Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[MagicBagley18]

It’s also not winning a ring if you move Hayward. That’s the disconnect here. We aren’t gonna make a trade to out center- philly who has embiid. We are not making a trade this year to get a player on giannis’s level. I don’t care about trading Hayward as I believe anyone can be traded.

this team isn’t a move away from a ring. If we got to the finals we will run into top 3 lebron and top 7 AD or the clippers with kawhi and pg. the path to a ring again, is massive leaps from Tatum and brown or trading them next summer for a superstar.

This is part of the reason why I’m not opposed to dealing him. We need the Jays to take a leap and I think were in the perfect situation to toss them into the fire and see what they do. Hopefully they develop, but if we dont see what we like then at least we know to we should look to trade em.

I understand but I don’t think hayward or smart are massively holding either back and truthfully if that was what this season was 100% about, then kemba never would or should have been signed

[BigTrade92]

Gallinari is having just as good, if not better, season than Hayward is on much less money.

We have no legit Center and we don’t have a prayer at stopping the front court of Philly or Milwaukee.

I don’t see any scenario where holding onto Hayward and pilfering through the buyout market changes any of that.

Team isn’t winning a title or just simply getting out of the East unless you move Hayward.

Even if you are correct that a Hayward trade gets us out of the East. ( I think we become a big iso team and get burned on the pick and roll-but I could be wrong!) I just hope we are going for the whole thing and not just thrilled with a Finals appearance. We all know this Laker and Clipper teams will not loon the same pretty soon.

You only have to play one of them.

I honestly don’t buy the hype on either LA team and don’t foresee either winning a title this year.

[MagicBagley18]

Yeah I disagree.

Drummond gives you the best chance at matching up against Philly and Milwaukee’s size and Gallinari can literally give you the same numbers as Hayward is giving you while improving your bench scoring dramatically. You’re also severely underestimating how moving Smart up to a starting role improves our backcourt defense.

This team most certainly is a move away from a ring. This year is an open book and anyone can win a title.

And I don’t care about the West until we’re in the Finals. At that point, between now and then, injuries and anything else can happen, just go ask Golden State and Toronto...

Well you’re right it is a move away from a ring.....a move for a superstar. Also if the goal is to win a ring and not just get to the finals, than you need a team that can compete with the team that will come out of the west. The point is to get to the finals and win it.

And if you get Drummond and Gallo to go with Tatum, Brown, Smart and Kemba, you most certainly can win a title against any team in the entire league.

no you won’t. Not even close

[100proof]

I get the appeal of Drummond, but you need to take a deeper look at what he actually brings as a player

PER36 his numbers are practically the same as Kanter, but his salary is more than 4x as much. Kanter is on another planet on offense, while being a similar player on defense. Lazy, horrible awareness and rotations. Gets you blocks, but historically they played better on defense when he was on the bench.

The only way we beat Philly is to win every other matchup, which I thought we would be able to do. We clearly **** the bed so far on that front

I fully agree, for the record. Not a fan of Drummond and he gets punked by Embiid regularly. His rebounding is overrated and he more steals his teammates rebounds than does he alter how a team rebounds. He’s an overrated defender, too, IMO.

I am a fan of his passing, but too often he tries to be a point center and ends up committing a stupid TO. Could he blow up on our team when he wouldnt have to focus on offense? Possibly, absolutely. I just personally would prefer something else.

Me thinking we trade Hayward =/= me wanting to trade Hayward.

Im not sold that drummond is the answer either, honestly, but a defensive center is.

Someone like Gobert for Hayward and this team is an instant championship contender.

**note, not speculating that gordon for gobert deal can happen

[Feed Your Head]

While i think we very well could trade Hayward, i sure as hell hope it's not for Drummond. Brad isn't going to "unlock" anything with him, he puts up hollow stats and is a pretty garbage man defender.

I'm in the same boat as SWC, I'm okay with trading him, but not because I think the return would help win a title this year. I don't see any realistic trade that makes them better than the Bucks. I think Hayward is still a fantastic player when he's right, just not sure how often that's going to be.

[K For Three]

It's soooo tough to get that super star. If you think you can't get him you can still maximize the potential of your current roster and hope for the best.

Giannis is likely not walking through our doors so......

[K For Three]

While i think we very well could trade Hayward, i sure as hell hope it's not for Drummond. Brad isn't going to "unlock" anything with him, he puts up hollow stats and is a pretty garbage man defender.

I'm in the same boat as SWC, I'm okay with trading him, but not because I think the return would help win a title this year. I don't see any realistic trade that makes them better than the Bucks. I think Hayward is still a fantastic player when he's right, just not sure how often that's going to be.

I'm not huge on Drummond either but I don't hate the guy or anything. I am not against the idea of him but not for him either if this makes sense.

