The Andrew Wiggins Thread

[Maefteda]

This is how you'd like to see and how you will see Wiggins play. He scored efficiently, but also found ways to be effective in other ways than just scoring and he clearly has the talent to do so. Once we get some more wins and the team becomes more confident, Wiggins will also find the confidence he had to start the season and he will be a force in this league.

He has a lot of detractors for a number of different reasons like vagelis says, but don't let that fool you into believing that Wiggins is or ever will be a bust or a Rudy Gay type player.

[Zeitgeister]

He continues to be a huge factor in wins.

One of the reason he gets as much hate as he does, is that he is a dominant force when he wants to be, but most of the time it seems as though he isnt as engaged as he should be.

3-1 when he gets 30+
6-3 when he gets 26+

We have a losing record when someone else puts up big numbers.

The reason is because Towns and LaVine put up big numbers much more consistently. Yet Wiggins has a lot of games where he actively shoots us out of games while providing nothing else. It's the reason why a guy like LaVine has a .600 TS% while Wiggins has a .530 TS%.

[NewWolvesOrder]

My theory on Wiggins is: he lays off the weed, or whatever he smokes, before certain games he wants to show up at. The rest of the time he's just too high and doesn't really care and isn't motivated enough. Let's be honest the guy has had effort issues his entire career. Can a leopard change his spots? I feel this guy needs some mentor/motivator/sports psychologist that can get thru to him. KG's antics clearly didn't impress him much like they it did with KAT.

[C.lupus]

He continues to be a huge factor in wins.

One of the reason he gets as much hate as he does, is that he is a dominant force when he wants to be, but most of the time it seems as though he isnt as engaged as he should be.

3-1 when he gets 30+
6-3 when he gets 26+

We have a losing record when someone else puts up big numbers.

The reason is because Towns and LaVine put up big numbers much more consistently. Yet Wiggins has a lot of games where he actively shoots us out of games while providing nothing else. It's the reason why a guy like LaVine has a .600 TS% while Wiggins has a .530 TS%.

That's not really true. Wiggins has ten games with 26 or more points and the Wolves are 7-3 in those games. Towns has eight games with 26 or more (2-6) and LaVine has 7 games of 26 or more (2-5).

Here's a little game. Guess who is who off of these splits:

PTS / # Games
0-9: 1
10-19: 12
20-29: 16
30-39: 2
40-49: 2

PTS / # Games
0-9: 1
10-19: 14
20-29: 13
30-39: 3
40-49: 1

PTS / # Games
0-9: 2
10-19: 12
20-29: 15
30-39: 3
40-49: 1

[Zeitgeister]

He continues to be a huge factor in wins.

One of the reason he gets as much hate as he does, is that he is a dominant force when he wants to be, but most of the time it seems as though he isnt as engaged as he should be.

3-1 when he gets 30+
6-3 when he gets 26+

We have a losing record when someone else puts up big numbers.

The reason is because Towns and LaVine put up big numbers much more consistently. Yet Wiggins has a lot of games where he actively shoots us out of games while providing nothing else. It's the reason why a guy like LaVine has a .600 TS% while Wiggins has a .530 TS%.

That's not really true. Wiggins has ten games with 26 or more points and the Wolves are 7-3 in those games. Towns has eight games with 26 or more (2-6) and LaVine has 7 games of 26 or more (2-5).

Here's a little game. Guess who is who off of these splits:

PTS / # Games
0-9: 1
10-19: 12
20-29: 16
30-39: 2
40-49: 2

PTS / # Games
0-9: 1
10-19: 14
20-29: 13
30-39: 3
40-49: 1

PTS / # Games
0-9: 2
10-19: 12
20-29: 15
30-39: 3
40-49: 1

Of course it is true, at the very least it is certainly is true for LaVine. You're just using raw scoring volume.

LaVine 21.1 ppg (.602 TS%)
Towns 21.8 ppg (.564 TS%)
Wiggins 22.1 ppg (.534 TS%)

Edit: Okay, let me rephrase my point because I reread it and it may not have come across very clearly. LaVine and Towns, particularly LaVine, are scoring a lot better than Wiggins on a much more consistent basis.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Lavine can get 30 efficient points, but that doesnt help the team when we lose.

If Wiggins is dropping an efficient 30, theres an excellent chance we are winning.

[Worm Guts]

Lavine can get 30 efficient points, but that doesnt help the team when we lose.

If Wiggins is dropping an efficient 30, theres an excellent chance we are winning.

I'm pretty sure 30 efficient points helps you win no matter who it's from.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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Lavine can get 30 efficient points, but that doesnt help the team when we lose.

