting and hoping we can get a developmental next year. I dont see us in the running for the top picks, but I would think there is a better QB with a 1st round grade for us.

Drafting a 25 yr old QB in the the third is nasty work. I still think there is value to be had even in the third vs a dude like that.

I don't have to appease an owner so I am with you picking a QB in the middle of the draft is usually a prayer and not very successful they are only like a handful of times it has worked out.

You throw on Milroe's tape vs Georgia and your like this guy is a stud.

27/33 for 374 yards 2 TDs in the air then 16 carries for 117 on the ground and 2 TD's...nearly 500 yards of offense alone vs an elite college team with a bunch of NFL prospects...its tantalizing. But then you watch a game like Tennessee or Oklahoma and say when he's gets behind and everyone knows he has to throw its can be brutal to watch.

Can coaching raise his floor so his bad games aren't that bad? Is there a chance he can be a Jalen Hurts? Is that worth at least consideration?

I'm just saying if you got your blue chipper at #3 (Hunter or Carter). Then per most mocks Sanders and Dart are off the board before the 20's...and you gotta pick a QB (not saying you have to but you know the owner basically forcing you too). I would probably go Milroe out of the rest of the available guys just because even if its a small chance if there is any bit of Josh Allen, Lamar, Hurts in Milroe game I can understand at least taking a chance. Can Daboll develop him since he has worked with Allen and Hurts...are there things he sees that Saben also saw. I fully admit he probably has way more likelihood of being terrible then being great...but you gotta admit some of the stuff your like this dude with any semblance of an ability to make the layups and easy throws he could be a gameplanning nightmare for defenses.

If it doesn't work out you are in the draft next year under a new regime and them picking a new QB anyway.

[GONYK]

Milroe or Shough shouldn't be considered before our later 2nd round pick. It makes more sense to pass on QBs altogether if you take them before then. This draft is too deep in too many other positions.

We also shouldn't be trading back up into the first round for any QB. If it costs you a future first or multiple 2nds and 3rds then you might as well have just drafted the guy at 3.

Bottomline, don't force a QB unless the player falls to you.

[TerrenceClarke]

What I want:

Hunter or Carter whoever drops to #3. After that I personally would just wait on QB probably until next year...but if the Giants were going to go the QB route taking a risk on Milroe if they had to walk away with selling the owner and fanbase they got a QB I could at least understand. His running tule is as good as you are going to get and he throws a really accurate and strong deep ball (two things Daboll values). Like you said he simply is not a contributor year 1 unless its more of a wildcat/redzone rushing type situation which alone is a bit interesting because of how we have struggled in the red zone so much this at minimum would give defensive something to worry about.

But he is not an NFL qb right now (which there is value to having two vets in Russ and Winston that he wouldn't have to play). So I probably would just get another contributor at 34 and wait till round 3 maybe is Tyler Shough falls into the 3rd round if I needed to sell the fan base on a "shot in the dark QB".

Watch on YouTube

;list=PL0Y27745lOvhaAEOypUl4-vDT7g42uLSG

this is an interesting breakdown of the QB's...Bobby says the same thing if you can get 60% of Milroe potential he can be a good QB (he has the highest ceiling)...but there is a good chance he also becomes unplayable because he has **** footwork and misses even the easiest throws right now.

I would be lying if I wasn't tantalized by the traits...his mobility and strong arm. But I also see the other end and say this could also be a complete throwaway pick as well.

Okay. You not crazy

Im not feeling any of these dudes to be honest. We better off punting and hoping we can get a developmental next year. I dont see us in the running for the top picks, but I would think there is a better QB with a 1st round grade for us.

Drafting a 25 yr old QB in the the third is nasty work. I still think there is value to be had even in the third vs a dude like that.

I don't have to appease an owner so I am with you picking a QB in the middle of the draft is usually a prayer and not very successful they are only like a handful of times it has worked out.

You throw on Milroe's tape vs Georgia and your like this guy is a stud.

27/33 for 374 yards 2 TDs in the air then 16 carries for 117 on the ground and 2 TD's...nearly 500 yards of offense alone vs an elite college team with a bunch of NFL prospects...its tantalizing. But then you watch a game like Tennessee or Oklahoma and say when he's gets behind and everyone knows he has to throw its can be brutal to watch.