Somehow the team needs to make a tweak though eventually and Danny Ainge knows you can't sustain things long term with Theis/Kanter as your main big men.

It's not going to be easy to cash in on that guy to put this team over the top but the roster could be balanced better to put them in a better position to get lucky in the postseason.

[BigTrade92]

Well you’re right it is a move away from a ring.....a move for a superstar. Also if the goal is to win a ring and not just get to the finals, than you need a team that can compete with the team that will come out of the west. The point is to get to the finals and win it.

And if you get Drummond and Gallo to go with Tatum, Brown, Smart and Kemba, you most certainly can win a title against any team in the entire league.

no you won’t. Not even close

I find your lack of faith disturbing. But hey, that’s cool if you want to be a plastic person.

At the end of the day though, if you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

So you swapped one extra year of Hayward for one extra year of Drummond. What’s lost exactly?

[Feed Your Head]

While i think we very well could trade Hayward, i sure as hell hope it's not for Drummond. Brad isn't going to "unlock" anything with him, he puts up hollow stats and is a pretty garbage man defender.

I'm in the same boat as SWC, I'm okay with trading him, but not because I think the return would help win a title this year. I don't see any realistic trade that makes them better than the Bucks. I think Hayward is still a fantastic player when he's right, just not sure how often that's going to be.

I'm not huge on Drummond either but I don't hate the guy or anything. I am not against the idea of him but not for him either if this makes sense.

Somehow the team needs to make a tweak though eventually and Danny Ainge knows you can't sustain things long term with Theis/Kanter as your main big men.

It's not going to be easy to cash in on that guy to put this team over the top but the roster could be balanced better to put them in a better position to get lucky in the postseason.

I trust Danny the trader, so if he makes a move for Drummond I will talk myself into him becoming a big impact player here, naturally. I just would prefer Myles Turner, but the Pacers seem intent on keeping him and Sabonis.

[SichtingLives]

It's very possible that the Ainge/Stevens combo doesn't have a championship ceiling. We cater our builds to Brad's system yet Brad's offensive system is still closer to an elite college model than that of an elite NBA structure. The idea that you're gonna put 3, 4 or 6 or 7 really good or great NBA players on one roster and they're all going to harmonically come together with no pecking order and leave their egos at the door just isn't realistic and I haven't seen anything since Stevens got here to suggest that his philosophy is ever going to change or that Ainge and ownership doesn't fully support it.

Our ownership stopped holding anyone accountable a long time ago. There is never heat on anyone on the management side to perform (nobody even caught a sniff of smoke over the years long bungling of our asset accumulation phase) and that collective comfort zone has led to good enough being good enough. Nothing will change here until that mentality is adjusted.

[GoGreen]

It's very possible that the Ainge/Stevens combo doesn't have a championship ceiling. We cater our builds to Brad's system yet Brad's offensive system is still closer to an elite college model than that of an elite NBA structure. The idea that you're gonna put 3, 4 or 6 or 7 really good or great NBA players on one roster and they're all going to harmonically come together with no pecking order and leave their egos at the door just isn't realistic and I haven't seen anything since Stevens got here to suggest that his philosophy is ever going to change or that Ainge and ownership doesn't fully support it.

Our ownership stopped holding anyone accountable a long time ago. There is never heat on anyone on the management side to perform (nobody even caught a sniff of smoke over the years long bungling of our asset accumulation phase) and that collective comfort zone has led to good enough being good enough. Nothing will change here until that mentality is adjusted.

You make some good points. Specifically about the FO being too comfortable. I think a culture around the Celtics has grown that suggests they shouldn't be criticized, and that you're overreacting if you do as such.

Danny hasn't felt the heat since 2006ish. Brad hasn't felt ANY heat. Patience is good, but at some point you gotta get the job done.

[Wes-J]

There's no team in the stratosphere of the championship winning Golden State Warriors this season. Now's the time to do a deal while they're down.

With the right trade a championship is attainable this season but unfortunately would have to come at the cost of Hayward, there's no way around it. Don't get me wrong I'm not necessarily for it, I'm just not sure without seeing more games with a full strength roster.

I have to admit we have a challenging mix of starters and often wonder if we might be better off with just three high usage types and use the savings of trading the fourth (Hayward) for a big and 6th man type. It's just hard to believe that Drummond would be a target for a hundred reasons.

[Scarletfire81]

I’m wondering how much value Hayward actually has because of his injury history and inconsistent play? For all we know Ainge is trying to move him for a star but there are no takers.

[MagicBagley18]

And if you get Drummond and Gallo to go with Tatum, Brown, Smart and Kemba, you most certainly can win a title against any team in the entire league.

no you won’t. Not even close

I find your lack of faith disturbing. But hey, that’s cool if you want to be a plastic person.