If Wiggins is dropping an efficient 30, theres an excellent chance we are winning.

I'm pretty sure 30 efficient points helps you win no matter who it's from.

Zach has had 7 games of 26+ points including the dleague (grizzlies) with quite a few of those with a .600+ fg%. We were 2-5.

Kat has had 8 games of 26+ with quite a few with .600 fg%. We are 2-6.

This isn't to say who is better or who is the better scorer. For this year, it's just that if Wiggins goes off, it increases the chances of winning more than any other player.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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[TheProdigy]

Lavine can get 30 efficient points, but that doesnt help the team when we lose.

If Wiggins is dropping an efficient 30, theres an excellent chance we are winning.

Maybe the reason why we lose when LaVine or Towns has a strong game is because Wiggins put up one of his duds, and it negates the strong game from others?

LaVine Stats in Wins:
21.9 ppg, 48.8 fg%, 49.3 3p%, 90.9 ft%
LaVine Stats in Losses:
20.8 ppg, 46.9 fg%, 38.2 3p%, 86.6 ft%

Wiggins Stats in Wins:
27.5 ppg, 54.6 fg%, 42.2 3p%, 82.1 ft%
Wiggins Stats in Losses:
19.4 ppg, 39.8 fg%, 32.1 3p%, 69.2 ft%

It appears as though Wiggins is a major reason for why we lose games. LaVine is MUCH more consistent.

[Dleavitt24]

Question: Wiggins dunk late in the game shows Lavine getting open on the three point line. After the play Zach throws his arm in what could be perseved as celebratory to Wiggins dunk...Untill he untucked his jeresy leading me to speculate he was frustrated.

Now I only watch the clip but can anyone fill me in on wether or not he was frustrated from not receiving the pass.

I obviously could be reading into this to much...But as Kevin Garnett always said this group has a Chance to be really good but must put there egos aside for a greater cause. The play there could for shadow a really problem in that they all want the spot light and there is only one c
Ball. I can see someone like Wiggins being frustrating to play with because he at this point in his career he doest consistently make his teammates better. And A player like Zach needs the ball behind the three on specific timing on his cuts...On the other hand Lavine needs to chill and realize there can be more than one hot hand. I mean after all he did take 17 shoots and 9 from three.

Anyways just my observation. Probably nothing.

[TheProdigy]

Question: Wiggins dunk late in the game shows Lavine getting open on the three point line. After the play Zach throws his arm in what could be perseved as celebratory to Wiggins dunk...Untill he untucked his jeresy leading me to speculate he was frustrated.

Now I only watch the clip but can anyone fill me in on wether or not he was frustrated from not receiving the pass.

I obviously could be reading into this to much...But as Kevin Garnett always said this group has a Chance to be really good but must put there egos aside for a greater cause. The play there could for shadow a really problem in that they all want the spot light and there is only one c
Ball. I can see someone like Wiggins being frustrating to play with because he at this point in his career he doest consistently make his teammates better. And A player like Zach needs the ball behind the three on specific timing on his cuts...On the other hand Lavine needs to chill and realize there can be more than one hot hand. I mean after all he did take 17 shoots and 9 from three.

Anyways just my observation. Probably nothing.

He was clearly excited that his teammate posterized someone.

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[Zeitgeister]

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Lavine can get 30 efficient points, but that doesnt help the team when we lose.

If Wiggins is dropping an efficient 30, theres an excellent chance we are winning.

I'm pretty sure 30 efficient points helps you win no matter who it's from.

Zach has had 7 games of 26+ points including the dleague (grizzlies) with quite a few of those with a .600+ fg%. We were 2-5.

Kat has had 8 games of 26+ with quite a few with .600 fg%. We are 2-6.

This isn't to say who is better or who is the better scorer. For this year, it's just that if Wiggins goes off, it increases the chances of winning more than any other player.

It's actually quite clear who the better scorer is, it's LaVine and it's not close. It increases the chance of winning because KAT and LaVine go off more consistently and the Wolves defense isn't good enough to win without multiple guys scoring well.

[Zeitgeister]

Lavine can get 30 efficient points, but that doesnt help the team when we lose.

If Wiggins is dropping an efficient 30, theres an excellent chance we are winning.

Maybe the reason why we lose when LaVine or Towns has a strong game is because Wiggins put up one of his duds, and it negates the strong game from others?

LaVine Stats in Wins:
21.9 ppg, 48.8 fg%, 49.3 3p%, 90.9 ft%
LaVine Stats in Losses:
20.8 ppg, 46.9 fg%, 38.2 3p%, 86.6 ft%

Wiggins Stats in Wins:
27.5 ppg, 54.6 fg%, 42.2 3p%, 82.1 ft%
Wiggins Stats in Losses:
19.4 ppg, 39.8 fg%, 32.1 3p%, 69.2 ft%

It appears as though Wiggins is a major reason for why we lose games. LaVine is MUCH more consistent.

