Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

Post #1661 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:34 am

Welp...

Thugger HBC wrote:Knicks regime is really eager to rid themselves of everything Phil, but at least they aren't gifting players away.

Frank isn't worth a 1st, but I'd bet a playoff team would probably off a mid 20's for him. Does OKC have theirs? he can learn from his ceiling….Andre Roberson.

He might be good for a late lotto in this draft.

ElMelo7 · Post #1662 » by **ElMelo7** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:34 am

If they resign mudiay im going to puke.

Strick · Post #1663 » by **Strick** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:37 am

Idk I honestly didn't think we would trade KP and then it went from wow this could be a legit rumor to that MF was gone like an hour later.

I do hope they keep on to Frank. I think he fits perfectly to the type of team Fizdale allegedly wants to build as far as defensive mentality (although Fizdale has shown to continuously out out the polar opposite of a "feared lineup" like he wanted/wants)

I really want to see him and DSJ on the court together.

Post #1664 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:47 am

“Don’t they have to see what they have first?” one NBA source said. “If he turns into a bust as a lottery pick, fine. But they do not know that yet.”

QFT

HEZI · Post #1665 » by **HEZI** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:52 am

There is no room for him in the rotation and if he is going to be a wing by default then might as well get a true 3\D wing that understands and knows how to play the position.

Post #1666 » by **Thugger HBC** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:52 am

I didn't need two seasons to know Frank isn't a pg, and that's really the issue. He isn't what he can defend.

BowlRips · Post #1667 » by **BowlRips** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:53 am

Knicks will obviously consider moving him for a first round pick. It’s not rocket science. They need to clear one of Knox/DSJ/Trier/Frank for 2 true max spots and maintain the MLE (can decline team option on Trier and give him the MLE but might want it for a vet)
I still think Frank can be a contributing player on a championship level team one day, would love to see it in New York

KnicksGadfly · Post #1668 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:54 am

Eh...Frank needs to be kept accountable too. Either he adapts or he doesn't. Get a three ball, and he's golden, and he's gonna get playing time. He has talent, and I think he would fit gloriously with the plan A scenario the Knicks have. But we're about to hit the point where we can't wait for him anymore.

drekwins · Post #1669 » by **drekwins** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:54 am

Thugger HBC wrote:Knicks regime is really eager to rid themselves of everything Phil, but at least they aren't gifting players away.

Frank isn't worth a 1st, but I'd bet a playoff team would probably off a mid 20's for him. Does OKC have theirs? he can learn from his ceiling….Andre Roberson.

Why wouldnt SA do that? Frank is a net positive AS IS. If he develops any form of an offensive game, he becomes very valuable...

Post #1670 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:55 am

Thugger HBC wrote:I didn't need two seasons to know Frank isn't a pg, and that's really the issue. He isn't what he can defend.

Smith wanting to play with him says it all to me. If they give him extended run alongside Smith and it doesn't show promise, fine. No reason not to explore that.

drekwins · Post #1671 » by **drekwins** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:55 am

if we get rid of Frank without giving him a real shot like Knox is receiving, I don't want to hear Fizdale talk about defense ever again.

god shammgod · Post #1672 » by **god shammgod** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:56 am

the signs were there all year that they didn't love frank.....the signs are also there that they like mudiay. my question is, can we kill the sign maker ?

Post #1673 » by **GONYK** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 2:59 am

god shammgod wrote:the signs were there all year that they didn't love frank.....the signs are also there that they like mudiay. my question is, can we kill the sign maker ?

Kinda says more about the evaluators than the players

Post #1674 » by **Thugger HBC** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 3:01 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:I didn't need two seasons to know Frank isn't a pg, and that's really the issue. He isn't what he can defend.

Smith wanting to play with him says it all to me. If they give him extended run alongside Smith and it doesn't show promise, fine. No reason not to explore that.

Smith talking like a teammate and a friend, cool words, but matters none.

Frank gotta get on the court. I would like to see them play together if they are both here, not sure about extended minutes.

Dotson imo if the better fit, he provides defense and timely outside shooting. He's doing the role already.

Post #1675 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 3:01 am

Frank / Dotson / Mitch in 232 min together have a +8.9 net rating. What if you throw DSJ in there with them and see what happens? Wouldn't that be a wild idea?

drekwins · Post #1676 » by **drekwins** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 3:01 am

GONYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:the signs were there all year that they didn't love frank.....the signs are also there that they like mudiay. my question is, can we kill the sign maker ?

Kinda says more about the evaluators than the players

Agreed. Also, how is it that everyone else has a chance to develop but Frank doesn't? Even as 2.. .what's he missing from being REALLY good? Just like everyone else on the damn roster, he needs to develop a consistent jump shot and gain a better "feel." I don't get how he is so much different than Mitch or DSJ... I also don't get how Knox can be seen as a better prospect with such limited defensive potential. Frank has shown elite skills on the D end and a workable jump shot. The kid needs time.

Post #1677 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 3:02 am

Thugger HBC wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:I didn't need two seasons to know Frank isn't a pg, and that's really the issue. He isn't what he can defend.

Smith wanting to play with him says it all to me. If they give him extended run alongside Smith and it doesn't show promise, fine. No reason not to explore that.

Smith talking like a teammate and a friend, cool words, but matters none.

Frank gotta get on the court. I would like to see them play together if they are both here, not sure about extended minutes.

Dotson imo if the better fit, he provides defense and timely outside shooting. He's doing the role already.

Edit - linking to my own post not working it seems.

Frank / Dotson / Mitch in 232 min together have a +8.9 net rating. What if you throw DSJ in there with them and see what happens? Wouldn't that be a wild idea?

HEZI · Post #1678 » by **HEZI** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 3:05 am

The two guys that took Frank's role are Dotson and Trier not Smith and Mudiay. Its really the emergence of Trier that has killed any future Frank might have had on the team. Backup 2 is probably his best role and Trier pretty much has that sealed up moving forward

god shammgod · Post #1679 » by **god shammgod** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 3:06 am

GONYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:the signs were there all year that they didn't love frank.....the signs are also there that they like mudiay. my question is, can we kill the sign maker ?

Kinda says more about the evaluators than the players

i'll be honest that frank has disappointed in year 2....but....a lot of our guys have and they all got much more of a look. knox has been terrible but rightfully they play him a lot anyway. the fact that frank doesn't seem to mean they're not really invested in developing him.

vallen · Post #1680 » by **vallen** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 3:12 am

Who needs a guy with long arms. :dontknow:

What should the Knicks approach be with Frank