Fake Trade Thread #6

[JustBuzzin]

Sucks we are in a bad location.

Backwoods and farmland just isn't attractive.


Maybe if we moved the team to Myrtle Beach we might be a bit more desirable for stars. Just a thought don't mind me.

[fatlever]

Sucks we are in a bad location.

Backwoods and farmland just isn't attractive.


Maybe if we moved the team to Myrtle Beach we might be a bit more desirable for stars. Just a thought don't mind me.

There's only a couple of cities anymore that have that kind of pull of just being able to get stars to come to them just because of how amazing the city is, it's pretty much LA Miami NY San Francisco.. Maybe Chicago if you just really love food. Toronto if you love the international scene. Maybe Boston just for the history. But those last three cities all come with pretty terrible weather.

Otherwise there's really no excuse for location or city size that Charlotte can't compete with the rest of the league outside of those teams.

[yosemiteben]

Sucks we are in a bad location.

Backwoods and farmland just isn't attractive.

Have you been to Charlotte? What an odd post.

[JustBuzzin]

Sucks we are in a bad location.

Backwoods and farmland just isn't attractive.


Maybe if we moved the team to Myrtle Beach we might be a bit more desirable for stars. Just a thought don't mind me.

There's only a couple of cities anymore that have that kind of pull of just being able to get stars to come to them just because of how amazing the city is, it's pretty much LA Miami NY San Francisco.. Maybe Chicago if you just really love food. Toronto if you love the international scene. Maybe Boston just for the history. But those last three cities all come with pretty terrible weather.

Otherwise there's really no excuse for location or city size that Charlotte can't compete with the rest of the league outside of those teams.

The problem with Charlotte is you have Atlanta just a few hours away which is a bigger better version of Charlotte.

I would say Charlotte is more towards the bottom in terms of East teams. This is the Bible belt not exactly a place for NBA athletes with millions of dollars.

NY/Brooklyn/Toronto/Atlanta/DC/Miami/Orlando are all probably better locations just on the East alone.

[JustBuzzin]

Sucks we are in a bad location.

Backwoods and farmland just isn't attractive.

Have you been to Charlotte? What an odd post.

Yep been to Charlotte/Asheville that's pretty much it on the Western NC side of the map. Charlotte is decent, but Raleigh is arguably better.

I been to Atlanta and it makes Charlotte look like a smaller version.

Not sure what you like to do, but I'm a nightlight kind of guy. Charlotte has decent club scenes, but again Atlanta is the king of clubs on the East.

Also keep in mind these aren't regular people with regular jobs. If you a millionaire there are plenty of better cities you would rather live in than Charlotte.

I travel a lot so Charlotte may be big to you, but not when you actually visit other cities.

Vegas is probably my ideal spot if I was a NBA athlete tbh. When they get a team players are gonna flock to that city.

[yosemiteben]

I cannot believe you're in here acting like Myrtle Beach is gonna pull professional athletes. C'mon dude.

Getting a mansion on the water in Lake Norman is definitely capable of pulling big names.

[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte best FA signing was Al Jefferson.

Charlotte is a nice city for regular people like myself. For a millionaire athlete I wouldn't live in Charlotte. No disrespect to the city it's just not the best location for NBA superstar athletes.

[fatlever]

Charlotte best FA signing was Al Jefferson.

Charlotte is a nice city for regular people like myself. For a millionaire athlete I wouldn't live in Charlotte. No disrespect to the city it's just not the best location for NBA superstar athletes.

Like I said earlier there's maybe 5 to max 9 cities in the entire league that really have a pull on free agents just because of the location of the city. That's LA New York Miami San Francisco... Then maybe Toronto Boston or Chicago. Maybe Phoenix. At best it's eight cities with 22 other cities all with pluses and minuses. So yeah, you might not be able to have people like Lebron just magically show up at your front door and want to sign for your team. But again there's only a small percentage of cities in the league that have that pulling power. Everyone else has to get smart with their roster building either overpay free agents or make smart trades and Smart Draft picks. Charlotte is historically bad because our owners and front office are historically bad.

I don't think it's fair to say that you can't build a winning franchise in Charlotte because of the city. Hasn't stopped Memphis or Portland or denver or Salt Lake City or San Antonio or Indianapolis or Detroit or Cleveland Or Minneapolis or Oklahoma City from building winning teams at various points over the past 15 years.

It's certainly more difficult to build a winning franchise in Charlotte than it is in Miami or Los Angeles. But in Charlotte it's probably in the middle of the pack in terms of cities When it comes to the quality of the city to live in as a player.

