July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

[Pjax4Prez]

Figured that was that reason :/ Does Greenie ever want players that aren't like that? WHY NO LOVE FOR SNELL?!?!

I gave you good reason.

Snell gets no love because he has no love for my eyes!!!

He's a RFA next season and we will likely need a SG.

In all honesty Snell is the exact type of player we need.

Pay him enough to pry him away from the bulls
Earned his playing time by defense first
Can shoot the three decently
Is looking for a expanded role and is young enough to improve

[3toheadmelo]

I gave you good reason.

Snell gets no love because he has no love for my eyes!!!

He's a RFA next season and we will likely need a SG.

In all honesty Snell is the exact type of player we need.

Pay him enough to pry him away from the bulls
Earned his playing time by defense first
Can shoot the three decently
Is looking for a expanded role and is young enough to improve

i'll take him over cleanthony

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Last 1/4 of the season where he was fully healthy he was a hell of a player for the Nuggets - I'd throw February in there also, but he was still working his way back from the Nuggets' medical **** with him. IIRC, they also are a ways away from hitting the cap floor and giving the money to Gallo is a good bet with low risk (because the money had to go somewhere anyway - might as well give it to someone who has shown he can be a great player for them).


Edit -- check his splits -- he literally got better month by month...which makes sense coming back from what the Nuggets' dumb medical staff did to him.

He was decent in March, and had a good April which lasted 6 games. I don't place any significance in his April stretch because their season was over at that point...a lot of decent players end up putting up good numbers in April when the games have zero meaning. He's ok...nothing special. His contract is pretty funny IMO, but average players are getting a lot of money these days so it is what it is.

You can't just disregard 6 games because "their season was over." Players still go out every game trying to win. I'd like to see a list of players who "put up good numbers in April when the games have zero meaning." Curious as to what you will find...if anything.

He was GOOD in March and April, which makes sense coming back from the Nuggets' medical staff ****.

Yes I can, because Gallinari has proven that he's not what he showed in April. He had a good 6 game stretch like any above average player is capable of. April was a clear aberration, and he was good in March. I will take the multiple seasons of average play over 1 good month.

[E-Balla]

You had to ask that? He's a prime light skin... (no homo)

Figured that was that reason :/ Does Greenie ever want players that aren't like that? WHY NO LOVE FOR SNELL?!?!

I gave you good reason.

Snell gets no love because he has no love for my eyes!!!

Tony Snell looks like Daffy Duck with no bill and bad acne.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Figured that was that reason :/ Does Greenie ever want players that aren't like that? WHY NO LOVE FOR SNELL?!?!

I gave you good reason.

Snell gets no love because he has no love for my eyes!!!

Tony Snell looks like Daffy Duck with no bill and bad acne.

Damn, why do y'all have to go in on Tony Snell like that?

[E-Balla]

Moo, will respond later probably, but will give brief one now - don't like typing much on the app haha.

I understand what you're saying and don't think they'll be an elite team, but George didn't look terrible considering he was coming back from a horrific injury. Recent videos show that his bounce is back and I'm sure his jumper will be back shortly.

Losing their heart and soul (West) was a big blow, but they got a 20ppg scorer and retained a good 6th man. I honestly think Turner will be able to replicate Hibbert's impact on game (better offense, defense at lower level...in beginning, at least). That team will be a great defensive team as long as they have PG, Hill, a guy you can funnel players to (Turner), and a great defensive coach. Probably not too 5 in East, but I can't see them not making playoffs.

They got a scorer that will take the ball out of Hill's hands and make him look way worse out there, and you are completely misguided in how good Hibbert was defensively.

[NBA Fan 1234]

He was decent in March, and had a good April which lasted 6 games. I don't place any significance in his April stretch because their season was over at that point...a lot of decent players end up putting up good numbers in April when the games have zero meaning. He's ok...nothing special. His contract is pretty funny IMO, but average players are getting a lot of money these days so it is what it is.

You can't just disregard 6 games because "their season was over." Players still go out every game trying to win. I'd like to see a list of players who "put up good numbers in April when the games have zero meaning." Curious as to what you will find...if anything.

He was GOOD in March and April, which makes sense coming back from the Nuggets' medical staff ****.

Yes I can, because Gallinari has proven that he's not what he showed in April. He had a good 6 game stretch like any above average player is capable of. April was a clear aberration, and he was good in March. I will take the multiple seasons of average play over 1 good month.

