NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[Mavrelous]

After Luka's ridiculous performances in December he continues to slide down the MVP ladder and was beaten out by SGA for player of the month in the west. The league is taking his greatness for granted. It's like he's the toy the NBA and fans don't want to play with anymore, SGA is the shiny new thing. Even though Luka's younger (!!). We've seen Luka be ridiculously good for years now, we know he's a generational talent, so let's shut up about him already, right? But how about Shai!?

Luka IS the Mavs offense. And the Mavs simply >do not< win without him. You can't say that for all the guys ahead of him! He plays with a bad coach, and his next best players are Kyrie Irving, who's out half the season, and a rookie in Dereck Lively, who's also out a lot. The Mavs should not have a winning record. But they do, because they have the MVP!!! Hello!??

SGA is the more efficient scorer and better defender this season.

SGA defense and edge in efficiency doesn't close the gap in playmaking, load (due to heavy injuries) and Luka being by far the most doubled teamed player in the league.

[Baz]

After Luka's ridiculous performances in December he continues to slide down the MVP ladder and was beaten out by SGA for player of the month in the west. The league is taking his greatness for granted. It's like he's the toy the NBA and fans don't want to play with anymore, SGA is the shiny new thing. Even though Luka's younger (!!). We've seen Luka be ridiculously good for years now, we know he's a generational talent, so let's shut up about him already, right? But how about Shai!?

Luka IS the Mavs offense. And the Mavs simply >do not< win without him. You can't say that for all the guys ahead of him! He plays with a bad coach, and his next best players are Kyrie Irving, who's out half the season, and a rookie in Dereck Lively, who's also out a lot. The Mavs should not have a winning record. But they do, because they have the MVP!!! Hello!??

SGA is the more efficient scorer and better defender this season.

Don't burst my bubble, please.

I'm just caught up on the name of the award being, Most Valuable Player, you know.

[Baz]

After Luka's ridiculous performances in December he continues to slide down the MVP ladder and was beaten out by SGA for player of the month in the west. The league is taking his greatness for granted. It's like he's the toy the NBA and fans don't want to play with anymore, SGA is the shiny new thing. Even though Luka's younger (!!). We've seen Luka be ridiculously good for years now, we know he's a generational talent, so let's shut up about him already, right? But how about Shai!?

Luka IS the Mavs offense. And the Mavs simply >do not< win without him. You can't say that for all the guys ahead of him! He plays with a bad coach, and his next best players are Kyrie Irving, who's out half the season, and a rookie in Dereck Lively, who's also out a lot. The Mavs should not have a winning record. But they do, because they have the MVP!!! Hello!??

Luka finished the month with a whimper, 4th quarter collapse against Cavs 2nd unit and embarrassing performance against the Jazz on Jan 1st, it was enough to sway the vote IMO, especially given he missed 3 games in December.
Had he not lost the Cavs game, I think he would've won it.

He did yes. He can have those sorts of games. But I think we can allow it given his historic numbers and the fact that the Mavs are actually 20-12 while he's in the line-up. People also put a lot of stock in this thread with players playing well on TNT or ESPN games and Luka had one of the best Xmas day performances of all time. I'm just shocked that that game seemingly had no impact for anyone here. He created like 92 points in that game.

[Mavrelous]

After Luka's ridiculous performances in December he continues to slide down the MVP ladder and was beaten out by SGA for player of the month in the west. The league is taking his greatness for granted. It's like he's the toy the NBA and fans don't want to play with anymore, SGA is the shiny new thing. Even though Luka's younger (!!). We've seen Luka be ridiculously good for years now, we know he's a generational talent, so let's shut up about him already, right? But how about Shai!?

Luka IS the Mavs offense. And the Mavs simply >do not< win without him. You can't say that for all the guys ahead of him! He plays with a bad coach, and his next best players are Kyrie Irving, who's out half the season, and a rookie in Dereck Lively, who's also out a lot. The Mavs should not have a winning record. But they do, because they have the MVP!!! Hello!??

