2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[Mecca]

Wrote some words on LaMelo. A lot of video analysis packed on here as well. I'm no SKPearlman. That dude a different beast, but I broke down what I like/don't like and used some videos to back it up.


If anyone has any thoughts, def lmk.

https://link.medium.com/pnMgVfGpG6

[robillionaire]

Wrote some words on LaMelo. A lot of video analysis packed on here as well. I'm no SKPearlman. That dude a different beast, but I broke down what I like/don't like and used some videos to back it up.


If anyone has any thoughts, def lmk.

https://link.medium.com/pnMgVfGpG6

don't be so hard on yourself you did a good job, really good article, hope to see a lot more of this

[Mecca]

Wrote some words on LaMelo. A lot of video analysis packed on here as well. I'm no SKPearlman. That dude a different beast, but I broke down what I like/don't like and used some videos to back it up.


If anyone has any thoughts, def lmk.

https://link.medium.com/pnMgVfGpG6

don't be so hard on yourself you did a good job, really good article, hope to see a lot more of this

Thank you man. I appreciate that immensely. Cole, Haliburton and Maxey are next

[knickstape4ever]

Looks like NBA might cut it to a 70 game season, so we'd have 4 games remaining. If so, gotta play the young players big minutes. Only 1.5 games separate us from the 2nd worst record (increasing the odds of top 4 by 14.9%)

[HerSports85]

I’m over this! I just want to know where we’re picking

[WargamesX]

Looks like NBA might cut it to a 70 game season, so we'd have 4 games remaining. If so, gotta play the young players big minutes. Only 1.5 games separate us from the 2nd worst record (increasing the odds of top 4 by 14.9%)

If they force it yeah, Just play the youth And see what they can do.

[robillionaire]

is the NBA really going to force a bunch of tanking teams to go through a month of training camp just to come in and try to tank 4 whole games during a pandemic

[smw6230]

is the NBA really going to force a bunch of tanking teams to go through a month of training camp just to come in and try to tank 4 whole games during a pandemic

Yes!

On a serious note I don't think fans realize how money works in sports. There is too much contractual money out there for leagues and players to forgo (ie. PAY BACK).

Also nature, and rival professional leagues, abhor a vacuum.

Say the NBA cancelled next season or pushed it back into January.

Christmas day is open and the NFL will put games on that day. They won't hesitate. Once that happens the NBA won't be able to force the NFL out of that day EVER again. I can't begin to tell you how that single decision would cascade down to players and owner financially.

College football? The NFL has asked the NCAA what their plans are for fall 2020. The NCAA hasn't formally responded but the NFL has said that if the NCAA isn't going to play on Fri & Saturdays they'll play.

So the NCAA has the NFL sniffing around and they own the networks hundreds of millions.

Its no surprise that the NFL was really the league that forced everyone back. Once made it clear that they were playing everyone else fell in line lest they get trampled under foot.

[knickstape4ever]

is the NBA really going to force a bunch of tanking teams to go through a month of training camp just to come in and try to tank 4 whole games during a pandemic

I think they kinda have to just to make it so that every team plays an equal # of games; I'm all for 4 more games to improve our lottery odds. tho knowing our luck, we'd get better lottery odds only to see the 6th worst record get a better pick

[god shammgod]

is the NBA really going to force a bunch of tanking teams to go through a month of training camp just to come in and try to tank 4 whole games during a pandemic

they have to play 70 games for the regional tv network money

According to The Athletic's Sam Amick, approximately $900 million in television revenue would be lost if the NBA canceled the playoffs. That does not include the revenue that will be lost from local television deals if the regular season does not resume. Regional sports networks are owed at least 70 games in those deals, and most teams are currently in the mid-60s.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-would-lose-approximately-900-million-in-television-revenue-without-playoffs-report-says/

[robillionaire]

so it's all just a farce to save them money.

send the g-league

[Deeeez Knicks]

Tank is back on!

