Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[AirP.]

We only have the 2029 pick to offer up in trade along with the 15th pick after the pick is made but once the pick is made it's not as valuable as a future pick unless the team you are trading with absolutely loves that prospect. Cavs are going to try and recoup as many picks as possible and try not to take on any bad contracts while doing it. I don't see us in running here. We have some assets to trade but the looming teams around the NBA have a treasure trove full of draft assets to throw around.

I don’t think that picks will necessarily be the biggest factor for Clev.

Unless they are also gonna dump Garland Evens and or Allen.

Otherwise, seems reasonable for them to instead value talented players who are can solidify their roster around their core and hope that their young guys keep developing.

Cleveland really has to take a long look in the mirror at who they are and who they want to be, they took their swing, but it looks like it's now time to regroup and push forward.

1. With the move Boston made this last summer, this current Cleveland team has very little chance to get past Boston for the next few years future unless Mobly takes a leap.
2. Decide who to keep at center; Allen or Mobily, now toss in the fact that Mobley will be looking for a max extension this summer with 1 year left on his rookie deal. Cleveland shouldn't/can't pay 20+ mil for 2 centers.
3. Decide on one of the 2 smallish starting guards in Mitchell or Garland, both need the ball, and both need a bigger guard next to them who is at least solid defensively.

If I'm Cleveland, I try to keep Mitchell, but if he's not going to extend get assets, maybe use those assets and Allan to add another core player to build around him Garland and Mobley.

If LeBron wanted a Hollywood ending, Cleveland could trade Mitchell and Allen (adding 1 or 2 good vets and assets), LeBron signs for the MLE, they get his son with a pick in this year's draft and take a shot at getting back to the NBA Finals through the East.

[TroubleS0me]

just noticed Bam got NO Blocks in the playoffs

[Beenie]

While it may be weak you still don’t trade the 1st overall pick for a 28 year old role player.

Why exactly?

If Atl decides that they want to keep Trey and build around him, why not trade for a guy who’s in his athletic prime who is a switchable 3nD player

They don’t need somebody who is gonna be ball dominant playing next to Trey

Too much upside to trade for a role player. If you trade the 1st overall pick you better be getting an all star

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[MartyConlonJr]

While it may be weak you still don’t trade the 1st overall pick for a 28 year old role player.

Why exactly?

If Atl decides that they want to keep Trey and build around him, why not trade for a guy who’s in his athletic prime who is a switchable 3nD player

They don’t need somebody who is gonna be ball dominant playing next to Trey

Too much upside to trade for a role player. If you trade the 1st overall pick you better be getting an all star

Not saying you do or don't do the deal, but Mikal Bridges as a 'role player' is a little facetious.

The guy has not missed a game in his whole career after 8 seasons, plays both ends and averaged 26.1 ppg last year once he got to Brooklyn. Just dipped below 20 ppg this year with 19.6 ppg. He was 2nd in DPOY voting 2 seasons ago. He shoots 48.0/37.5/84.6 which is not too far from the elite 50/40/90 marker.

He has the ability to be an All-Star though has not made it yet, and 28-32 is a players prime, that he is just entering.

I think he is better than a 'role player', he is a legitimate 2nd option.

Having Mikal and Murray - great defenders - as wings alongside Trae might help offset his worst deficiency.

[IceColdCubano]

just noticed Bam got NO Blocks in the playoffs

Bam's a positional high IQ defender, never been about blocks with him, blocks require to be aggressively out of position that leads to offensive rebounding, foul calls, forces the refts to have to flip a coin in your favor even if the block looks good because he had a bad angle, also forces your team mates to have to cover for you being out of position if your caught on a fake. The results don't outway the stats, its much better to remain grounded, to put a hand in the face but not slap the ball out of their hands, force them into an uncomfortable shots, its why Bam has on most season one of the best FG% defending all positions. Once you foul someone that counts against you and removes the FG attempt even if it was miss. Bam is essentially playing the odds to his favor that says their increase odds he can box you out after a miss, and force you into a bad shot over blocking the ball and all the negatives it brings.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why exactly?

If Atl decides that they want to keep Trey and build around him, why not trade for a guy who’s in his athletic prime who is a switchable 3nD player

They don’t need somebody who is gonna be ball dominant playing next to Trey

Too much upside to trade for a role player. If you trade the 1st overall pick you better be getting an all star

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Yea that’s just not true

[3ammy3uck3ts]

just noticed Bam got NO Blocks in the playoffs

Meaningless stat

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why exactly?

If Atl decides that they want to keep Trey and build around him, why not trade for a guy who’s in his athletic prime who is a switchable 3nD player

They don’t need somebody who is gonna be ball dominant playing next to Trey

Too much upside to trade for a role player. If you trade the 1st overall pick you better be getting an all star

Not saying you do or don't do the deal, but Mikal Bridges as a 'role player' is a little facetious.

The guy has not missed a game in his whole career after 8 seasons, plays both ends and averaged 26.1 ppg last year once he got to Brooklyn. Just dipped below 20 ppg this year with 19.6 ppg. He was 2nd in DPOY voting 2 seasons ago. He shoots 48.0/37.5/84.6 which is not too far from the elite 50/40/90 marker.

He has the ability to be an All-Star though has not made it yet, and 28-32 is a players prime, that he is just entering.

I think he is better than a 'role player', he is a legitimate 2nd option.

Having Mikal and Murray - great defenders - as wings alongside Trae might help offset his worst deficiency.

DPOY voting is heavily flawed year after year. Small sample size when he got to Brooklyn last year putting up empty stats then and now missing the playoffs both seasons.