He was great in March and April, when he was finally healthy - the fact that he's had other stretches like this throughout his career shows that it's not an aberration, but whatever; inconsistent, sure, but in addition to his shouldering of the blame, part of it falls on the bad situations he's been in (Shaw's attempted triangle, spot up shooter in D'Antoni's BS system)... but it is what it is. You're entitled to your opinion.

He's not an all star player, but he's better than an "average player."

[NBA Fan 1234]

Moo, will respond later probably, but will give brief one now - don't like typing much on the app haha.

I understand what you're saying and don't think they'll be an elite team, but George didn't look terrible considering he was coming back from a horrific injury. Recent videos show that his bounce is back and I'm sure his jumper will be back shortly.

Losing their heart and soul (West) was a big blow, but they got a 20ppg scorer and retained a good 6th man. I honestly think Turner will be able to replicate Hibbert's impact on game (better offense, defense at lower level...in beginning, at least). That team will be a great defensive team as long as they have PG, Hill, a guy you can funnel players to (Turner), and a great defensive coach. Probably not too 5 in East, but I can't see them not making playoffs.

They got a scorer that will take the ball out of Hill's hands and make him look way worse out there, and you are completely misguided in how good Hibbert was defensively.

No I'm not misguided - they would funnel players to him in half court sets and have him drop back in pick and roll (he was a great defender / anchor, though). They'll do the same with Turner in those situations, who will have a learning curve no doubt but should be a good defender anyway.

As for Hill, he's not a ball dominant guard and can easily spot up and play off ball.

[moocow007]

Moo, will respond later probably, but will give brief one now - don't like typing much on the app haha.

I understand what you're saying and don't think they'll be an elite team, but George didn't look terrible considering he was coming back from a horrific injury. Recent videos show that his bounce is back and I'm sure his jumper will be back shortly.

Losing their heart and soul (West) was a big blow, but they got a 20ppg scorer and retained a good 6th man. I honestly think Turner will be able to replicate Hibbert's impact on game (better offense, defense at lower level...in beginning, at least). That team will be a great defensive team as long as they have PG, Hill, a guy you can funnel players to (Turner), and a great defensive coach. Probably not too 5 in East, but I can't see them not making playoffs.

I see them doing as well as the Knicks did after that 54 win season. They don't have the players to play efficient and productive uptempo basketball (yes they can run, but if it was just about throwing a bunch of athletes out there the Sixers wouldn't be lottery bound every year...but they are not good components to be the primary ball guys for an efficient uptempo offense). They have 2 guys that have a reputation of being shoot first me first guys in Stuckey and Ellis. That's a lot to expect Tuner to be able to do...to both score in the post and cover for both what Hibbert and West used to do for them defensively. I'd be surprised if they win more than 35-37 games. Also remember, Vogel's forte is defense, it's not offense. This team has to win on offense...and a style of offense that you need shooters and ball distributors to do so effectively. On paper and in my gut, the Knicks have a better team for this upcoming season. So, if the Pacers are a playoff team then great, that would be great news for the Knicks.

[E-Balla]

Moo, will respond later probably, but will give brief one now - don't like typing much on the app haha.

I understand what you're saying and don't think they'll be an elite team, but George didn't look terrible considering he was coming back from a horrific injury. Recent videos show that his bounce is back and I'm sure his jumper will be back shortly.

Losing their heart and soul (West) was a big blow, but they got a 20ppg scorer and retained a good 6th man. I honestly think Turner will be able to replicate Hibbert's impact on game (better offense, defense at lower level...in beginning, at least). That team will be a great defensive team as long as they have PG, Hill, a guy you can funnel players to (Turner), and a great defensive coach. Probably not too 5 in East, but I can't see them not making playoffs.

They got a scorer that will take the ball out of Hill's hands and make him look way worse out there, and you are completely misguided in how good Hibbert was defensively.

No I'm not misguided - they would funnel players to him in half court sets and have him drop back in pick and roll (he was a great defender / anchor, though). They'll do the same with Turner in those situations, who will have a learning curve no doubt but should be a good defender anyway.

As for Hill, he's not a ball dominant guard and can easily spot up and play off ball.

Outside of Nerlens Noel name me another good, impactful defensive rookie in the last 10-15 years? Now you're comparing Myles Turner who couldn't consistently get PT at Texas to one of the 5 best defenders in the NBA? Nah.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

You can't just disregard 6 games because "their season was over." Players still go out every game trying to win. I'd like to see a list of players who "put up good numbers in April when the games have zero meaning." Curious as to what you will find...if anything.