Luka finished the month with a whimper, 4th quarter collapse against Cavs 2nd unit and embarrassing performance against the Jazz on Jan 1st, it was enough to sway the vote IMO, especially given he missed 3 games in December.
Had he not lost the Cavs game, I think he would've won it.

He did yes. He can have those sorts of games. But I think we can allow it given his historic numbers and the fact that the Mavs are actually 20-12 while he's in the line-up. People also put a lot of stock in this thread with players playing well on TNT or ESPN games and Luka had one of the best Xmas day performances of all time. I'm just shocked that that game seemingly had no impact for anyone here. He created like 92 points in that game.

SGA had an amazing month, what Luka did should've been enough, but when SGA takes on the best teams in the league and destroys them one by one while putting up amazing numbers, Luka had very small margin of error, and he consumed it...

[zimpy27]

After Luka's ridiculous performances in December he continues to slide down the MVP ladder and was beaten out by SGA for player of the month in the west. The league is taking his greatness for granted. It's like he's the toy the NBA and fans don't want to play with anymore, SGA is the shiny new thing. Even though Luka's younger (!!). We've seen Luka be ridiculously good for years now, we know he's a generational talent, so let's shut up about him already, right? But how about Shai!?

Luka IS the Mavs offense. And the Mavs simply >do not< win without him. You can't say that for all the guys ahead of him! He plays with a bad coach, and his next best players are Kyrie Irving, who's out half the season, and a rookie in Dereck Lively, who's also out a lot. The Mavs should not have a winning record. But they do, because they have the MVP!!! Hello!??

SGA is the more efficient scorer and better defender this season.

Don't burst my bubble, please.

I'm just caught up on the name of the award being, Most Valuable Player, you know.

Yeah the award name is misleading..

"Most outstanding player on successful regular season team with memorable individual performances"

[Wolfgang630]

There is no narrative created by the media for Luka to win it. This thing is media driven also.

[p0peye]

There is no narrative created by the media for Luka to win it. This thing is media driven also.

Also? It is literally voted and decided by media members.

[Wolfgang630]

There is no narrative created by the media for Luka to win it. This thing is media driven also.

Also? It is literally voted and decided by media members.

Yeah I know that…?

[eyeatoma]

I have SGA right now, but the advantage is small.

Because it doesn't exist.

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only to you a player playing more games and bringing more wins does not provide more value.
Last year the team was winning at a higher rate, 11w-5l without their mvp, but hey, at the end they were a top seed team!!! This year missed games 76ers were losing, so mvp!!! ways to spin man

Wins aren't everything when it's marginal, it's not some astronomical numbers that Shai has over Embiid in the wins department. Embiid is more efficient, adding more blocks, points, and boards, and basically equal assists. What part of his statistical profile is worse? Steals, that's it...Even there, Embiid is averaging 1.2 spg.

Embiid currently is having one of the most statistically significant seasons in NBA history, yes better than SGA...

The most efficient season of all time, by a large margin

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Even Joker thinks he's amazing!

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Bill Simmons thinks he's better than Shaq this year if only counting the regular season...

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[Sgt Major]

He didn't say that and even the guy whose tweet you pasted here said it.

[eyeatoma]

He didn't say that and even the guy whose tweet you pasted here said it.

Joker? Fixed

[AleksandarN]

Because it doesn't exist.

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only to you a player playing more games and bringing more wins does not provide more value.
Last year the team was winning at a higher rate, 11w-5l without their mvp, but hey, at the end they were a top seed team!!! This year missed games 76ers were losing, so mvp!!! ways to spin man

Wins aren't everything when it's marginal, it's not some astronomical numbers that Shai has over Embiid in the wins department. Embiid is more efficient, adding more blocks, points, and boards, and basically equal assists. What part of his statistical profile is worse? Steals, that's it...Even there, Embiid is averaging 1.2 spg.

Embiid currently is having one of the most statistically significant seasons in NBA history, yes better than SGA...

The most efficient season of all time, by a large margin

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Even Joker thinks he's amazing!

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Bill Simmons thinks he's better than Shaq this year if only counting the regular season...

