WWE SmackDown Discussion II

The_Brecht · Post #1641 » by **The_Brecht** » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:15 am

JohnPferdelack wrote:Great Match between Bryan and Styles. The match quality was so high, for me, it's not so important who carries now the belt.
I don't know how Edge and Randy Orton will show a better match on sunday...

That's why they put AJ vs Bryan on Smackdown :lol:

What a match btw!

JohnPferdelack · Post #1642 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:04 am

Bryan makes every opponent better.

tugs · Post #1643 » by **tugs** » Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:01 am

Dang what do you call that double team move by Cesaro and Nakamura

Going with Swingsasha

JohnPferdelack · Post #1644 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:37 am

Bray Wyatt is allowed to use all previous WWE-gimmicks. At the end of Smackdown, we saw him as leader of The Wyatt Family again.

iMoreland · Post #1645 » by **iMoreland** » Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:34 am

Bray Wyatt is so good. I hope in the next Royal Rumble they have him come out as all 3 characters.

Entrant 1: Funhouse Bray
Entrant 15: Cult leader Bray
Entrant 30: The Fiend

JohnPferdelack · Post #1646 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:47 am

iMoreland wrote:Bray Wyatt is so good. I hope in the next Royal Rumble they have him come out as all 3 characters.

Entrant 1: Funhouse Bray
Entrant 15: Cult leader Bray
Entrant 30: The Fiend

Like Mick Foley as he entered that ppv with his three characters Dude Love, Mankind and Cactus Jack.

improper · Post #1647 » by **improper** » Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:43 am

iMoreland wrote:Bray Wyatt is so good. I hope in the next Royal Rumble they have him come out as all 3 characters.

Entrant 1: Funhouse Bray
Entrant 15: Cult leader Bray
Entrant 30: The Fiend

No love for Husky Harris? :lol:

JohnPferdelack · Post #1648 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:59 am

ok, my fault^^

tugs · Post #1649 » by **tugs** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:24 am

Eerily similar with what they're doing with Matt in AEW but both respect each other that they won't even mind.

Matt changes live though. Loving Bray switching mid promos. It's creepy.

JohnPferdelack · Post #1650 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:27 am

There are reports that the upcoming tapings have to edit due to their covid-19 cases!
For us as spectators, we can see which in ring performer is a possible corona person...

iMoreland · Post #1651 » by **iMoreland** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:53 am

Undertaker is definitely wrestling again, and probably many more times

JohnPferdelack · Post #1652 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:14 pm

That's true. It depends more on the fee (e.g. WM or saudi arabia events)

Scott Hall · Post #1653 » by **Scott Hall** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:55 pm

Say Undertaker is really retired...

Where do you guys rank him all-time? Is he Mount Rushmore? Top 10? Top 20?

Post #1654 » by **spykelee** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:43 am

Scott Hall wrote:Say Undertaker is really retired...

Where do you guys rank him all-time? Is he Mount Rushmore? Top 10? Top 20?

Def mt Rushmore for me. He's the greatest character ever created and as far as respect from their peers goes, there isnt anyone better. For me personally, I have hbk at the top of mt Rushmore, but taker is there with stone cold, Cena, rock and hogan/flair.. Probably at the back of that list but still on the mountain. Man this debate is impossible really.. Even to just pick 5 is so hard but yea I think taker belongs on Rushmore.. I lost respect for him every Match he came back and wrestled after he laid his boots and coat down.

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improper · Post #1655 » by **improper** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:45 pm

Scott Hall wrote:Say Undertaker is really retired...

Where do you guys rank him all-time? Is he Mount Rushmore? Top 10? Top 20?

I'd say top ten. His late-career stink bombs kind of take away from his legacy a bit for me. He should have hung up the boots when Brock beat him, or put over Bray the next year and then walked away.

Just wish he would have put someone over on the way out like basically every one of his peers did.

Post #1656 » by **Stanford** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:51 pm

improper wrote:Just wish he would have put someone over on the way out like basically every one of his peers did.