He was GOOD in March and April, which makes sense coming back from the Nuggets' medical staff ****.

Yes I can, because Gallinari has proven that he's not what he showed in April. He had a good 6 game stretch like any above average player is capable of. April was a clear aberration, and he was good in March. I will take the multiple seasons of average play over 1 good month.

He was great in March and April, when he was finally healthy - the fact that he's had other stretches like this throughout his career shows that it's not an aberration, but whatever; inconsistent, sure, but in addition to his shouldering of the blame, part of it falls on the bad situations he's been in (Shaw's attempted triangle, spot up shooter in D'Antoni's BS system)... but it is what it is. You're entitled to your opinion.

He's not an all star player, but he's better than an "average player."

Production wise, he's barely above average. Tons of players in the league have good stretches. He's been healthy before, but now you're saying that other factors were the cause of his overall play like the system he was in. Maybe he just is what he is...I doubt that his play this season will be any different from what it normally is which definitely isn't like the guy he looked like in April.

[Capn'O]

I gave you good reason.

Snell gets no love because he has no love for my eyes!!!

He's a RFA next season and we will likely need a SG.

In all honesty Snell is the exact type of player we need.

Pay him enough to pry him away from the bulls
Earned his playing time by defense first
Can shoot the three decently
Is looking for a expanded role and is young enough to improve

Yeah, I wasn't fully trolling Greenie. He wouldn't be bad.

Batum is another guy I'm looking at right now. Rebuild the 2013-2014 Blazers in NYC around Me7o Keep an eye on Turner as well.

[NBA Fan 1234]

They got a scorer that will take the ball out of Hill's hands and make him look way worse out there, and you are completely misguided in how good Hibbert was defensively.

No I'm not misguided - they would funnel players to him in half court sets and have him drop back in pick and roll (he was a great defender / anchor, though). They'll do the same with Turner in those situations, who will have a learning curve no doubt but should be a good defender anyway.

As for Hill, he's not a ball dominant guard and can easily spot up and play off ball.

Outside of Nerlens Noel name me another good, impactful defensive rookie in the last 10-15 years? Now you're comparing Myles Turner who couldn't consistently get PT at Texas to one of the 5 best defenders in the NBA? Nah.

So he has to be as good as Hibbert to be impactful? You can impact a game defensively without being an elite defender. There's something missing in your logic. Part of the reason why he didn't get PT was because of the other C they had on the team and then going small / not playing two bigs (and worrying about his mobility) - odd, because the AD was not thrilled with the limiting of his minutes considering the impact he had on the games. One of my best friends is family friends with Barnes and actually had this conversation a few weeks ago after his performance in the Orlando SL. Turner can 100% impact the game without being an elite defender.

Hibbert actually averaged fewer blocks in fewer minutes at Georgetown.

[E-Balla]

No I'm not misguided - they would funnel players to him in half court sets and have him drop back in pick and roll (he was a great defender / anchor, though). They'll do the same with Turner in those situations, who will have a learning curve no doubt but should be a good defender anyway.

As for Hill, he's not a ball dominant guard and can easily spot up and play off ball.

Outside of Nerlens Noel name me another good, impactful defensive rookie in the last 10-15 years? Now you're comparing Myles Turner who couldn't consistently get PT at Texas to one of the 5 best defenders in the NBA? Nah.

So he has to be as good as Hibbert to be impactful? You can impact a game defensively without being an elite defender. There's something missing in your logic. Part of the reason why he didn't get PT was because of the other C they had on the team and then going small / not playing two bigs (and worrying about his mobility). One of my best friends is family friends with Barnes and actually had this conversation a few weeks ago after his performance in the Orlando SL.

Hibbert actually averaged fewer blocks in fewer minutes at Georgetown.

Who ever said anything you are arguing against in this post and what does Hibbert at Georgetown have to do with anything?

[NBA Fan 1234]

Yes I can, because Gallinari has proven that he's not what he showed in April. He had a good 6 game stretch like any above average player is capable of. April was a clear aberration, and he was good in March. I will take the multiple seasons of average play over 1 good month.

He was great in March and April, when he was finally healthy - the fact that he's had other stretches like this throughout his career shows that it's not an aberration, but whatever; inconsistent, sure, but in addition to his shouldering of the blame, part of it falls on the bad situations he's been in (Shaw's attempted triangle, spot up shooter in D'Antoni's BS system)... but it is what it is. You're entitled to your opinion.