Hes a higher level role player but he’s a role player and he’s for damn sure not a 2nd option on a good team lol. If bridges is your 2nd option your a 1st round exit at best MAYBE 2nd depending on who’s first.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

IF Mitchell is going to sign his extension get that ish done quick so we can throw the full court press at Trae

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If the market is smaller for Trae and he’s going to cost less than Ingram that’s a straight up no brainer

[contract]

Thats an interesting stat. If you take the 30 teams and multiply them times 2 stars then Herro is at the back end of 2nd option salary and paid well for a 3rd option. What is the average salary for a 3rd option I wonder.

The problem with Herro as the 3rd option is that's not the way he plays. He's led this team in shots per game for 3 years running. He averaged 3 more shots per game than anyone else this season. He has a scorers mentality but he doesn't have the game to back it up.

Herro should be an upgraded version of Duncan Robinson, but he wants to be Steph Curry. And putting the ball in his hands just makes things worse.

That's more-so on our personnel and coaching staff. We really don't have anyone else that can get buckets. If we had, for example, a Donovan Mitchell, then Herro would not be leading the team in shot attempts.

That's no excuse at all. We don't have Donovan Mitchell and Jimmy doesn't average the 17.5 FGA that Herro does. Neither does Bam. There are guys who share the ball, and there are guys that want to be a superstar. Herro is the latter.

The idea that Herro has no choice but to shoot is silly. He has the same choice that everyone else does. He can keep the ball moving. And it's not like Herro is good at getting buckets or anything. He's just eager to shoot.

[contract]

He's definitely closer to a role player than a star. I still think he is like CJ McCollum, who is a good player, but is too inconsistent to be an all-star.

Miami could probably move Herro for Lavine or DeRozan, but both of those moves have serious downsides/risks. Outside of that, Miami would likely have to move Herro for some combination of role players.

I used to think he had a CJ ceiling but I’m not sure anymore. CJ is likely an all star at some point out East and peak CJ clears Herro so far pretty easily

Perhaps, but I'd just remind everyone that Herro plays on the one of the most pathetically run offenses in the league. It may be one of those cases, like with Glen Rice or Jamal Mashburn, where Herro goes to another team and his output goes up simply because he has a different role and more offensive freedom. That may not be the case, but I am just saying it is possible.

Unless Herro goes to an expansion team, no one is giving Herro more freedom. Herro was 31st in the NBA in FGA.

[TroubleS0me]

just noticed Bam got NO Blocks in the playoffs

Bam's a positional high IQ defender, never been about blocks with him, blocks require to be aggressively out of position that leads to offensive rebounding, foul calls, forces the refts to have to flip a coin in your favor even if the block looks good because he had a bad angle, also forces your team mates to have to cover for you being out of position if your caught on a fake. The results don't outway the stats, its much better to remain grounded, to put a hand in the face but not slap the ball out of their hands, force them into an uncomfortable shots, its why Bam has on most season one of the best FG% defending all positions. Once you foul someone that counts against you and removes the FG attempt even if it was miss. Bam is essentially playing the odds to his favor that says their increase odds he can box you out after a miss, and force you into a bad shot over blocking the ball and all the negatives it brings.

Yes I'm aware of this, what he does for us. I'm surprised it was just zero.

[marson]

I think we have a chance if we include Jaime or Jovic and Cavs would definitely young players coming in and picks.

Allen
Mobley
Jovic
Herro
Garland

or

Allen
Mobley
Jaquez
Herro
Garland

If I have to choose I'd keep Jaime and draft Da Silva for Jovic replacement
and no way we will trade both. I'd be surprised if Riley trades both.

[AirP.]

I used to think he had a CJ ceiling but I’m not sure anymore. CJ is likely an all star at some point out East and peak CJ clears Herro so far pretty easily

Perhaps, but I'd just remind everyone that Herro plays on the one of the most pathetically run offenses in the league. It may be one of those cases, like with Glen Rice or Jamal Mashburn, where Herro goes to another team and his output goes up simply because he has a different role and more offensive freedom. That may not be the case, but I am just saying it is possible.

Unless Herro goes to an expansion team, no one is giving Herro more freedom. Herro was 31st in the NBA in FGA.

It's a little worse than that, his rate of shots when playing was high enough at 18.8 FGA per36 to make him 20th overall in the NBA which is a higher rate than Jokic, KD, LeBron, Banchero, P.George, Kawhi, Lillard, Haliburton, Towns and so on, it's insane the amount of shots he put up. What I will say is that a good number of his shots were fine, he just takes some crazy low IQ shots multiple times per game like he's doing a heat check even if he's missed the previous 3 shots.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Maybe he really does sign and they deal Garland. They need to move Strus to the 2 spot and maybe deal Garland for Ingram if Mitchell is serious about signing.

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[Beenie]

Too much upside to trade for a role player. If you trade the 1st overall pick you better be getting an all star

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Yea that’s just not true

https://youtube.com/shorts/NL6UBrshlNU?si=taJxTJ_NT8-ci2Q4

[Rapaz]

You have no assets for Durant
No assets for Lillard
No assets for Trae
Mitchell is staying in Cleveland

All your roads lead back to Mama Gayle and her Golden Ticket.

BRING ME ALL YOUR ASSETS.*

BRING ME JOVIC.

BRING ME JAQUEZ.

BRING ME ROZIER.

BRING THEM TO ME.



*Don’t you dare bring me Tyler Herro

[SoFlaKingReal]

Somehow it'll be Pat Riley's fault if Mitchell re-signs with Cleveland lol