Donovan Mitchell Thread #8 - We're pretty f@#$!n far from close, aren't we?!?!?!?!

[KnixtapeH20]

Your list is incomplete(League has 30 teams), incorrect(Mo Bamba really?) , inaccurate(full of non centers)and doesn't account for DEPTH...
In your world I bet Bill Russell would be a scrub because he couldn't outscore Vucevic.

Lmfao he actually thinks vucevic is a good player, more importantly a good center. He got embarrassed in the playoffs he couldn't defend anyone.

This guy hates Mitch almost as much as kermmit hates RJ...

Watch your mouth kid.
Vuc is easily better than Mitch . Mitch is unplayable . You think Mitch is walking double double , guys in this league actually average that and don’t pretend.

Mitch has a higher turnover % than his usage while not providing any scoring gravity or passing creation .
Oniy 1 assist per 100 possessions .
Oh and clogging the paint hurting all his teammates.

Bottom line is , everybody in this thread bashing RJ or Julius.
Get used to one of the actual worser players to get in on the action .
Cuz wtf you think this is?
We ain’t all here just playing fantasy land double double stat pretending.

Lmfao got u ight old man, I know u got a Mitch dart board behind ya door that u burn cigarette holes into every night so that's ur issue but it don't change the fact that u cherry pick like MF and disregard major points on why Mitch is an "8 n 8" center.

U clearly a stats old geezer so bet, just throw reasoning to the wind right?

Let's ignore Mitch has never had a point guard.
Let's ignore he's one of the best offensive rebounders in the NBA every season, 2nd last season.
Let's ignore the team NEVER looks for him, aside from the occasional, very occasional lobs. Some games he might get 2 max.
Let's ignore he's the ONLY player on the team that boxes out and let's his teammates secure the rebound... Gee I wonder if that effects his rebounding numbers... Hmmm

Don't let ya old head explode after reading this my ****

[WargamesX]

Anyhow can we not do a 9th thread for this?

Like lets just fall back and see if anything develops.

[duetta]

Honestly, after watching Jericho in the Summer League, he is coming on so fast that I wouldn't be surprised if he made Mitch redundant by the end of the season.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I am not really worrying about the passing, both seem capable of an outlet which is the only one that matters TO ME. Both guys are monsters in the middle for sure, both are capable of uncanny close-outs and just mere presence in the paint impacts many shots. I like Mitch's size over RWIII, neither has played with a real starting point guard so both have untapped offensive potential, but I have Mitch with the edge on the boards.

Size? Williams is effectively bigger than Mitch because he has a higher standing reach & bigger wingpsan, which is why he's so good in on ball defense. You have a player who has the mobility of a wing, with the length of a center. You can talk all this hyperbole with Mitch, with Williams we know he can play high pressure playoff games and close them out because he can make freethrows, that alone makes him better, he shot 89% from the line in the playoffs.

The defense isn't close, giving the edge to shot blocking is silly in a league where being able to guard on-ball is now more valuable from a big, and Williams is the absolute best at that.

You have to take scheme and personnel into account... Look, I and others have them close together in the rankings. You can prefer one to the other, but because YOU choose to rank one higher (who happens to be on a better team), you want to throw Mitch in a cellar when in reality he is what he is. He is a solid, average, NBA center at this young age with upside. If he wants to be a gym rat and develop some handle/guard skills or work more on his shot that would be awesome. 2 years ago there were clips of him draining 3's in practice (not a game, not a game). Maybe he improves? Maybe he winds up being taller Sam Dalembert. But using minutia to caste someone into a completely different class is silly. The only "all-star" type guys who are bigs on this list are Siakam, Embiid, KP, Bam. This taking into account Allen made the all-star as a reserve last year.

Your rankings are wrong if you think Mitchell is better than Williams, it's that simple. The 3 point shot stuff doesn't even register anymore, Rudy Gobert makes threes in practice, virtually all centers can do it, the reality is that he shot 49% from the line this season, nobody is letting him take threes. We don't even have to go much further than freethrows when it comes to Williams & Mitch, in a playoff setting a big who can't make freethrows will not see the floor in the 4th quarter of a close game, we know Williams can make freethrows and stay on the floor as a result.


You don't need to be an all-star to be better than Mitch, and in Rob's case you're trying to argue that Mitch who is a rim running defensive C, is better than the best defensive C in the league

[Juggynaut]

Honestly, after watching Jericho in the Summer League, he is coming on so fast that I wouldn't be surprised if he made Mitch redundant by the end of the season.

Chill, Jericho has potential but he hasn't even proven he's a good backup big yet. I'll give him 2 more years till he really blossoms as a player if he does.

[3toheadmelo]

Can’t wait for Brunson x Randle!

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[thebuzzardman]

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You're a:

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I watched that entire video.

It's shockingly fabulous!