[Richard4444]

is the NBA really going to force a bunch of tanking teams to go through a month of training camp just to come in and try to tank 4 whole games during a pandemic

I think they kinda have to just to make it so that every team plays an equal # of games; I'm all for 4 more games to improve our lottery odds. tho knowing our luck, we'd get better lottery odds only to see the 6th worst record get a better pick

2 of our 4 next games are Charlotte and GSW. I dont know if they will help us.

[HarthorneWingo]

I don’t know if I can find the intestinal fortitude to watch Julius Randle play again.

[robillionaire]

we will go 4-0 putting us in 9th and then fall to 13th after 10, 11, 12 and 13 all jump us in the lotto

[WargamesX]

so it's all just a farce to save them money.

send the g-league

That’s where they’ll be filling out rosters for players who refuse to go and if anyone gets sick......

[VirginiaKnickFan]

we will go 4-0 putting us in 9th and then fall to 13th after 10, 11, 12 and 13 all jump us in the lotto

That's the usual Knicks way. Unless someone can reverse the Knicks horrid lottery spell cast on New York since winning the Ewing lottery, I don't expect anything different.

[Zenzibar]

Deni's team didn't even really let him play in Euroleague. He only averaged 14 mins per game and shot 43/27/56 slashes. His 14 mpg makes him the 12th man on the roster. I think it really says something that his team didn't trust him when the games actually mattered.

All his good games were in the Israeli league and back in 2017 Fran Raschilla ranks it 13th best league in the world. People have been knocking the knocking the league LaMelo was in and this one is ranked even lower than the NBL.

At least Hayes played in Eurocup, which is the third best league in the world and got to play major minutes. He was on the worst team in the league, but he was their best player and played his best ball as the competition got tougher. I just see that translating way more than some guy that couldn't get on the court when it mattered.

I don't like to comment here, usually more liking to just read the comments here, pretty entertaining, but I feel I must respond to this message and explain in extended way the whole situation with Deni. He didn't get much minutes in the EuroLeague at the starting of the year. But he made a big progress trough out the year. You need to understand that in the Euroleague, especially in a contender team like Maccabi Tel Aviv, nobody cares about your talent. Nobody cares if you're more talented than Tyler Dorsey or not, and he's much more talented. No hate to Dorsey. The coaches have so much pressure to win now that they have zero patience for mistakes or about developing a player, and they would play him just if he's ready to contribute to win now, in the Euroleague. It's a league of experiences players.

It was his first full year in the Euroleague. Last year he still was playing for the youth team and though he played some senior games, this year was his first full year in the Euroleague. Why I'm doing all this introduction? to explain that it took him time to adjust. The last 7 games gives a better image of where he is now rather than the entire year stats, due to the circumstances and the adjustment required. In the last 7 games he already averages 20mpg, 7.5ppg, being arguably the best defender in the team and having the best plus minus in the entire team in this games stretch, which shows he should've got even higher minutes than he got. Everybody who follows international basketball and understand the dynamic of Euroleague basketball would tell you what he has shown in these last 7 games is a high level production for 19 years old on his first full season. And he's going to only get better and better.

Again, In these 7 games Maccabi have a 5-2 winning record in the Euroleague, which means, he's a legit contributor to winning with 20 minutes per game, averaging 7.5ppg with limited touches on the ball while he's the best version of himself the more he touch the ball, and while he's having the best plus minus in the entire team which makes his positive impact undeniable. As someone who watched all these games, his numbers are misleading and could be much higher if his coach was rely the offense more on him. He has that talent. When he got the ball with his size and his underrated quickness he looked like someone who can pretty easily blow by his Euroleague defenders or take the smaller ones to the post. He's not experienced yet, and because the offense was rely on the more experienced players, by nature the numbers wasn't impressive, and that's why it's so important to understand the story behind the cold numbers and not based your opinion just on that.