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Now advance stats matter ok. After you **** talk stats the last 3 years

[eyeatoma]

only to you a player playing more games and bringing more wins does not provide more value.
Last year the team was winning at a higher rate, 11w-5l without their mvp, but hey, at the end they were a top seed team!!! This year missed games 76ers were losing, so mvp!!! ways to spin man

Wins aren't everything when it's marginal, it's not some astronomical numbers that Shai has over Embiid in the wins department. Embiid is more efficient, adding more blocks, points, and boards, and basically equal assists. What part of his statistical profile is worse? Steals, that's it...Even there, Embiid is averaging 1.2 spg.

Embiid currently is having one of the most statistically significant seasons in NBA history, yes better than SGA...

The most efficient season of all time, by a large margin

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Even Joker thinks he's amazing!

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Bill Simmons thinks he's better than Shaq this year if only counting the regular season...

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Now advance stats matter ok. After you **** talk stats the last 3 years

Advanced stats are a component. (I never said they didn't matter, just said they were not the end all and be all, and the only thing that should be looked at). Not only does Embiid have the advanced stats, he has the raw stats too. He's also winning at an unprecedented rate when he plays.

[Cubbies2120]

He wins at an unprecedented rate because he sits out games against top teams. There’s certainly a couple losses sprinkled in there especially against a team like Boston which has his number year in, year out.

[eyeatoma]

He wins at an unprecedented rate because he sits out games against top teams. There’s certainly a couple losses sprinkled in there especially against a team like Boston which has his number year in, year out.

He has beaten the Celtics, the Wolves and the Thunder this year.

The top teams...

Also you can only beat the teams that are on your schedule, time will tell if he can continue on this run. He has also missed 7 games, so unless he is actually hurt, he won't miss many more games.

[CobraCommander]

On a night when 1a and 1b both go off - the board pretty quiet

I mean Jokic had a stat line that Embiid usually has through 3 quarters and struggled to put way an under .500 team.

Giannis barely beat the pitiful Spurs.

Neither game should have been close.

BUT when Embiid dominates bad teams so badly that he sits the entire 4th quarter, it's "let me know when he plays somebody."

Am I doing this thing right?

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Nope- but nice try-

This is actually how you do it.


Everyone feast on the weak- it’s what you are supposed to do. Beat down the weak.:. Punish them for being weak. Good job Giannis and Good Job Luka the other night in Portland. Great job to Jokic to come back from 21 in GS - with a significant push in the 4th to close it out on the floor of a 4 time champ 2 time MVP and FMVP.

But the truth is everyone struggles a little when they play against superior teams and we respect the guys like Giannis, Jokic and Luka when they play as well or better when the games matter even more… like Giannis when he got mad and dropped 64 on pacers and Luka gave book and KD 50? And how jokic was so pissed about losing out the MVP last year that he leveled up and won the FMVP?

Then for compare and contrast or juxtaposition for the sake of argument- Remember how Embiids numbers shrink significantly in the playoffs and he gets bounced - one year cries like a baby and the next says … what do I have to prove?

… that’s how you drop facts and destroy the other guys argument … even tho we only talking about the MVP this year…

good day sir

[Wolfgang630]

Getting tired of this “why didn’t they put up 40 like Embiid did against these teams??.” It’s like asking why didn’t Magic put up 40 against the teams MJ was putting up on. That’s not Jokers game. It’s Giannis’ game a little more, but even then these players are different and teams are built different.

[Cubbies2120]

Getting tired of this “why didn’t they put up 40 like Embiid did against these teams??. It’s like asking why didn’t Magic put up 40 against the teams MJ was putting up on. That’s not Jokers game. It’s Giannis’ game a little more, but even then these players are different and teams are built different.

Jokic drops 53 on the Suns during the semifinals of last year's playoffs. I'd argue he can, but he has one (regular season) weakness that annoys me: if his teammates struggle to score, he chooses to try to get them going.

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Interesting stat but pace of play dependent. The 3 guys at the top play on teams that score a ton and allow a ton.