[thebuzzardman]

I first compared him to Stackhouse when I started having a more critical view of his game.

But even that seems optimistic. Stack was always more efficient relative to league-average. A worse 3-point shooter, but a better slasher and shot creator from midrange.

Statistically*, RJ's closest comps at/around his age are Antoine Walker and Jamal Mashburn. Two other close comps that come up are Michael Beasley and Cliff Robinson. *Filtering usage, league-adjusted TS%, PPG, APG.

There aren't too many comps because players this inefficient aren't usually rewarded with a high usage. Walker, for whatever it's worth, did win a ring as a 3rd/4th option with Wade and Shaq. Yay. We only need Wade and Shaq.

RJ's new knickname: Anal Walburn

Jokes aside, RIP Cliff Robinson. He was a good player. All those guys were all-stars except for Beasley.

I get it, they aren’t superstars. But I would take a Cliff Robinson on my team anyday.

One of my favorite players back when .

[Snacks]

Can’t wait for Brunson x Randle!

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The problem is the play calling. I want high efficiency Randle in the paint. I want the New Orleans/LAL Julius with the 55% from the field. Pick and Roll every time with JB and take it hard to the hoop. Then, when he gets double tripled -- we know he can make the pass. Once in a while, when RJ or JB make the move into the paint, Randle can set his fee and make that open J -- now we're talking.

But if he starts that bull overdribbling dancing iso garbage, it's going to be a long season. --- and even if that works for stretches during the year, it won't work in the playoffs.

[Jimmit79]

Can’t wait for Brunson x Randle!

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Why wasn't RJ mentioned

[3toheadmelo]

Can’t wait for Brunson x Randle!

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The problem is the play calling. I want high efficiency Randle in the paint. I want the New Orleans/LAL Julius with the 55% from the field. Pick and Roll every time with JB and take it hard to the hoop. Then, when he gets double tripled -- we know he can make the pass. Once in a while, when RJ or JB make the move into the paint, Randle can set his fee and make that open J -- now we're talking.

But if he starts that bull overdribbling dancing iso garbage, it's going to be a long season. --- and even if that works for stretches during the year, it won't work in the playoffs.

Yeah I’m hoping we run pick and rolls for Randle and play him to his strengths. He was a really good pick and roll finisher on the Pelicans. With Brunson here I am hoping he can make things easier for Randle. If Thibs still plays Randle like he’s a bootleg Melo 95% of the time that would be pretty disappointing. You might as well trade Randle if that’s still the case.

[bearadonisdna]

Size? Williams is effectively bigger than Mitch because he has a higher standing reach & bigger wingpsan, which is why he's so good in on ball defense. You have a player who has the mobility of a wing, with the length of a center. You can talk all this hyperbole with Mitch, with Williams we know he can play high pressure playoff games and close them out because he can make freethrows, that alone makes him better, he shot 89% from the line in the playoffs.

The defense isn't close, giving the edge to shot blocking is silly in a league where being able to guard on-ball is now more valuable from a big, and Williams is the absolute best at that.

You have to take scheme and personnel into account... Look, I and others have them close together in the rankings. You can prefer one to the other, but because YOU choose to rank one higher (who happens to be on a better team), you want to throw Mitch in a cellar when in reality he is what he is. He is a solid, average, NBA center at this young age with upside. If he wants to be a gym rat and develop some handle/guard skills or work more on his shot that would be awesome. 2 years ago there were clips of him draining 3's in practice (not a game, not a game). Maybe he improves? Maybe he winds up being taller Sam Dalembert. But using minutia to caste someone into a completely different class is silly. The only "all-star" type guys who are bigs on this list are Siakam, Embiid, KP, Bam. This taking into account Allen made the all-star as a reserve last year.

Your rankings are wrong if you think Mitchell is better than Williams, it's that simple. The 3 point shot stuff doesn't even register anymore, Rudy Gobert makes threes in practice, virtually all centers can do it, the reality is that he shot 49% from the line this season, nobody is letting him take threes. We don't even have to go much further than freethrows when it comes to Williams & Mitch, in a playoff setting a big who can't make freethrows will not see the floor in the 4th quarter of a close game, we know Williams can make freethrows and stay on the floor as a result.


You don't need to be an all-star to be better than Mitch, and in Rob's case you're trying to argue that Mitch who is a rim running defensive C, is better than the best defensive C in the league

The case for RW3 is pretty clear cut.
5x more assist per game than Mitch.
More scoring volume on better TS%.
Double the BPM
Winning impact every year as a starter.
Double the DBPM

Mitch was literally our worst center in defensive box plus minus center for over half the year.

RW3 can actually be apart of a cohesive lineup that can actually win games . Mitch has only shown to be effective in lineups as a reserve .