Can coaching raise his floor so his bad games aren't that bad? Is there a chance he can be a Jalen Hurts? Is that worth at least consideration?

I'm just saying if you got your blue chipper at #3 (Hunter or Carter). Then per most mocks Sanders and Dart are off the board before the 20's...and you gotta pick a QB (not saying you have to but you know the owner basically forcing you too). I would probably go Milroe out of the rest of the available guys just because even if its a small chance if there is any bit of Josh Allen, Lamar, Hurts in Milroe game I can understand at least taking a chance. Can Daboll develop him since he has worked with Allen and Hurts...are there things he sees that Saben also saw. I fully admit he probably has way more likelihood of being terrible then being great...but you gotta admit some of the stuff your like this dude with any semblance of an ability to make the layups and easy throws he could be a gameplanning nightmare for defenses.

If it doesn't work out you are in the draft next year under a new regime and them picking a new QB anyway.

Allen and Hurts had much higher floors than that dude so of course Daboll had something to work with.

I just finished that Video you posted and Bobby said dude has some of the worst footwork he ever saw, he even mentioned Malik Willis like I did earlier. Malik Willis has no path of being a Starter and he got drafted years ago and I actually think Willis was a better propsect.

If you a forced to pick a QB.... sure I get it. But thats just a recipe for disaster.

QBs like him need a whole coaching staff to dedicate time to him and I just cant see it where that energy is coming from. Sitting for a year dont mean much as this dude been playing QB for years at this point, and he still garbage. If he had a QB High FLoor I could understand, but his actual QB floor is mad low as it stands.

If Malik Willis is going nowhere I dont see how Milroe is going any where.

[TerrenceClarke]

Milroe or Shough shouldn't be considered before our later 2nd round pick. It makes more sense to pass on QBs altogether if you take them before then. This draft is too deep in too many other positions.

We also shouldn't be trading back up into the first round for any QB. If it costs you a future first or multiple 2nds and 3rds then you might as well have just drafted the guy at 3.

Bottomline, don't force a QB unless the player falls to you.

Ok you not crazy either.

I thought all of ya was jumping off the deep end for a min

[mpharris36]

Milroe or Shough shouldn't be considered before our later 2nd round pick. It makes more sense to pass on QBs altogether if you take them before then. This draft is too deep in too many other positions.

We also shouldn't be trading back up into the first round for any QB. If it costs you a future first or multiple 2nds and 3rds then you might as well have just drafted the guy at 3.

Bottomline, don't force a QB unless the player falls to you.

thats the issue though your probably just miss out on the QB's if you aren't "aggressive" enough to get someone you like. They typically go earlier than where they should...just the nature of the beast because all it takes is for one team to believe.

A small trade up to get the 5th year in the late first would nearly cost you a 1 or even future 2. Probably a 3 to move up from 34 would be realistic IMO. If you wanted to go down that route.

I know the Rams brought in Milroe and maybe they are considering him with there late 1st...they wouldn't have to play him for a couple years behind stafford and he would have a great offensive mind to work with. Milroe needs to sit and learn. In theory our situation isn't terrible for him with having 2 vets in front of him. But its all about the cost and where you have to take him. But if you like him there is not chance you can wait until the 3rd round to get him.

[MrDollarBills]

no you misread

he had Dart going 9 to New Orleans

he had CLE trading up to 15 to get Sanders

he had Giants trading up to 24 to get Milroe

Did I misread or did GO write it wrong. Either I’m bugging but I read it as he sanders goes after Milroe.

Either way thanks for the clarification. I was like this has to be a smear campaign.

Come on MPH don’t tell me you jacking trading back up for Milroe. You telling me we can’t do better?

What I want:

Hunter or Carter whoever drops to #3. After that I personally would just wait on QB probably until next year...but if the Giants were going to go the QB route taking a risk on Milroe if they had to walk away with selling the owner and fanbase they got a QB I could at least understand. His running tule is as good as you are going to get and he throws a really accurate and strong deep ball (two things Daboll values). Like you said he simply is not a contributor year 1 unless its more of a wildcat/redzone rushing type situation which alone is a bit interesting because of how we have struggled in the red zone so much this at minimum would give defensive something to worry about.

But he is not an NFL qb right now (which there is value to having two vets in Russ and Winston that he wouldn't have to play). So I probably would just get another contributor at 34 and wait till round 3 maybe is Tyler Shough falls into the 3rd round if I needed to sell the fan base on a "shot in the dark QB".

