Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0

[mojo13]

Beal pulled out as well.

Zion Williamson as well - reason given is that the Pels want him to "fully integrate" into the organization prior to the season. More support for those of us who say none of the Canadian rooks will play.

[mojo13]

I always find little nuggets like this fascinating - check out this link for the FIBA WC Rosters on the FIBA WC website. Its is hidden and hard to get to, but here is a page for RJ Barrett and you can see the other guys from the drop down menu (other players).
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/player/RJ-Barrett

So why are certain guys listed and others not? There is always tidbits of info out there that teams are supposed to get a official player pool lists into FIBA well ahead of time and they can only cut the final 12 roster down based on these guys. I have no word of this is true for this World Cup, but have heard something like this in other tournaments.

This drop down list includes:

Kyle Alexander
Best
Barrett
Brooks
Birch
Boucher
Brissett
Dort
Ejim
SGA
Heslip
CoJo
Aj Lawson
Murray
Nembhard
Olynyk
Pangos
Addison Patterson
Powell
Pangos
P Scrubb
T Scubb
Wigginton
Wiltjer


24 guys (round number that seems a logical number preliminary cut off list)). Missing here is Thompson (no surprise), Stauskas, Lyles, Clarke, Kabengele, Doornekamp, Shayok, Long, Rautins.

It probably means nothing - but it is interesting enough to point out as a possible Easter Egg. Missing Lyles and Stauskas isnt ideal (but unsuprising considering Nik's FA status and Lyles lack of recent history/Rich Paul) - but they are deeper bench guys and not a huge loss if we have all the rest of the guys listed above.

A team of
CoJo, SGA, Pangos
Murray, Brooks, Barrett
Olynyk, Birch, Powell, Boucher, Ejim

And one of P Scrubb, T Scubb, Wiltjer or Heslip would be pretty darn exciting.

Again - maybe nothing, but fun gossip material.


Edit: I did try to check other countries. Australia had 18 listed (including Simmons) the USA had 12 listed (including Davis, Beal and CJ). Perhaps these are just already built profile pages just to get ahead of things and are meaningless. But....

Edit 2: Tobias Harris withdraws - Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown added to list. This is getting comical.

[WellYouKnow]

There's a report from Vardon that Love and Lillard haven't given the U.S. any indication that they're playing either.

[WellYouKnow]

I always find little nuggets like this fascinating - check out this link for the FIBA WC Rosters on the FIBA WC website. Its is hidden and hard to get to, but here is a page for RJ Barrett and you can see the other guys from the drop down menu (other players).
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/player/RJ-Barrett

So why are certain guys listed and others not? There is always tidbits out their that teams have to get a official player pool in to FIBA well ahead of time and they can only cut the final 12 roster down based on these guys. I have no word of this is true for this World Cup, but have heard something like this in other tournaments.

This drop down list includes:

Kyle Alexander
Best
Barrett
Brooks
Birch
Boucher
Brissett
Dort
Ejim
SGA
Heslip
CoJo
Aj Lawson
Murray
Nembhard
Olynyk
Pangos
Addison Patterson
Powell
Pangos
P Scrubb
T Scubb
Wigginton
Wiltjer


24 guys (round number that seems a logical number preliminary cut off list)). Missing here is Thompson (no surprise), Stauskas, Lyles, Clarke, Kabengele, Doornekamp, Shayok, Long, Rautins.

It probably means nothing - but it is interesting enough to point out as a possible Easter Egg. Missing Lyles and Stauskas isnt ideal - but they are deeper bench guys if we have all the rest of the guys listed above.

A team of
CoJo, SGA, Pangos
Murray, Brooks, Barrett
Olynyk, Birch, Powell, Boucher, Ejim

And one of P Scrubb, T Scubb, Wiltjer or Heslip would be pretty darn exciting.

Again - maybe nothing, but fun gossip material.


Edit: I did try to check other countries. Australia had 18 listed (including Simmons) the USA had 12 listed (including Davis, Beal and CJ). Perhaps these are just already built profile pages just to get ahead of things and are meaningless. But....

Edit 2: Tobias Harris withdraws - Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown added to list. This is getting comical.

I remember before the 2017 Americup they had Murphy Burnatowski and a few other names you wouldn't have picked listed well before Canada announced any training camp invites. So maybe there's some smoke there

[And1Skip]

Read on Twitter

That means of the Raptors coaching staff, Nurse, Bjorkgren, Scariolo and their video coordinator Goodwillie will be all duing WC dutities in August at September. Hope the coaching staff has enough time afterwards to prep for the season.