The main takeaway I have when it comes to building winning teams in certain cities is this, if you're a general manager and you don't have a perennial winning team in LA then you're completely incompetent at your job. I always laughed when reading polls and people would say oh the Lakers have the worst future five years from now once LeBron retires. The Lakers will never be in the bottom half of the league in terms of their future outlook simply because of who they are. Mitch Kupchak is literally the only incompetent general manager on the planet that would have the Lakers spend multiple years in a row in the lottery and then waste all his free agency money on Deng and Mozgov. Do you realize how terrible of a general manager you have to be to not figure out a way to have a superstar on the Lakers and be in the playoffs every year. But that's a different discussion.

[Robot Rock]

What is there to do in Milwaukee? Nothing. But they've won championships somehow.

[yosemiteben]

What is there to do in Milwaukee? Nothing. But they've won championships somehow.

Right. Not too much going on in SAS either.

Or Cleveland.

[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte best FA signing was Al Jefferson.

Charlotte is a nice city for regular people like myself. For a millionaire athlete I wouldn't live in Charlotte. No disrespect to the city it's just not the best location for NBA superstar athletes.

Like I said earlier there's maybe 5 to max 9 cities in the entire league that really have a pull on free agents just because of the location of the city. That's LA New York Miami San Francisco... Then maybe Toronto Boston or Chicago. Maybe Phoenix. At best it's eight cities with 22 other cities all with pluses and minuses. So yeah, you might not be able to have people like Lebron just magically show up at your front door and want to sign for your team. But again there's only a small percentage of cities in the league that have that pulling power. Everyone else has to get smart with their roster building either overpay free agents or make smart trades and Smart Draft picks. Charlotte is historically bad because our owners and front office are historically bad.

I don't think it's fair to say that you can't build a winning franchise in Charlotte because of the city. Hasn't stopped Memphis or Portland or denver or Salt Lake City or San Antonio or Indianapolis or Detroit or Cleveland Or Minneapolis or Oklahoma City from building winning teams at various points over the past 15 years.

It's certainly more difficult to build a winning franchise in Charlotte than it is in Miami or Los Angeles. But in Charlotte it's probably in the middle of the pack in terms of cities When it comes to the quality of the city to live in as a player.

The main takeaway I have when it comes to building winning teams in certain cities is this, if you're a general manager and you don't have a perennial winning team in LA then you're completely incompetent at your job. I always laughed when reading polls and people would say oh the Lakers have the worst future five years from now once LeBron retires. The Lakers will never be in the bottom half of the league in terms of their future outlook simply because of who they are. Mitch Kupchak is literally the only incompetent general manager on the planet that would have the Lakers spend multiple years in a row in the lottery and then waste all his free agency money on Deng and Mozgov. Do you realize how terrible of a general manager you have to be to not figure out a way to have a superstar on the Lakers and be in the playoffs every year. But that's a different discussion.

We actually drafted well in the 90's.

Both of our franchise players Zo and LJ both left.

[JustBuzzin]

What is there to do in Milwaukee? Nothing. But they've won championships somehow.

They had arguably the best player in the league on those championship teams with Kareem and Giannis. Also Kareem left Milwaukee. Giannis most likely won't finish his career in Milwaukee either.

San Antonio drafted well and formed a dynasty. Even Duncan was gonna leave if not for Doc Rivers nixing the signing because he wouldn't let Duncan's wife on the private plane.

OKC is basically this generation Spurs. They will draft well and win a lot of games. But SGA will have his chance just like Duncan will he leave or stay? We don't know yet.

[yosemiteben]

So your only counter example against what we're saying is Kareem Abdul Jabbar 50 years ago?

It really doesn't feel like the "big city advantage" is as pronounced as it once was. I view that as a the result of the spread of digital marketing where it's easier to get traction and visibility without having to be in a big market and also with the evolution of free agency where player movement is increasingly rare.

[JustBuzzin]

I'm saying Charlotte is not an attractive market for star players. It's been proven in our history. That's all I'm saying.

Charlotte for regular folks is probably in the top 10 places you want to live. Hell I think both Charlotte and Raleigh are usually ranked in the top 10 of places to live in the US.

Al Jefferson was our best FA signing in the history of the franchise. That should tell you all you need to know. This isn't a market star players flock to.

Also we had the GOAT as owner and nobody wanted to play for him. It's sad we had so many advantages and we couldn't use them to our advantage. Maybe MJ is just not a friendly person. You would think the best player to ever play the game would have some power to recruit stars to play for him. All of those players who signed to his brand he couldn't get any of them in Charlotte.