Watch on YouTube

;list=PL0Y27745lOvhaAEOypUl4-vDT7g42uLSG

this is an interesting breakdown of the QB's...Bobby says the same thing if you can get 60% of Milroe potential he can be a good QB (he has the highest ceiling)...but there is a good chance he also becomes unplayable because he has **** footwork and misses even the easiest throws right now.

I would be lying if I wasn't tantalized by the traits...his mobility and strong arm. But I also see the other end and say this could also be a complete throwaway pick as well.

Unrelated but I'm so glad Skinner has his own channel now. He was the only reason I would watch Talkin Giants videos

[MrDollarBills]

Also outside of trading back up into the first to draft Shedeur, why are we even linked to any other QBs?

Draft Hunter or Carter, draft BPA rounds 2 and 3.

[GONYK]

Milroe or Shough shouldn't be considered before our later 2nd round pick. It makes more sense to pass on QBs altogether if you take them before then. This draft is too deep in too many other positions.

We also shouldn't be trading back up into the first round for any QB. If it costs you a future first or multiple 2nds and 3rds then you might as well have just drafted the guy at 3.

Bottomline, don't force a QB unless the player falls to you.

thats the issue though your probably just miss out on the QB's if you aren't "aggressive" enough to get someone you like. They typically go earlier than where they should...just the nature of the beast because all it takes is for one team to believe.

A small trade up to get the 5th year in the late first would nearly cost you a 1 or even future 2. Probably a 3 to move up from 34 would be realistic IMO. If you wanted to go down that route.

I know the Rams brought in Milroe and maybe they are considering him with there late 1st...they wouldn't have to play him for a couple years behind stafford and he would have a great offensive mind to work with. Milroe needs to sit and learn. In theory our situation isn't terrible for him with having 2 vets in front of him. But its all about the cost and where you have to take him. But if you like him there is not chance you can wait until the 3rd round to get him.

I'm not hiding the fact that I like Milroe, but I only like him at a certain price. A deal that involves 3 picks to get Milroe just doesn't make sense to me unless you're able to spin #3 into additional draft capital. But then that doesn't make sense to do either just to end up with players who are all varying degrees of not "blue chip" and Milroe.

That's why I think the smartest play is to just pass on QB. Advance scouting into next has to be a part of the process.

I know the response will be that Schoen and Daboll don't know if they will be here next year, but f*ck them

Other than Ward, does anyone think there is a SB winning QB in this draft?

[mpharris36]

Okay. You not crazy

Im not feeling any of these dudes to be honest. We better off punting and hoping we can get a developmental next year. I dont see us in the running for the top picks, but I would think there is a better QB with a 1st round grade for us.

Drafting a 25 yr old QB in the the third is nasty work. I still think there is value to be had even in the third vs a dude like that.

I don't have to appease an owner so I am with you picking a QB in the middle of the draft is usually a prayer and not very successful they are only like a handful of times it has worked out.

You throw on Milroe's tape vs Georgia and your like this guy is a stud.

27/33 for 374 yards 2 TDs in the air then 16 carries for 117 on the ground and 2 TD's...nearly 500 yards of offense alone vs an elite college team with a bunch of NFL prospects...its tantalizing. But then you watch a game like Tennessee or Oklahoma and say when he's gets behind and everyone knows he has to throw its can be brutal to watch.

Can coaching raise his floor so his bad games aren't that bad? Is there a chance he can be a Jalen Hurts? Is that worth at least consideration?

I'm just saying if you got your blue chipper at #3 (Hunter or Carter). Then per most mocks Sanders and Dart are off the board before the 20's...and you gotta pick a QB (not saying you have to but you know the owner basically forcing you too). I would probably go Milroe out of the rest of the available guys just because even if its a small chance if there is any bit of Josh Allen, Lamar, Hurts in Milroe game I can understand at least taking a chance. Can Daboll develop him since he has worked with Allen and Hurts...are there things he sees that Saben also saw. I fully admit he probably has way more likelihood of being terrible then being great...but you gotta admit some of the stuff your like this dude with any semblance of an ability to make the layups and easy throws he could be a gameplanning nightmare for defenses.

If it doesn't work out you are in the draft next year under a new regime and them picking a new QB anyway.