He tried that. It didn't work.

improper · Post #1657 » by **improper** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:37 pm

Stanford wrote:
improper wrote:Just wish he would have put someone over on the way out like basically every one of his peers did.

He tried that. It didn't work.

I mean, he didn't have to keep coming back for more paychecks.

Just wish he would have let Styles win the boneyard match, because I can't think of a more fitting ending for a character called the Undertaker than being buried alive. I always thought his last match should have been a buried alive match.

One of the basic tenets of wrestling that we've heard for decades now is that you go out on your back, not that you go out going over one of the company's biggest stars.

WRau1 · Post #1658 » by **WRau1** » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:41 am

I feel like I should have Undertaker ranked higher than what I would put him at but I'm just not that big of a fan. I will say that he is one of only a few guys EVER that didn't need a championship to be relevant while also never leaving the mainevent scene.

Post #1659 » by **Stanford** » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:50 am

improper wrote:One of the basic tenets of wrestling that we've heard for decades now is that you go out on your back, not that you go out going over one of the company's biggest stars.

There are exceptions to every rule. The Undertaker is one. A cinematic match at Wrestlemania is another. It would have been such a bummer if AJ won and wouldn't have affected his standing either way.

I can't think of a more fitting ending for a character called the Undertaker than being buried alive.

That actually seems like the least fitting ending for this particular character called the Undertaker.

Scott Hall wrote:Say Undertaker is really retired...

Where do you guys rank him all-time? Is he Mount Rushmore? Top 10? Top 20?

For WWE? Tough. I wouldn't put him in the conversation for 1 but there's a real argument for 2.

Scott Hall · Post #1660 » by **Scott Hall** » Fri Jul 3, 2020 1:58 am

spykelee wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:Say Undertaker is really retired...

Where do you guys rank him all-time? Is he Mount Rushmore? Top 10? Top 20?
Def mt Rushmore for me. He's the greatest character ever created and as far as respect from their peers goes, there isnt anyone better. For me personally, I have hbk at the top of mt Rushmore, but taker is there with stone cold, Cena, rock and hogan/flair.. Probably at the back of that list but still on the mountain. Man this debate is impossible really.. Even to just pick 5 is so hard but yea I think taker belongs on Rushmore.. I lost respect for him every Match he came back and wrestled after he laid his boots and coat down.

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Yeah it's a hard list to make especially factoring in every possible measure there's the business/drawing part of it
then there's the wrestling logic part of it. Also hard for a lot of people to be completely objective and not be biased
or rank their personal favs higher.

Yeah Taker coming back after his retirement was kinda bush league funny how the documentary doesn't mention Saudi
Arabia offering him crazy money to come back quickly.

improper wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:Say Undertaker is really retired...

Where do you guys rank him all-time? Is he Mount Rushmore? Top 10? Top 20?

I'd say top ten. His late-career stink bombs kind of take away from his legacy a bit for me. He should have hung up the boots when Brock beat him, or put over Bray the next year and then walked away.

Just wish he would have put someone over on the way out like basically every one of his peers did.

I was one of those people that was glad when the streak was over. I thought it was getting played out and predictable
and started to take away from Wrestlemania a bit. It was like defending the streak once a year from this old guy was
more important then guys in their prime going for the tittle. Same thing with HHH having his big once a year match
at WM. I don't mind it once in awhile but it was getting stale every year.

Still gotta give Taker his due he's in a lot of the best matches in history and while a lot of them may be gimmick matches
that doesn't guarantee that the match will always be a classic. I think one thing that hurts Taker is from when he started
in the Golden Era all the way to the Pandemic Era he was never a top 3 guy. With that said he still had some drawing power
and a huge following in Saudi Arabia and maybe parts of Europe.

As for not putting anyone over on the way out usually I'd agree but under these circumstances I don't think it's a big deal
I don't think AJ Styles would benefit anymore if he won. The Fiend ending Taker once and for all would be cool but I don't
think Vince is as high on Wyatt as we think.