[Cross-over]

I always find little nuggets like this fascinating - check out this link for the FIBA WC Rosters on the FIBA WC website. Its is hidden and hard to get to, but here is a page for RJ Barrett and you can see the other guys from the drop down menu (other players).
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/player/RJ-Barrett

So why are certain guys listed and others not? There is always tidbits out their that teams have to get a official player pool in to FIBA well ahead of time and they can only cut the final 12 roster down based on these guys. I have no word of this is true for this World Cup, but have heard something like this in other tournaments.

This drop down list includes:

Kyle Alexander
Best
Barrett
Brooks
Birch
Boucher
Brissett
Dort
Ejim
SGA
Heslip
CoJo
Aj Lawson
Murray
Nembhard
Olynyk
Pangos
Addison Patterson
Powell
Pangos
P Scrubb
T Scubb
Wigginton
Wiltjer


24 guys (round number that seems a logical number preliminary cut off list)). Missing here is Thompson (no surprise), Stauskas, Lyles, Clarke, Kabengele, Doornekamp, Shayok, Long, Rautins.

It probably means nothing - but it is interesting enough to point out as a possible Easter Egg. Missing Lyles and Stauskas isnt ideal - but they are deeper bench guys if we have all the rest of the guys listed above.

A team of
CoJo, SGA, Pangos
Murray, Brooks, Barrett
Olynyk, Birch, Powell, Boucher, Ejim

And one of P Scrubb, T Scubb, Wiltjer or Heslip would be pretty darn exciting.

Again - maybe nothing, but fun gossip material.


Edit: I did try to check other countries. Australia had 18 listed (including Simmons) the USA had 12 listed (including Davis, Beal and CJ). Perhaps these are just already built profile pages just to get ahead of things and are meaningless. But....

Edit 2: Tobias Harris withdraws - Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown added to list. This is getting comical.

I remember before the 2017 Americup they had Murphy Burnatowski and a few other names you wouldn't have picked listed well before Canada announced any training camp invites. So maybe there's some smoke there

Don't you be dissing my man Murph from Sir John A

[Double Helix]

I was a little worried that the Thompson announcement would inspire others to also say they weren’t going to be there but so far so good.

[frumble]

I always find little nuggets like this fascinating - check out this link for the FIBA WC Rosters on the FIBA WC website. Its is hidden and hard to get to, but here is a page for RJ Barrett and you can see the other guys from the drop down menu (other players).
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/player/RJ-Barrett

Thanks. I had been checking the FIBA site for something like this, but hadn't found it.
As we have discussed re past tournaments and hidden roster lists like this one, not sure how much to read into it.
Seems odd to waste one of the 24 spots on guys who pretty much 100% would not be able to play (e.g., Nembhard, Patterson, and Laawson (who will be in school) and Wigginton (who as this point just isn't nearly good enough)).

Still, there might be something to it.

A team of
CoJo, SGA, Pangos
Murray, Brooks, Barrett
Olynyk, Birch, Powell, Boucher, Ejim

And one of P Scrubb, T Scubb, Wiltjer or Heslip would be pretty darn exciting.

Again - maybe nothing, but fun gossip material.

Yeah, I would be more than happy with that team. We can handle missing Thompson and Lyles (if he indeed is not on the roster).
Stauskas' absence would hurt the most.
I'd take P. Scrubb as the 12th if the first 11 are as you listed.

I was a little worried that the Thompson announcement would inspire others to also say they weren’t going to be there but so far so good.

Yeah, I guess every day with no announcement of a drop out is good. But I won't really count on some of these guys until camp is actually underway or even until the team is announced.

[WellYouKnow]

Lillard and Derozan turned down the US team as well.

[Bruin]

At this rate, the Gold medal window gets wider and wider. I hope we don’t have any more guys drop out. We could actually potentially push for the title

[King of Canada]

I'm super excited for FIBA to start. It makes the offseason so much shorter.

[WellYouKnow]

Fiba had a draw for the Americup today

Not sure if this is a qualifier for that event. That's how they worded it but i don't really understand

Anyways the group's not too bad for us

[mojo13]

Fiba had a draw for the Americup today

Not sure if this is a qualifier for that event. That's how they worded it but i don't really understand

Anyways the group's not too bad for us

i saw that too and really don't understand it.