Allen and Hurts had much higher floors than that dude so of course Daboll had something to work with.

I just finished that Video you posted and Bobby said dude has some of the worst footwork he ever saw, he even mentioned Malik Willis like I did earlier. Malik Willis has no path of being a Starter and he got drafted years ago and I actually think Willis was a better propsect.

If you a forced to pick a QB.... sure I get it. But thats just a recipe for disaster.

QBs like him need a whole coaching staff to dedicate time to him and I just cant see it where that energy is coming from. Sitting for a year dont mean much as this dude been playing QB for years at this point, and he still garbage. If he had a QB High FLoor I could understand, but his actual QB floor is mad low as it stands.

If Malik Willis is going nowhere I dont see how Milroe is going any where.

No denying he can turn out to be Malik Willis. Now I will say Willis looks like he can be a more than solid backup as he continues to develop now that he is with a legit HC that knows how to develop QBs...when Willis played for GB this year he looked ok. The TEN fit just was ass for him.

And there is certainly less of a leap for a player playing in the SEC than Liberty. Like when Willis played Ole Miss his last year he couldn't move the ball. He was having big games Troy, UMASS, and North Texas. I would feel a bit better Milroe has had good games against Georgia/LSU ect.

And yes Allen and Hurts sure had a higher floor because they were better passers. So agreed. I do think foot work can be worked on. If there is no pressure to play year 1 he just works and learns from Russ and Winston and with QB coach.

Watch on YouTube

I was watching this guys breakdown and he played QB as a backup in the NFL. Says he's raw and there is a lot to work on but footwork if correctable...if you are patient he can be a player.

[mpharris36]

Milroe or Shough shouldn't be considered before our later 2nd round pick. It makes more sense to pass on QBs altogether if you take them before then. This draft is too deep in too many other positions.

We also shouldn't be trading back up into the first round for any QB. If it costs you a future first or multiple 2nds and 3rds then you might as well have just drafted the guy at 3.

Bottomline, don't force a QB unless the player falls to you.

thats the issue though your probably just miss out on the QB's if you aren't "aggressive" enough to get someone you like. They typically go earlier than where they should...just the nature of the beast because all it takes is for one team to believe.

A small trade up to get the 5th year in the late first would nearly cost you a 1 or even future 2. Probably a 3 to move up from 34 would be realistic IMO. If you wanted to go down that route.

I know the Rams brought in Milroe and maybe they are considering him with there late 1st...they wouldn't have to play him for a couple years behind stafford and he would have a great offensive mind to work with. Milroe needs to sit and learn. In theory our situation isn't terrible for him with having 2 vets in front of him. But its all about the cost and where you have to take him. But if you like him there is not chance you can wait until the 3rd round to get him.

I'm not hiding the fact that I like Milroe, but I only like him at a certain price. A deal that involves 3 picks to get Milroe just doesn't make sense to me unless you're able to spin #3 into additional draft capital. But then that doesn't make sense to do either just to end up with players who are all varying degrees of not "blue chip" and Milroe.

That's why I think the smartest play is to just pass on QB. Advance scouting into next has to be a part of the process.

I know the response will be that Schoen and Daboll don't know if they will be here next year, but f*ck them

I hear ya...I'm trying to understand from what I would do from what I also expect the Giants to do based on there situation.

Sounds like from everyone in terms of the reporters to Bobby Skinner and other they will be picking a QB at some point...it just depends when...so I am prepping my self for when we go after a QB. What I'm saying with at least Milroe maybe I can believe for a year or 2 while he develops. It certainly has way more chance to fail than succeed but the traits are tantilizing like I said so I can at least route for him to develop. I just know they are picking a QB.

Also its not missing a QB at #3 either which makes me feel better if we do end up taking a risk with our 2nd pick. Because I know I got a bluechipper at #3

I guess I'm just bracing myself for it.

[mpharris36]

Also outside of trading back up into the first to draft Shedeur, why are we even linked to any other QBs?

Draft Hunter or Carter, draft BPA rounds 2 and 3.

is that a rhetorical question?

[MrDollarBills]

Also outside of trading back up into the first to draft Shedeur, why are we even linked to any other QBs?

Draft Hunter or Carter, draft BPA rounds 2 and 3.

is that a rhetorical question?

*QBs aside from Ward/Sanders

[TerrenceClarke]

I don't have to appease an owner so I am with you picking a QB in the middle of the draft is usually a prayer and not very successful they are only like a handful of times it has worked out.