Spot on. Wiggins actively hurts us in a lot of our losses because he shoots a lot and does so inefficiently while providing little else in those games.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Or lavine is a guy who gets his numbers with little impact on the game, basically the opposite of rubio.

In the bulk of those high scoring games, hes often carrying the worst +/- among the starters.

So just maybe wiggins isnt the main reason we have lost all our games per your suggestion.

Personally, i attribute most of the losses to our lack of defense. But, that might just be me.

[shangrila]

Or lavine is a guy who gets his numbers with little impact on the game, basically the opposite of rubio.

In the bulk of those high scoring games, hes often carrying the worst +/- among the starters.

So just maybe wiggins isnt the main reason we have lost all our games per your suggestion.

Personally, i attribute most of the losses to our lack of defense. But, that might just be me.

I wouldn't say it's his fault we lose but there does seem to be a correlation between us winning and him playing well. Look at the splits; in wins he's averaging 27ppg, 5rpg and 3.4apg with a 55TS% and a DRTG of 105. In losses they all drop to 19.4ppg, 3.8rpg and 1.9apg with a 47.5TS% and a DRTG of 120. That's almost 2 different players.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Or lavine is a guy who gets his numbers with little impact on the game, basically the opposite of rubio.

In the bulk of those high scoring games, hes often carrying the worst +/- among the starters.

So just maybe wiggins isnt the main reason we have lost all our games per your suggestion.

Personally, i attribute most of the losses to our lack of defense. But, that might just be me.

I wouldn't say it's his fault we lose but there does seem to be a correlation between us winning and him playing well. Look at the splits; in wins he's averaging 27ppg, 5rpg and 3.4apg with a 55TS% and a DRTG of 105. In losses they all drop to 19.4ppg, 3.8rpg and 1.9apg with a 47.5TS% and a DRTG of 120. That's almost 2 different players.

Im not blaming him for the losses, was just responding to the above posters that believe Wiggins is the reason we lose as many games as we do.

I have a lack of chemistry, age, and defense as the primary culprits.

[Zeitgeister]

Or lavine is a guy who gets his numbers with little impact on the game, basically the opposite of rubio.

In the bulk of those high scoring games, hes often carrying the worst +/- among the starters.

So just maybe wiggins isnt the main reason we have lost all our games per your suggestion.

Personally, i attribute most of the losses to our lack of defense. But, that might just be me.

I wouldn't say it's his fault we lose but there does seem to be a correlation between us winning and him playing well. Look at the splits; in wins he's averaging 27ppg, 5rpg and 3.4apg with a 55TS% and a DRTG of 105. In losses they all drop to 19.4ppg, 3.8rpg and 1.9apg with a 47.5TS% and a DRTG of 120. That's almost 2 different players.

Yep, it's very difficult to win with a guy actively shooting you out of games like that unless you are a very good defensive team. I think our defense is the primary reason we are a bad team but as we've seen, LaVine and Towns have been the most consistent scorers, they need Wiggins to have a good game too in order to win though.

[TheProdigy]

Or lavine is a guy who gets his numbers with little impact on the game, basically the opposite of rubio.

In the bulk of those high scoring games, hes often carrying the worst +/- among the starters.

So just maybe wiggins isnt the main reason we have lost all our games per your suggestion.

Personally, i attribute most of the losses to our lack of defense. But, that might just be me.

+/- is a garbage stat because it doesn't take into consideration who is on the floor with you. If you have watched the games, you'd know that LaVine has been the first guy subbed out of the lineup, and plays a good portion of his minutes with the reserve unit. I think most of us would agree that our reserve unit led by Dunn has been pretty awful this season. A better statistic is RPM, which takes these things into consideration. LaVine's RPM is -0.89, and Wiggins RPM is -2.11. Advantage LaVine.

Can you also explain why Wiggins shoots below 40% in our losses, and his free throw percentage drops by 13% from 82% to 69%? The knock on Wiggins has been that he floats through games, and these numbers seem to back that up.

[Maefteda]

Or maybe... just maybe... Wiggins and LaVine are really good friends and are both very important to the teams future, but they are young and play with a bunch of other young guys trying to figure out their roles in the NBA while also developing some on court chemistry, which is vital to being a good defence especially?

Why does one have to be better or more important than the other? LaVine has shown that he is a far better prospect than a 13th pick, while Wiggins has games where he makes 30 points look easy while still having a lot of untapped potential on the defensive end.