He's not an all star player, but he's better than an "average player."

Production wise, he's barely above average. Tons of players in the league have good stretches. He's been healthy before, but now you're saying that other factors were the cause of his overall play like the system he was in. Maybe he just is what he is...I doubt that his play this season will be any different from what it normally is which definitely isn't like the guy he looked like in April.

We'll see. I'm expecting a bounce back year.

Denying other factors like injuries, coaching, etc is kinda stupid. We've witnessed how systems can **** up or help certain types of players.

[AmazingJason]

Spurs looking at Cope.

SMH, they would get a slightly slower Melo coming off the bench.

Rich get richer.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Outside of Nerlens Noel name me another good, impactful defensive rookie in the last 10-15 years? Now you're comparing Myles Turner who couldn't consistently get PT at Texas to one of the 5 best defenders in the NBA? Nah.

So he has to be as good as Hibbert to be impactful? You can impact a game defensively without being an elite defender. There's something missing in your logic. Part of the reason why he didn't get PT was because of the other C they had on the team and then going small / not playing two bigs (and worrying about his mobility). One of my best friends is family friends with Barnes and actually had this conversation a few weeks ago after his performance in the Orlando SL.

Hibbert actually averaged fewer blocks in fewer minutes at Georgetown.

Who ever said anything you are arguing against in this post and what does Hibbert at Georgetown have to do with anything?

You were putting words in my mouth basically saying that I said he would be as good as Hibbert was defensively - which I never said. Saying a player can impact the game defensively does not mean he will be an elite defender. It means that he can impact the game.

The stuff at UT was because you brought up his not getting consistent PT.

[E-Balla]

So he has to be as good as Hibbert to be impactful? You can impact a game defensively without being an elite defender. There's something missing in your logic. Part of the reason why he didn't get PT was because of the other C they had on the team and then going small / not playing two bigs (and worrying about his mobility). One of my best friends is family friends with Barnes and actually had this conversation a few weeks ago after his performance in the Orlando SL.

Hibbert actually averaged fewer blocks in fewer minutes at Georgetown.

Who ever said anything you are arguing against in this post and what does Hibbert at Georgetown have to do with anything?

You were putting words in my mouth basically saying that I said he would be as good as Hibbert was defensively - which I never said. Saying a player can impact the game defensively does not mean he will be an elite defender. It means that he can impact the game.

The stuff at UT was because you brought up his not getting consistent PT.

I never said that. You said he'll be a good defensive player anyway so I asked you to name a good defensive rookie outside of Nerlens and said you are comparing a guy that couldn't get consistent PT at Texas (you talk about going small but Myles can shoot his ass off) to a top 5 defender.

And I skipped over your comment on George Hill not being good on ball because it's obvious you didn't watch Indiana at all once he got healthy last year if you believe that.

[moocow007]

Fixed

Spurs looking at Cope.

SMH, they would get a slightly slower and not near as skilled one dimensional version of Melo coming off the bench.

Rich get richer.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

He was great in March and April, when he was finally healthy - the fact that he's had other stretches like this throughout his career shows that it's not an aberration, but whatever; inconsistent, sure, but in addition to his shouldering of the blame, part of it falls on the bad situations he's been in (Shaw's attempted triangle, spot up shooter in D'Antoni's BS system)... but it is what it is. You're entitled to your opinion.

He's not an all star player, but he's better than an "average player."

Production wise, he's barely above average. Tons of players in the league have good stretches. He's been healthy before, but now you're saying that other factors were the cause of his overall play like the system he was in. Maybe he just is what he is...I doubt that his play this season will be any different from what it normally is which definitely isn't like the guy he looked like in April.

We'll see. I'm expecting a bounce back year.

Denying other factors like injuries, coaching, etc is kinda stupid. We've witnessed how systems can **** up or help certain types of players.

I'm not denying them at all...you just sounded like that was the main reason for his play throughout his career. I know that those are factors, but I haven't seen anything that you can say that has stopped him from being an all star type player or even a fringe all star. Even with perfect health, perfect system etc...he's just not that dude and I doubt he ever will be. What situation will have him looking like an all star or have him consistently replicating his April stretch? I don't see any...he has the talent of a slightly above average player which is what he is and what he's been. What is a bounce back year for him? From going from below average overall last season due to injuries to slightly above average?