If you think LaMelo for example could successfully make a jump from playing in the worst team in the NBL to playing for a top 5 Euroleague team, with his weak shooting percentages and with the low level of defense he has shown, you have no idea how much you're wrong. Maccabi Tel Aviv was the best defensive team in the Euroleague this season. With the level of defense LaMelo has shown in the NBL and with his shooting percentages, I have hard time seeing how he would even get minutes there. Again, those teams doesn't care how a good passer or a good talent you are, if you are not efficient, and usually young players aren't, you will not see playing time. If you think Hayes, who played for the worst team in the EuroCup, with no pressure to win (1-9 losing record), and when his system have much more patience for his mistakes because the lower expectations, could successfully play for Maccabi Tel Aviv, you have no idea how much you're wrong. And I'm telling that as someone who watched 5 full games of Hayes and tons of highlights. With his inability to drive to the rim, with his shaky ball handling and with his below average burst, even against the below average athletes he faces in the EuroCup, I don't think he would even get any playing time in Maccabi Tel Aviv. And if he asked to massively increase his playing level, would he be able to do that? would he be able to face that pressure when other good European players can get his minutes and throw him to the bench for a few games in a raw if he have a bad game? how would he react to that? how his confidence will be affected by that? last year he played for one of the worst teams in France and yet couldn't produce. The situation is matter so much more than the numbers.

Fran Raschilla's 2017 ranking is irrelevant to this year. This year the German teams are garbage in their European competitions. Bayern Munich is ranked 15'th in the Euroleague (out of 18), Alba Berlin is ranked 17'th. Ulm was the worst team in the entire EuroCup (Israeli maccabi rishon lezion was ranked slightly ahead of them in this group), and Vechta, another German team who is ranked 6th in the German league, was ranked in the champions league group stage at 5'th, with a 6-8 losing record (Israeli Hapoel Jerusalem was ranked 1'th in this group with a 11-3 winning record).

The Israeli league and the German league are more or less at the same level this year. And even let's say the German league is slightly better, which we can't really prove, the margin is too small to consider one league as 'not bad' and the other as 'bad'.

The level gap between the Euroleague and the EuroCup is big. How big? last year the two best EuroCup teams were Valencia and Alba Berlin. This year they moved to the Euroleague. Valencia ended up in the 10'th place in the Eurpleague, with a 12-16 losing record (tied with the 13'th place) and Alba Berlin ended up in the 16th place, with a 9-19 losing record. And I'm talking about the two best teams in the EuroCup. Now imagine the gap between the worst team in the EuroCup and Maccabi Tel Aviv (ranked 5'th in the Euroleague, tied with 4'th).

So to end that, same as in the Euroleague, Deni made a clear progress in the domestic league as well. In his last 8 games he already the main contributor of the team, averaging 30mpg, 16.6ppg and 6reb and having the best plus minus on the entire team. The team having a 6-2 winning record in this games stretch. As someone who watched him, these numbers representing his current level more than the entire year stats, considering he was in his first senior year and needed to adjust. And seriously the numbers are still the most misleading thing about him because he touch the ball much less than the typical college star. Or unlike Hayes who touch the ball all the time due to an easier situation as I explained earlier.

Hope I helped with some info.

This is great and definitely helps paint a better picture. Post here more often! Europe is usually more difficult to scout for most Americans since there’s so many different leagues and they have the junior conferences too. From my understanding the Israeli league is really too heavy Maccabi and the Jerusalem are the only ones with serious cash to put together good squads.
Did you watch any Real Madrid? What’s you’re feeling on that Bolasmo kid?

Enzo Gorlomi

[rajajackal]

Wrote some words on LaMelo. A lot of video analysis packed on here as well. I'm no SKPearlman. That dude a different beast, but I broke down what I like/don't like and used some videos to back it up.


If anyone has any thoughts, def lmk.

https://link.medium.com/pnMgVfGpG6

keep it coming, Mecca

[Deeeez Knicks]

Wrote some words on LaMelo. A lot of video analysis packed on here as well. I'm no SKPearlman. That dude a different beast, but I broke down what I like/don't like and used some videos to back it up.


If anyone has any thoughts, def lmk.

https://link.medium.com/pnMgVfGpG6

Great stuff man.
Would be nice if we can somehow end up with him.