[thebuzzardman]

You have to take scheme and personnel into account... Look, I and others have them close together in the rankings. You can prefer one to the other, but because YOU choose to rank one higher (who happens to be on a better team), you want to throw Mitch in a cellar when in reality he is what he is. He is a solid, average, NBA center at this young age with upside. If he wants to be a gym rat and develop some handle/guard skills or work more on his shot that would be awesome. 2 years ago there were clips of him draining 3's in practice (not a game, not a game). Maybe he improves? Maybe he winds up being taller Sam Dalembert. But using minutia to caste someone into a completely different class is silly. The only "all-star" type guys who are bigs on this list are Siakam, Embiid, KP, Bam. This taking into account Allen made the all-star as a reserve last year.

Your rankings are wrong if you think Mitchell is better than Williams, it's that simple. The 3 point shot stuff doesn't even register anymore, Rudy Gobert makes threes in practice, virtually all centers can do it, the reality is that he shot 49% from the line this season, nobody is letting him take threes. We don't even have to go much further than freethrows when it comes to Williams & Mitch, in a playoff setting a big who can't make freethrows will not see the floor in the 4th quarter of a close game, we know Williams can make freethrows and stay on the floor as a result.


You don't need to be an all-star to be better than Mitch, and in Rob's case you're trying to argue that Mitch who is a rim running defensive C, is better than the best defensive C in the league

The case for RW3 is pretty clear cut.
5x more assist per game than Mitch.
More scoring volume on better TS%.
Double the BPM
Winning impact every year as a starter.
Double the DBPM

Mitch was literally our worst center in defensive box plus minus center for over half the year.

RW3 can actually be apart of a cohesive lineup that can actually win games . Mitch has only shown to be effective in lineups as a reserve .

@Shams

[RHODEY]

My rank
1) Embiid
2) Bam
3) Siakam
4) KP
5)Turner
6)Allen
7)Mitch
8) Vuc
9) RWIII
10) BroPez/Portis
11) Capella
12) Claxton
13) Noel
14) Harrell
15) Bamba

I got Mitch in the middle.
How would you have rated Tyson Chandler in New Orleans?

I can't Tyson on New Orleans..I never watch their games....

Interesting list but I'm curious why you put Siakam and Turner over Allen.

Actually its shard for me to see Siakam as Center even though he may have played that position for the Raptors. But even if he was how can you place him so high?

Here's the Sporting New's list:

1. Nikola Jokic, Nuggets

2. Joel Embiid, 76ers

3. Karl-Anthony Towns, Timberwolves

4. Rudy Gobert, Jazz

5. Bam Adebayo, Heat

6. Nikola Vucevic, Bulls

7. Deandre Ayton, Suns

8. Clint Capela, Hawks

9. Myles Turner, Pacers

10. Jusuf Nurkic, Trail Blazers

11. Jonas Valanciunas, Pelicans

12. Christian Wood, Rockets

13. Jarrett Allen, Cavaliers

14. Brook Lopez, Bucks

15. Richaun Holmes, Kings

16. Ivica Zubac, Clippers

17. Mitchell Robinson, Knicks

18. Robert Williams III, Celtics

19. Steven Adams, Grizzlies

20. Jakob Poeltl, Spurs

I don't know if Siakam is playing C this year (as a starter) but if he is, I think he is a better player. He is able to dribble penetrate and create offense moreso than others on this list (because he is really a 4), he has range, can block shots and defend. Allen is very good at what he does and is a super-star at his role, but I just don't see his role as large enough to put him over guys who I feel make so much more of a difference on offense (though less on defense). Turner is a shade better for me because he is something of an Ibaka, but also has a few scoring moves that he can use to keep his own defender honest.

What about Towns, Ayton, and Gobert? Did you just forget them or do you really think they aren't top 15.

[KnicksGadfly]

Vuc ain’t that good. Empty stats. Hope the Bulls max him.

[Chanel Bomber]

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[Guano]

could someone close this bs thread. this is really the worst.

However bad this thread is I guarantee it isn't worse than the Breonna Taylor thread. Those threads are the worst. I'd rather read Chanels essays or the bulls fan trashing Mitch than some of the goons here hot take takes on social issues.

[bearadonisdna]

could someone close this bs thread. this is really the worst.

However bad this thread is I guarantee it isn't worse than the Breonna Taylor thread. Those threads are the worst. I'd rather read Chanels essays or the bulls fan trashing Mitch than some of the goons here hot take takes on social issues.

Haha cool take from a guy named bat crap .
Would rather read your postings too than delusional Mitch worship .

[bearadonisdna]

Like I feel if I wasn’t here and guys like me , Mitch would prolly be the king of New York .
Am glad to tell the truth .

Dolan curse mostly blamed for Knicks shortcomings.
But am thinking now it’s Maybe because he won’t or can’t transcend the fanbase .
If the fans had their way Mitch is their archetype of a good player and it’s really isn’t so .
Dolan failing is really just him falling in line with fan expectation.
A vicious circle of incompetence .