You throw on Milroe's tape vs Georgia and your like this guy is a stud.

27/33 for 374 yards 2 TDs in the air then 16 carries for 117 on the ground and 2 TD's...nearly 500 yards of offense alone vs an elite college team with a bunch of NFL prospects...its tantalizing. But then you watch a game like Tennessee or Oklahoma and say when he's gets behind and everyone knows he has to throw its can be brutal to watch.

Can coaching raise his floor so his bad games aren't that bad? Is there a chance he can be a Jalen Hurts? Is that worth at least consideration?

I'm just saying if you got your blue chipper at #3 (Hunter or Carter). Then per most mocks Sanders and Dart are off the board before the 20's...and you gotta pick a QB (not saying you have to but you know the owner basically forcing you too). I would probably go Milroe out of the rest of the available guys just because even if its a small chance if there is any bit of Josh Allen, Lamar, Hurts in Milroe game I can understand at least taking a chance. Can Daboll develop him since he has worked with Allen and Hurts...are there things he sees that Saben also saw. I fully admit he probably has way more likelihood of being terrible then being great...but you gotta admit some of the stuff your like this dude with any semblance of an ability to make the layups and easy throws he could be a gameplanning nightmare for defenses.

If it doesn't work out you are in the draft next year under a new regime and them picking a new QB anyway.

Allen and Hurts had much higher floors than that dude so of course Daboll had something to work with.

I just finished that Video you posted and Bobby said dude has some of the worst footwork he ever saw, he even mentioned Malik Willis like I did earlier. Malik Willis has no path of being a Starter and he got drafted years ago and I actually think Willis was a better propsect.

If you a forced to pick a QB.... sure I get it. But thats just a recipe for disaster.

QBs like him need a whole coaching staff to dedicate time to him and I just cant see it where that energy is coming from. Sitting for a year dont mean much as this dude been playing QB for years at this point, and he still garbage. If he had a QB High FLoor I could understand, but his actual QB floor is mad low as it stands.

If Malik Willis is going nowhere I dont see how Milroe is going any where.

No denying he can turn out to be Malik Willis. Now I will say Willis looks like he can be a more than solid backup as he continues to develop now that he is with a legit HC that knows how to develop QBs...when Willis played for GB this year he looked ok. The TEN fit just was ass for him.

And there is certainly less of a leap for a player playing in the SEC than Liberty. Like when Willis played Ole Miss his last year he couldn't move the ball. He was having big games Troy, UMASS, and North Texas. I would feel a bit better Milroe has had good games against Georgia/LSU ect.

And yes Allen and Hurts sure had a higher floor because they were better passers. So agreed. I do think foot work can be worked on. If there is no pressure to play year 1 he just works and learns from Russ and Winston and with QB coach.

Watch on YouTube

I was watching this guys breakdown and he played QB as a backup in the NFL. Says he's raw and there is a lot to work on but footwork if correctable...if you are patient he can be a player.

he wont uproot Jordan Love tho. So at that point all he is a back up QB for the foreseeable future. Patience is a virtue that i dont think the Giants have.

Cause if this regime get canned. I cant see the next regime putting any stock into him either since as you say....

"They didnt pick him"

I think you have to gamble if he will be there and draft him lower. 34 is way to high for my blood. Thats a better gamble than picking him high and hoping he pans out.

regardless of what I want....

I will say the odds of Giants picking him around the top of the second round is high as hell. They need the pick to quiet the chatter than the Giants dont have a future QB on the roster.

Keeping Daboll and Schoen I feel will set this franchise back some years. Smh. Mara should of just reset.

Cause lets be real. If they have a decent year and they dont get canned they will have be perfect from here on out and ascend every year cause any failures after this year they right back on the hot seat again.

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Also outside of trading back up into the first to draft Shedeur, why are we even linked to any other QBs?

Draft Hunter or Carter, draft BPA rounds 2 and 3.

is that a rhetorical question?

*QBs aside from Ward/Sanders

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he is visiting the Giants today with Abdul Carter. I think some are just connecting the dots that a daboll system of RPO's and taking deep shots kinda fits what Milroe does best and we can sit him all year in our situation.

Its still a long shot because he just isn't ready to play QB at the NFL level right now so its certainly a big gamble.