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Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

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Post#1601 » by MiamiSPX » Yesterday 2:21 pm

Thaddy wrote:Scottie's 1/10 on his last 10 shots from 3. That's a little concerning. It seems like his hot streak is coming to a screeching halt.


More palatable when the team is winning and many American media outlets are talking about him for All-Defensive.
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Post#1602 » by Thaddy » Yesterday 2:24 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:Still extremely happy with him, he's making winning plays, and doesn't need to take many shots to be effective. Very obvious he's best suited as a #2 or #3 scoring option, but a guy that can do it all.

Defense has been elite, passing has been elite, his mid-range shot looks improved and efficient, and he's a monster in the paint.

He's 22nd in the league in Win Shares, 20th in the league in Box Plus Minus, and 15th in the league in VORP...so his impact has been all-star level.

The box score doesn't reflect his true impact. If his offense was slightly better he'd be the best player on our team by very far. I'd still have him at the top now. It feels like his defense could be better utilized as a help defender. I don't love seeing him being the POA defender.

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Thaddy wrote:Scottie's 1/10 on his last 10 shots from 3. That's a little concerning. It seems like his hot streak is coming to a screeching halt.


Just have to hope he shoots 35% from distance.

He's still at 38%, it shows how hot he was earlier this year.

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Thaddy wrote:Scottie's 1/10 on his last 10 shots from 3. That's a little concerning. It seems like his hot streak is coming to a screeching halt.


More palatable when the team is winning and many American media outlets are talking about him for All-Defensive.

I find it crazy how casual NBA fans love Mobley and drag Barnes through the dirt. Mobley would struggle just as bad as a first option. We saw that while they were hit with injuries.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1603 » by TheGeneral99 » Yesterday 2:25 pm

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TheGeneral99 wrote:Still extremely happy with him, he's making winning plays, and doesn't need to take many shots to be effective. Very obvious he's best suited as a #2 or #3 scoring option, but a guy that can do it all.

Defense has been elite, passing has been elite, his mid-range shot looks improved and efficient, and he's a monster in the paint.

He's 22nd in the league in Win Shares, 20th in the league in Box Plus Minus, and 15th in the league in VORP...so his impact has been all-star level.

The box score doesn't reflect his true impact. If his offense was slightly better he'd be the best player on our team by very far. I'd still have him at the top now. It feels like his defense could be better utilized as a help defender. I don't love seeing him being the POA defender.

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Thaddy wrote:Scottie's 1/10 on his last 10 shots from 3. That's a little concerning. It seems like his hot streak is coming to a screeching halt.


Just have to hope he shoots 35% from distance.

He's still at 38%, it shows how hot he was earlier this year.

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Thaddy wrote:Scottie's 1/10 on his last 10 shots from 3. That's a little concerning. It seems like his hot streak is coming to a screeching halt.


More palatable when the team is winning and many American media outlets are talking about him for All-Defensive.

I find it crazy how casual NBA fans love Mobley and drag Barnes through the dirt. Mobley would struggle just as bad as a first option. We saw that while they were hit with injuries.


He is our best player - I'm just saying he's best suited offensively as the #2 or #3 option...but overall in terms of impact he's our most important piece.
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Post#1605 » by TheAlchemist23 » Today 2:29 am

Since shooting 9FTs vs Indy, Scottie put up two goose eggs against Charlotte and Philadelphia

FTr at career low .211
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Post#1606 » by ATLTimekeeper » Today 1:27 pm

TheAlchemist23 wrote:Since shooting 9FTs vs Indy, Scottie put up two goose eggs against Charlotte and Philadelphia

FTr at career low .211


He doesn't have the respect of the league, but he's often blowing his first attempt off the dribble in the paint and getting the putback. Currently 39% off drives, which is like what Dennis Schroeder is doing. Completely anomalous for someone that size.

He's also about 100 points lower from 3-10 feet than last year. I think that there's a lot of improvement left for him within this season and if the Raptors remain in a playoff spot he'll be our All-Star rep.
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Post#1607 » by HiJiNX » 45 minutes ago

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TheAlchemist23 wrote:Since shooting 9FTs vs Indy, Scottie put up two goose eggs against Charlotte and Philadelphia

FTr at career low .211


He doesn't have the respect of the league, but he's often blowing his first attempt off the dribble in the paint and getting the putback. Currently 39% off drives, which is like what Dennis Schroeder is doing. Completely anomalous for someone that size.

He's also about 100 points lower from 3-10 feet than last year. I think that there's a lot of improvement left for him within this season and if the Raptors remain in a playoff spot he'll be our All-Star rep.

Yeah I think there’s a lot of development left for him in general. He’s still fairly raw with respect to putting the ball in the net — shooting with an hand in his face and finishing with defenders around him — and handling the ball in tight spaces.

He has not mastered some basic basketball fundamentals yet. It’s amazing how far he’s gotten based off physical talent and instincts. He’s got the fundamentals of a high school senior.

Anyway, nobody is leaving him open anymore and we aren’t passing it to him the few times he is open anymore, so I think that’s why his 3 point percentage is dropping. He’s got lots and lots more work to do in the next couple of off-seasons.
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Post#1608 » by ATLTimekeeper » 37 minutes ago

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TheAlchemist23 wrote:Since shooting 9FTs vs Indy, Scottie put up two goose eggs against Charlotte and Philadelphia

FTr at career low .211


He doesn't have the respect of the league, but he's often blowing his first attempt off the dribble in the paint and getting the putback. Currently 39% off drives, which is like what Dennis Schroeder is doing. Completely anomalous for someone that size.

He's also about 100 points lower from 3-10 feet than last year. I think that there's a lot of improvement left for him within this season and if the Raptors remain in a playoff spot he'll be our All-Star rep.

Yeah I think there’s a lot of development left for him in general. He’s still fairly raw with respect to putting the ball in the net — shooting with an hand in his face and finishing with defenders around him — and handling the ball in tight spaces.

He has not mastered some basic basketball fundamentals yet. It’s amazing how far he’s gotten based off physical talent and instincts. He’s got the fundamentals of a high school senior.

Anyway, nobody is leaving him open anymore and we aren’t passing it to him the few times he is open anymore, so I think that’s why his 3 point percentage is dropping. He’s got lots and lots more work to do in the next couple of off-seasons.


It's a little interesting that his childhood friend, Mogbo, also launches grenades in the paint. I think it probably comes from his development as an aspirational guard, and maybe he's neglected some of the big man skills. A guy like CMB has worked on his touch and already has poise under the basket that Scottie doesn't have yet. He was a big that stopped growing and had to work on his perimeter skills.

I do think some of it this year might be a more concerted effort to get to the rim, so he's actually doing what we need him to do but it might be exposing that weakness slightly. Darko does need another 'it's a crap' rant to get him some calls, though.
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Post#1609 » by HumbleRen » 36 minutes ago

It’s shame that he doesn’t seem to be able to be a 20 ppg guy if his 3’s aren’t falling.

Not sure he’ll ever be able to be a great driver or FT drawer with how rudimentary his ball handling ability is in tight spaces but he’s such an impactful player on the court that you can look the other way for now.
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Post#1610 » by anotherhomer » 14 minutes ago

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the takeaway i got from this, is that Barnes is a really good off-ball defender but also versatile on-ball defender guarding anyone from big guards, wings and small centers

he just can't guard the super centers like Jokic or Embiid, or the super speedy guards like maxey

On offense, ya....he is who he is...

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