It seems like it is a home and home Qualifier for the AmeriCup. I don't know the details but on first impression that seem ludicrous. To expect NTs to marshal players from around the world in-season to Qualify for the AmeriCup which is a meaningless tournament nowadays (oh...I am sure it will count for FIBA ranking points though). FIBA must have gotten a good cut from gate receipts, licence fees etc. from the FIBA WC Qualifiers for them to try to do this for the AmeriCup qualification. I mean countries like USVI are likely going to field amateur teams. I assume we'd just put a NBL All star /905 team together or something - Carl English/Murphy Burnatowski NT reunion?

I can't find much details online about this but seems crazy.

[frumble]

Fiba had a draw for the Americup today

Not sure if this is a qualifier for that event. That's how they worded it but i don't really understand

Anyways the group's not too bad for us

AmeriCup is no longer part of the qualifying process, so its lost a lot of its importance.
I suspect we will send C-level players to the qualifiers and B-level players to the AmeriCup itself.

At the 2017 AmeriCup (the first time the tournament had no implications for qualifying for Worlds) our team was led by Nicholson, Heslip, XRM, Hanlan, and Pierre, and also had Burnatowski, Glaze, Diressa, Amardi, Cadougan, Anthony, and Anderson. We finished 8th (1-2, including a loss to the Virgin Islands).

[Hair Canada]

I think that's exactly what it is. Works the same in Europe and in the Americas. In Europe, from what I gathered, things look very similar -- each team is in a group with 3 others. The top 3 qualify for the 2021 championship. And given that there's almost always a very weak team in the group, the stakes don't seem that high. If I remember correctly from what I saw for Europe, there will be three windows (two games in each) -- Feb 2020, Nov 2020, and Feb 2021.

And yes, this is absolute madness and a complete waste of time, energy, and maybe also money. But hey, this is FIBA. Did you expect anything else?

[Hair Canada]

Seems to be one major difference between Europe and the Americas though: In Europe, they take this tournament very seriously. One might argue that it is considered just as (or almost as) important as the WC. And probably even more so now that it's every 4 years. Something like the Copa Americas in Soccer. I don't think it would matter to anyone there whether it's a qualifying tournament or not.

[steadysoul]

I think that's exactly what it is. Works the same in Europe and in the Americas. In Europe, from what I gathered, things look very similar -- each team is in a group with 3 others. The top 3 qualify for the 2021 championship. And given that there's almost always a very weak team in the group, the stakes don't seem that high. If I remember correctly from what I saw for Europe, there will be three windows (two games in each) -- Feb 2020, Nov 2020, and Feb 2021.

And yes, this is absolute madness and a complete waste of time, energy, and maybe also money. But hey, this is FIBA. Did you expect anything else?

They're not part of the qualifiers but you can't skip them and they do count towards rankings.

[mojo13]

If anyone wants a really good overview of the possible Team Canada, two of the better Canadian bball writers have done a great job here (Blake Murphy and Eric Koreen).
https://theathletic.com/1087638/2019/07/24/raptors-reasonablists-volume-iv-part-i-selecting-a-world-cup-roster-for-canada-basketball/

Not too much to disagree with.

[mojo13]

Also Kyle Wiltjer is gone from Unicaja (ACB / EuroCup) and off to Turk Telecom (TBL / FIBA Champions League)
This seems like a bit of a step down and further highlights Wiltjer's limitations.

Seeing some rumors of Nik Stauskas and Real Madrid but nothing concrete.



Edit: also seeing strong rumors of Melvin Ejim to Unicaja (effectively replacing Wiltjer).

[Hair Canada]

If anyone wants a really good overview of the possible Team Canada, two of the better Canadian bball writers have done a great job here (Blake Murphy and Eric Koreen).
https://theathletic.com/1087638/2019/07/24/raptors-reasonablists-volume-iv-part-i-selecting-a-world-cup-roster-for-canada-basketball/

Not too much to disagree with.

Yes, a pretty level-headed piece by people who know their trade, unlike many in the Canadian mainstream media. In terms of minor disagreements, I would take either Boucher or Clarke before Wiltjer. He's just such a liability defensively and if all these come we have more than enough firepower. Would also want to see both Barrett and Stauskas on the team, mainly because of the wing situation and the questions regarding Brooks.