At the end of the day though, if you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

So you swapped one extra year of Hayward for one extra year of Drummond. What’s lost exactly?

Not plastic at all lord Vader. Plastic is placing your faith in gallo on a title contender and thinking Drummond who doesn’t fit anything we do at all is going to get you a ring. Oh btw disregarding the history of the nba that says not having a top 10 player doesn’t get you a ring.

Plastic people think we have to make a trade right now this year to win something that we can’t win. Trade trade trade in a major deal instead of getting a buyout candidate and a depth piece. That’s plastic.

the ring comes through Tatum and brown. Either developmentally or through a trade via them.

[Dannyboy36]

Gallinari is having just as good, if not better, season than Hayward is on much less money.

We have no legit Center and we don’t have a prayer at stopping the front court of Philly or Milwaukee.

I don’t see any scenario where holding onto Hayward and pilfering through the buyout market changes any of that.

Team isn’t winning a title or just simply getting out of the East unless you move Hayward.

Even if you are correct that a Hayward trade gets us out of the East. ( I think we become a big iso team and get burned on the pick and roll-but I could be wrong!) I just hope we are going for the whole thing and not just thrilled with a Finals appearance. We all know this Laker and Clipper teams will not loon the same pretty soon.

You only have to play one of them.

I honestly don’t buy the hype on either LA team and don’t foresee either winning a title this year.

I think the Lakers will likely trade Kuzma and get an upgrade there. They’re ALL about this year. Plus we know they’ll pick up a nice buyout. Plus even Boogie for all we know could give minutes. ( that’s maybe a long shot?). But the Clippers as well. These teams really should improve. I think the Clips are coasting.( maybe too much) but their talent is ridiculous and no guarantee but they’re looking to make a move for Baynes.
I just don’t think these teams will be bearable this year.

[snowman]

Quite frankly, this was suppose to be a rebuilding (sorta) year, to see where we stood after the Irving and Horford crap. Luckily we got Kemba for 4 years. We have gotten off to a really good start, despite injuries and I for one had in my mind raised the bar on what this year could be, and forgotten what it started out to be. I say, if we can tweak the back end of the roster to help the bench out, do it. But as far as the top 10 -11 players (Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Smart, Theis, Kanter, Langford, R.Williams, Wannamaker and G. Williams) lets see what we got and how far we can go. (I only include Wannamaker because he is a stable backup point for the playoffs, and G. Williams because I feel he will only get better)
We all would like to upgrade the 5 position, but Parrish is not walking through those doors. LOL After the season, we will have 3 picks, and we will know where they stand. Now, if by the trade deadline, we can turn Green, Edwards, Poirier, or Semi into an upgrade, using maybe our picks then so be it. But if it is not an upgrade that will carry over into next season, and not just a rental, then keep the picks. A older team, or a team with no picks could see a 3 for 1 upgrade with the picks get some traction this summer.

[K For Three]

no you won’t. Not even close

I find your lack of faith disturbing. But hey, that’s cool if you want to be a plastic person.

At the end of the day though, if you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

So you swapped one extra year of Hayward for one extra year of Drummond. What’s lost exactly?

Not plastic at all lord Vader. Plastic is placing your faith in gallo on a title contender and thinking Drummond who doesn’t fit anything we do at all is going to get you a ring. Oh btw disregarding the history of the nba that says not having a top 10 player doesn’t get you a ring.

Plastic people think we have to make a trade right now this year to win something that we can’t win. Trade trade trade in a major deal instead of getting a buyout candidate and a depth piece. That’s plastic.

the ring comes through Tatum and brown. Either developmentally or through a trade via them.

Even if nobody gets moved this year in a big trade I am OK with it but I still want to find some way to upgrade the big man situation. I don't even at times care who it is lol.

edit: I still believe in this years team to an extent, they could be a classic Brad Stevens over achieving squad that makes the ECF if they can finish up with the second seed.

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[captain green]

Andre drummond even if hollow stats 1 steal 1 block and double double every game I still think that Brad would get the best of out him and that would be kinda scary even if improved by 1%.
By having him the is and time lord could go to pf.
So we would need 21 mil at least to get him. We've played enough games with and without almost every player on team. If smart is involved somehow than I don't do it. But adding him as he is also durable would be adding a significant piece. I see a lot of hate on him not sure I'm on that list but he is getable gobert, ad, jokic, kat, Joel are not. So arguably drummond is 6th at the highest and 10th as lowest and is only 25. That also leaves Adams and capella as 25 and younger that imo are also getable so if I can get a top 10 center in the league I do it. But the golden rule is Smart, brown, or Tatum stay off the offer table and to be honest nothough much out there to trade any 3 of those guys except donicic, Greek freak, etc.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Shams reports Knicks have interest in Drummond, says Detroit is now looking for a package of young players and picks.