[fatlever]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that Charlotte isn't an attractive City for free agents. What we're saying is that there's only 5 to 10 cities in the entire league that are attractive for free agents based purely on the geography of the city. The other 20 to 25 cities have to make do on good Drafting and good trades.

Charlotte as a franchise doesn't suck because of its location, it sucks because of its drafting and ownership.

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[JustBuzzin]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that Charlotte isn't an attractive City for free agents. What we're saying is that there's only 5 to 10 cities in the entire league that are attractive for free agents based purely on the geography of the city. The other 20 to 25 cities have to make do on good Drafting and good trades.

Charlotte as a franchise doesn't suck because of its location, it sucks because of its drafting and ownership.

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I agree with your 5-10 cities are only attractive for stars. My point is the location also plays a factor as to why we can't get stars to Charlotte.

Like the rest of the 20-25 cities we have to draft and develop our players and that is something we haven't proved we can do.

But going back to the 90's we had 2 franchise players and we couldn't keep them long-term for whatever reason.

[yosemiteben]

I don't believe there is a single city that is a big FA pull, because the era of big names going anywhere in FA, and teams having enough cap space to land FAs, is pretty much over. When it does happen, it's usually guys chasing money, not taking a discount based on geography. Case in point - PG leaving LA to go to Philly.

[Rich4114]

Charlotte best FA signing was Al Jefferson.

Charlotte is a nice city for regular people like myself. For a millionaire athlete I wouldn't live in Charlotte. No disrespect to the city it's just not the best location for NBA superstar athletes.

Like I said earlier there's maybe 5 to max 9 cities in the entire league that really have a pull on free agents just because of the location of the city. That's LA New York Miami San Francisco... Then maybe Toronto Boston or Chicago. Maybe Phoenix. At best it's eight cities with 22 other cities all with pluses and minuses. So yeah, you might not be able to have people like Lebron just magically show up at your front door and want to sign for your team. But again there's only a small percentage of cities in the league that have that pulling power. Everyone else has to get smart with their roster building either overpay free agents or make smart trades and Smart Draft picks. Charlotte is historically bad because our owners and front office are historically bad.

I don't think it's fair to say that you can't build a winning franchise in Charlotte because of the city. Hasn't stopped Memphis or Portland or denver or Salt Lake City or San Antonio or Indianapolis or Detroit or Cleveland Or Minneapolis or Oklahoma City from building winning teams at various points over the past 15 years.

It's certainly more difficult to build a winning franchise in Charlotte than it is in Miami or Los Angeles. But in Charlotte it's probably in the middle of the pack in terms of cities When it comes to the quality of the city to live in as a player.

The main takeaway I have when it comes to building winning teams in certain cities is this, if you're a general manager and you don't have a perennial winning team in LA then you're completely incompetent at your job. I always laughed when reading polls and people would say oh the Lakers have the worst future five years from now once LeBron retires. The Lakers will never be in the bottom half of the league in terms of their future outlook simply because of who they are. Mitch Kupchak is literally the only incompetent general manager on the planet that would have the Lakers spend multiple years in a row in the lottery and then waste all his free agency money on Deng and Mozgov. Do you realize how terrible of a general manager you have to be to not figure out a way to have a superstar on the Lakers and be in the playoffs every year. But that's a different discussion.

We actually drafted well in the 90's.

Both of our franchise players Zo and LJ both left.

Do you think that was their choice? Zo "left" because he was traded. He was traded because George Shinn didn't want to pay him the contract he was worth because he already paid Larry Johnson. LJ promptly injured his back, losing much of the explosiveness that made him a dominant athlete. Our GM at the time turned LJ and Zo into the best possible salvageable outcome which was Glen Rice and Anthony Mason, two key pieces that to this day own the best 2-3 records in Hornets franchise history.

Players first and foremost want to go where they can win.

[JustBuzzin]

PG left LA because they weren't giving him the max.

[fatlever]

I don't believe there is a single city that is a big FA pull, because the era of big names going anywhere in FA, and teams having enough cap space to land FAs, is pretty much over. When it does happen, it's usually guys chasing money, not taking a discount based on geography. Case in point - PG leaving LA to go to Philly.

It's not often that huge names move via free agency anyway but we did have Lebron going to LA few years ago. He didn't go there because that team was great. we was there solely because it was LA.

I think more of the impact comes from when a Player starts to make waves and demands to get traded to another team. Almost always we see Miami and LA on their short list of teams to be traded to. Those teams are always in play for big names, regardless. And you'll always have a handful of players in the league that want to play in New York for the simple reason that it's New York. We heard about Donovan Mitchell wanting to play in New York for ever. it never happened but...